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How about playing ripped BDs/HD DVDs from the network? Now that would be awesome.
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Got it. Thanks! Of course, this is another example of a point that was made in another thread ... that if the studios would just use uncompressed PCM audio when disk space allows, there'd be a lot fewer compatibility issues. Oh, well. No doubt a lost cause.

It's odd Sony dropped the PCM from the original release and put TrueHD on the Casino Royale SE.

Which doesn't make much sense when I'd imagine space isn't an issue and they already have PCM ready to go.

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What does "ABC capable" mean?

Even Fox seem to be dropping Region Coding. I've seen loads of Fox BDs with ABC on the rear. This used to be unheard of.

This is in Europe anyway.
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Just got off a live chat with LG and was told the firmware upgrade is going to be release any day now to fix the FYEO issue. So one item to be fixed, now only about 100 other items to go....
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Just got off a live chat with LG and was told the firmware upgrade is going to be release any day now to fix the FYEO issue. So one item to be fixed, now only about 100 other items to go....


I hope is true!!!
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Was only the FYEO bug fixed or is it the big release just with the FYEO fix?
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Right now I don't care anymore about BD Live. But I do want all the bugs fixed and AVCHD put back as was in April FW.

Agreed. As much as I've lamented LG dropping BD-Live, AVCHD is vastly more important. HD camcorders will only increase the need for AVCHD playback. Extremely discouraging that LG dropped AVCHD in the BH200 after the April firmware. Infuriating actually as it worked when our BH200 was purchased, and then pulled in the June firmware.

Samsungmaster, I'd appreciate if you could clarify whether AVCHD has a chance of returning. I'm not sure from your earlier response whether AVCHD is not returning, or just TheBuyer's request for AVCHD from USB. The former would be awful (to say the least), while the latter is completely understandable as we never had that feature. Thanks.
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Agreed. As much as I've lamented LG dropping BD-Live, AVCHD is vastly more important. HD camcorders will only increase the need for AVCHD playback. Extremely discouraging that LG dropped AVCHD in the BH200 after the April firmware. Infuriating actually as it worked when our BH200 was purchased, and then pulled in the June firmware.

With all prices dropping on Sony and Panasonic, I'm already saving to get one in few months, my guess for <150$... with official / posted support for AVCHD, BD2.0, + FW SUPPORT, etc.
I'll cut my losses and move on from LG, as I don't believe they'll put their act together when it comes to BD, especially given the major recession around the world; their corporate is obviously not interested in BluRay, but plasma, mobiles, etc.
If I'm wrong, is for the better.
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With all prices dropping on Sony and Panasonic, I'm already saving to get one in few months, my guess for <150$... with official / posted support for AVCHD, BD2.0, + FW SUPPORT, etc.
I'll cut my losses and move on from LG, as I don't believe they'll put their act together when it comes to BD, especially given the major recession around the world; their corporate is obviously not interested in BluRay, but plasma, mobiles, etc.
If I'm wrong, is for the better.

I still have hope that this company didn't screwed us and will do an update but
i'm starting thinking the same thing dropping completely the LG brand too
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any word if BD-r video will be put back on so video can be played from bd-r
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any word if BD-r video will be put back on so video can be played from bd-r

I was told it would not be put back in.

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With all prices dropping on Sony and Panasonic, I'm already saving to get one in few months, my guess for <150$... with official / posted support for AVCHD, BD2.0, + FW SUPPORT, etc.
I'll cut my losses and move on from LG, as I don't believe they'll put their act together when it comes to BD, especially given the major recession around the world; their corporate is obviously not interested in BluRay, but plasma, mobiles, etc.
If I'm wrong, is for the better.

Samsung (one of the worst Blu-ray manufacturers when it comes to reliability and updates) has gotten their act together. They have been releasing firmware updates almost monthly for ALL players, new and old. They even have a page indicating when the NEXT firmware update will be available Take that LG!! Definitely Samsung has been listening and trying to improve their reputation. LG has once again fallen behind their primary competitor, Samsung.

While other companies like Sony, Panasonic and Samsung take weeks to fix compatibility issues LG takes months, months!! How can this be?
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Samsung (one of the worst Blu-ray manufacturers when it comes to reliability and updates) has gotten their act together. They have been releasing firmware updates almost monthly for ALL players, new and old. They even have a page indicating when the NEXT firmware update will be available Take that LG!! Definitely Samsung has been listening and trying to improve their reputation. LG has once again fallen behind their primary competitor, Samsung.

While other companies like Sony, Panasonic and Samsung take weeks to fix compatibility issues LG takes months, months!! How can this be?

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not good enuf, even the original BD player from Sony (BDP-S300) gets regular updates!

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hehe...well, the 5000 hasn't seen an update in almost 2 months now. I'm hoping the next one comes before 6 months pass but I'm not holding my breath.
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I was told it would not be put back in.

Can we get even a faint hope of seeing BD-Live??
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Samsungmaster please let the powers that be know that this is not good enough!!!! Oh well I will speak with my $`s, and not buy LG products.

My BH-200 will serve its purpose and play my HD DVD, my next player and it will be soon will not be LG, for that matter this attitude probably is prevalent throughout LG, ergo good bye to further LG purchases of any kind and any product line. Put that in your hat a smoke it LG.....

Sorry for the rant but the comment that the much hated Sony has been provideing firmware updates for their original players, this is pathetic on LG`s part!!!!

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LG Blu-ray box to get CinemaNow

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LG ELECTRONICS said its latest range of networked Blu-Ray players will have video streaming features from CinemaNow and YouTube.

LG will be showing off the new gear at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) next week.

The hardware maker showed off its first network-connected Blu-ray player in July. It runs the beast with its chum Netflix and viewers get access to more than 12,000 movies and TV show.

Expanding the operation to CinemaNow will mean that buyers will gain access to 14,000 more movies and TV shows from CinemaNow. Web videos can be streamed directly from the Internet to an LG Network Blu-ray Player to be watched on telly.

A SpokesLG said that millions of U.S. consumers view and download movies or TV shows through the Internet already and this would make it easier to get a decent service.

Hey LG, how about supporting your existing players properly before attempting to add "big" features? no wonder LG hasn't spent any time in the last 6 months fixing existing issues!

If this coming "big" update doesn't make major forward steps in improving the BH200 and isnt followed up with ongoing support I'll NOT be buying another LG product ever again (or recommending them to friends or family)!

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Oh boy. True or not, that's a pretty weak excuse. If manpower is the issue, then that's a clear sign that LG doesn't intend to provide satisfactory after-sales support to the BH200 or any other product.

Why is every other BD manufacturer keeping their players current with frequent updates, yet LG leaves us out in the cold? There's just no excuse for it. All three of my Panasonic players (BD10A, BD30, BD35) continue to be well-supported. Just because the BH200 says "HD DVD" on it shouldn't make it a red-headed stepchild...it should still be able to play every BD that's released without issue given timely firmware updates.

Nice work LG. Way to burn your early adopters. IMO this "big update" that we keep hearing about is nothing but a pipe dream.
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The majority of the people in here complaining seem to of missed the obvious point here - the BH200 has been discontinued.. The fact that LG is providing any support at all for the hardware is commendable. While I can understand that many of you are disappointed that certain titles aren't playing on the BH200, perhaps your energy would be better spent complaining at the BDA for the way they've handled the whole "profile" fiasco (for those of you complaining about LG screwing the early adopters - let's not forget that the entire 1st wave of blu-ray players aren't compatible with new BR disks being released today)

I apologize if this post seems aggressive, but seeing that LG _could_ of just said "f*ck you" and stopped providing any level of support for the hardware when hd-dvd was dropped, kicking samsungmaster/lg in the nuts over and over again is IMHO childish.
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The majority of the people in here complaining seem to of missed the obvious point here - the BH200 has been discontinued.. The fact that LG is providing any support at all for the hardware is commendable. While I can understand that many of you are disappointed that certain titles aren't playing on the BH200, perhaps your energy would be better spent complaining at the BDA for the way they've handled the whole "profile" fiasco (for those of you complaining about LG screwing the early adopters - let's not forget that the entire 1st wave of blu-ray players aren't compatible with new BR disks being released today)

I apologize if this post seems aggressive, but seeing that LG _could_ of just said "f*ck you" and stopped providing any level of support for the hardware when hd-dvd was dropped, kicking samsungmaster/lg in the nuts over and over again is IMHO childish.

That's BullSh!t!!! Sony are still releasing frequent updates for their first 2 BD players and they where discontinued many months before the BH200 was!!!!

It doesn't help that the half a$$ed, not yet finished format (BluRay) won the format war but using "it's discontinued" as an excuse is not good enuf!!!

If you are going to release a product you should be willing to support it - doing otherwise would be like ford telling you that fan belts for your '89 Taurus aren't available because it is a discontinued product!

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the BH200 has been discontinued

I'm not sure that is a valid excuse. What piece of electronic equipment isn't discontinued/superseded by another model the following year? I can't think of one. Denon, for instance, releases new models of their AVRs every year like clockwork. They still have support material for them on their website for many, many years back, though. And I'm sure they would answer questions about an earlier year model if you had to call...

...or how much would people scream if MSFT discontinued all support of an OS when they released a new one? Woo-boy would that be a loud hue and cry...

Point of fact, the BH200 is just barely a year old, it by no means is a first generation BR player, and some people paid over 700 bucks for the thing. In many ways it is an engineering and aesthetic masterpiece. Sad that a company seems to want to wash their hands of something they should be dang proud of.

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Yet another reason I think they should open source the code (or at least part of it). We have this wonderful piece of tech, the capabilities of which probably haven't been fully pushed or even implemented (BD Live, anyone?) and because someone doesn't have the people or time or motivation to work on it, it languishes. Sad.

And yes, I know an open source solution is a pipedream. Still, what a waste.
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That's BullSh!t!!! Sony are still releasing frequent updates for their first 2 BD players and they where discontinued many months before the BH200 was!!!!

It doesn't help that the half a$$ed, not yet finished format (BluRay) won the format war but using "it's discontinued" as an excuse is not good enuf!!!

If you are going to release a product you should be willing to support it - doing otherwise would be like ford telling you that fan belts for your '89 Taurus aren't available because it is a discontinued product!

Ok, which of the following companies has a MAJOR stake in the BDA, and would be in their best interest to keep as many of the BR players up to date?

A: Sony
B: LG

Like you mention, the BDA are still messing around with Blu-ray. I'm willing to bet that the fan-belt for an '89 Taurus is pretty generic, and wouldn't require a team of designers, testers, etc STILL working on the revising/upgrading the design after production of the '89 model Taurus has stopped. Yes, there's probably a good chance that the code for BR on the BH200 is similar to the code for any number of other LG BR players, but they almost certainly need to take HD-DVD into account when coding for that particular player, hence LG's reticence to throw large amounts of manpower at the issue. Be patient, and stop bitching. If you dislike LG's products so much, throw that BH200 on Ebay, so I can pick up a spare
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I'm not sure that is a valid excuse. What piece of electronic equipment isn't discontinued/superseded by another model the following year? I can't think of one. Denon, for instance, releases new models of their AVRs every year like clockwork. They still have support material for them on their website for many, many years back, though. And I'm sure they would answer questions about an earlier year model if you had to call...

...or how much would people scream if MSFT discontinued all support of an OS when they released a new one? Woo-boy would that be a loud hue and cry...

Point of fact, the BH200 is just barely a year old, it by no means is a first generation BR player, and some people paid over 700 bucks for the thing. In many ways it is an engineering and aesthetic masterpiece. Sad that a company seems to want to wash their hands of something they should be dang proud of.



Yet another reason I think they should open source the code (or at least part of it). We have this wonderful piece of tech, the capabilities of which probably haven't been fully pushed or even implemented (BD Live, anyone?) and because someone doesn't have the people or time or motivation to work on it, it languishes. Sad.

And yes, I know an open source solution is a pipedream. Still, what a waste.

As far as I'm aware(and this is entirely based on speculation), the sticking point for BD-live and/or profile 2.0 is the fact that the BDA's spec demands 1gb of onboard storage, which the BH200 doesn't have. I suspect there may be some kind of fee for the BDA to confirm that the hardware is 2.0 compliant, so if LG aren't making the hardware any more, why should they spend the cash?

You can't really compare MSFT's software / car fan belts / any blu-ray player.
MSFT continue to provide support for their old OS' for 2 reasons. 1, lots of companies still have nt4/2000/98/xp boxes tucked away somewhere, and 2, MSFT make a LOT of money from supporting these products.

I'm going to agree with you regarding open source, but you're right, it's a pipe dream. Which is a shame, as I'm sure the BH200 could be pressed into service as a pretty decent additional Mythtv backend given the right amount of love and tinkering
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As far as I'm aware(and this is entirely based on speculation), the sticking point for BD-live and/or profile 2.0 is the fact that the BDA's spec demands 1gb of onboard storage, which the BH200 doesn't have

I don't think the sticking point is a technical one. (Unless you've read something new that I have not.) It was never clear how much BR storage the BH200 has internally. My guess would be at least 500 M, because their competitor's machine (the UP5K) has at least that, and probably more. My stronger suspicion would be that LG one-upped that amount, though, since this was a second gen combo player and put a full 1G onboard. But again, I've never heard for sure one way or the other.

It is the case, however, that early BH200 press releases stated it had the tech for BD-live. Did the requirements for BD-live change since then? I don't know.

It is also clear looking at the BH200 menus that they fully intended for USB memory to be a part of their BD-live solution. With a USB card you could certainly have at least 1G for Live if you wanted.
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All the HD DVD fans warned everyone that all non-BD 2.0 profile machines would be obsolete when the 2.0 profile machines started shipping....guess it looks like that warning is now coming true. If this machine plays all discs that are 1.1 profile, we really can't gripe as playing of 2.0 discs wasn't a requirement.

If there would have been a finalized standard from day one, we wouldn't be having all these issues. (not to mention several of the discs that won't play were authored incorrectly...how many have griped at the studios? Fox, Sony, etc)

At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it.

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tonym001, I do not give a rats a$$ about spec 2.0, what I want is compatibility for all the disc incompatibilities and give back recent take-aways on earlier firmware updates of the machine(which all the other Japanese manufacturers are giving, maybe that is it..... do not buy Korean). If you read here that is the biggest gripe on the threads!!!!!

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tonym001, I do not give a rats a$$ about spec 2.0, what I want is compatibility for all the disc incompatibilities and give back recent take-aways on earlier firmware updates of the machine(which all the other Japanese manufacturers are giving, maybe that is it..... do not buy Korean). If you read here that is the biggest gripe on the threads!!!!!

Ok, let me put it this way.

The BH200 is (according to the BDA) certified 1.1 compliant. That is, any 1.1 or earlier BR disc should play fine. Are the discs people are having problems with 1.1 or 2.0? If they're 1.1, then while it's great that LG are working on individual fixes, the problem lies with the company releasing the discs, as they're probably not 1.1 compliant. If they're 2.0, then you cannot expect them to work on the BH200 (or, any other <1.1 profile BR player).

With regards to the support removed from the firmware, was this ever officially supported? While it is odd that bd-r, etc was removed, there's probably a pretty good reason the code got pulled.

As for your comment about not buying Korean tech, you might want to investigate where the panel in your LCD tv/monitor was built..

I've said it once, and I"ll say it again - Feel free to bung your BH200 on ebay, I'm sure you'll be able to find it a more grateful owner, as well as making enough cash to go buy a "proper" Blu-ray player.
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What I wonder about is how complex changes for this machine (or any player) are? I mean, with as long as it takes, you'd think we were programming rockets to fly to Pluto here.

Plus with features disappearing and old bugs reappearing, you'd guess there was very little quality control. I mean, back when I was in the programming biz, we had quality control suites that ran (automated stuff) on each new build of the product before it was even released for additional testing.

And I really don't understand taking functionality away unless there was some danger to the machine. Just doesn't make sense.
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All the HD DVD fans warned everyone that all non-BD 2.0 profile machines would be obsolete when the 2.0 profile machines started shipping....guess it looks like that warning is now coming true. If this machine plays all discs that are 1.1 profile, we really can't gripe as playing of 2.0 discs wasn't a requirement.

If there would have been a finalized standard from day one, we wouldn't be having all these issues. (not to mention several of the discs that won't play were authored incorrectly...how many have griped at the studios? Fox, Sony, etc)

IMHO, this is exactly where the problem lies. How on earth do you explain to a non-technical person that their blu-ray player is too old to play new blu-ray discs?
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