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With so many HD-DVD's sold, anybody think that blu-ray players can incorporate HD-DVD support as an "extra feature support?" Lot's of people bought one of the current combo players as "backups" for when their HD-DVD player zonks out. I still haven't hoping this backwards support will be available on other players. Tohiba/HD-DVD sellers should make this effort to provide this type of capability to continue to support HD-DVD adopters and keep their software from beoming obsolete.
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With so many HD-DVD's sold, anybody think that blu-ray players can incorporate HD-DVD support as an "extra feature support?" Lot's of people bought one of the current combo players as "backups" for when their HD-DVD player zonks out. I still haven't hoping this backwards support will be available on other players. Tohiba/HD-DVD sellers should make this effort to provide this type of capability to continue to support HD-DVD adopters and keep their software from beoming obsolete.

they 'can'.
but it'll be a cold day in hades first before they do. most likely.

only 'the shadow' knows for sure.
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No.

The format is dead, only Toshiba, LG and Samsung (the Venturer was a Toshiba clone) ever supported it hardware wise and there's no way they'll go back now. It's too costly for little gain.

Denon have talked about supporting HD-DVD in future BD Players but I seriously doubt they ever will. They are releasing a BD Player with DVD-A and SACD support though. I guess that's much cheaper to produce and those formats aren't technically dead, just slowly dying.

Buy the LG BH200/Samsung BD-UP5000 or get two Players while you still can buy HD-DVD Players.
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No.

The format is dead, only Toshiba, LG and Samsung (the Venturer was a Toshiba clone) ever supported it hardware wise and there's no way they'll go back now. It's too costly for little gain.

Denon have talked about supporting HD-DVD in future BD Players but I seriously doubt they ever will. They are releasing a BD Player with DVD-A and SACD support though. I guess that's much cheaper to produce and those formats aren't technically dead, just slowly dying.

Buy the LG BH200/Samsung BD-UP5000 or get two Players while you still can buy HD-DVD Players.

DenonJeff confirmed the HDDVD support in this player has been canned in an interview. The main reason SACD/DVD-A are supported is they dont need any change to the laser assemby (Use DVD laser) where as HDDVD needs another laser and is much more complex on the software side too.
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Thanks Krobar. Good point about SACD/DVD-A support. Both are technically DVD5 or DVD9s.
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I think as technology progresses it should be cheaper and easier to implement. I think the real reson they may not is that it forces people to buy the same movies again in another format. It would be a stand up thing for Toshiba to offer the chipset/support to some vendors to support all the users that bought into its "failed" technology. Yahoo just got out of DRM music and as a servic to its loyal customers, they are offering refunds on all DRM protected music. When toshiba bailed they should have also set something up for their customers in their write down of HD-DVD losses.
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I think as technology progresses it should be cheaper and easier to implement. I think the real reson they may not is that it forces people to buy the same movies again in another format. It would be a stand up thing for Toshiba to offer the chipset/support to some vendors to support all the users that bought into its "failed" technology. Yahoo just got out of DRM music and as a servic to its loyal customers, they are offering refunds on all DRM protected music. When toshiba bailed they should have also set something up for their customers in their write down of HD-DVD losses.

In case you haven't noticed, Toshiba and crew haven't 100% given up just yet.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...post&t=1045523
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What does that link show?
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With so many HD-DVD's sold, anybody think that blu-ray players can incorporate HD-DVD support as an "extra feature support?"

I think that is unlikely considering the additional costs for hardware, software, and royalties.
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What does that link show?

It is a link to a thread about a red laser HD DVD format that the DVD Forum has recently approved. There is no evidence that it is a pre-recorded video format though there is plenty of optimistic speculation from posters who are hoping for that.
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Thanks.

That's not HD-DVD by the sounds of it but yet another format. The Chinese came up with their own red laser HD format, because that's what we all need.
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I doubt it. A better way may be to use a HTPC and sw to read the HD DVD.

After all, it's still a blue laser.

Well, that's what I'm thinking of doing if my new TV (not ordered yet) will accept 1080 from my PC. If it can, bye bye A35....

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I actually have the XBox HD-DVD player on the PC. Worse comes to worse, I'll rip the HD-DVD's and play them off a hard drive. Just trying to stay legit...
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Should Toshiba ever support BD i'm sure they'll have the option of HD DVD support.
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Should Toshiba ever support BD i'm sure they'll have the option of HD DVD support.

Personally I see given time we'll see a BD Player from Toshiba but it won't support HD-DVD. They lost a packet when they pulled out of HD-DVD.
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Should Toshiba ever support BD i'm sure they'll have the option of HD DVD support.

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Personally I see given time we'll see a BD Player from Toshiba but it won't support HD-DVD. They lost a packet when they pulled out of HD-DVD.

Indeed brad I agree with you, even if Toshiba eventually supports Blu-ray I HIGHLY doubt that they would incorporate HD DVD playback....IMO what we have out now is what there is, player will last long enough to play your movies, but once your player dies youll either have to get something off of ebay or replace your HD DVDs....
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Or resort to illegal means and rip the HD-DVD's. Silly that they should shrig off all their early adopters and supporters to go this route.
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Or resort to illegal means and rip the HD-DVD's. Silly that they should shrig off all their early adopters and supporters to go this route.

Doesn't HDDVD support managed copy?

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That was part of their formal spec, but I don;t think it was ever implemented?!
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Doesn't HDDVD support managed copy?

AACS was supposedly going to add support for managed copy but the only thing I have heard for over 2 years is that they are still working on it.
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Personally I see given time we'll see a BD Player from Toshiba but it won't support HD-DVD. They lost a packet when they pulled out of HD-DVD.

Quite the contrary: they made a very rewarding secret deal with Sony - do you remember when right when the demise of HD DVD as a format arrived came the news about Sony is selling the Cell-mfr'ing plant (PS3's CPU) to Toshiba?
What a coincidence, huh?
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AACS was supposedly going to add support for managed copy but the only thing I have heard for over 2 years is that they are still working on it.

They will never do it unless HD DL takes off so big time it will force them.

Remember, it's the same sneaky, uninhibited mob Valenti used to lead.
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I would say there's a very good chance especially when companies are making really strange combos.

Who asked for this? Seriously, transferring VHS to DVD is understandable. There is zero benefit of transferring VHS to Blu-Ray (well except on the BH200--then it won't stretch the 4:3 material).

http://www.electronichouse.com/artic..._ray_with_vhs/

http://gizmodo.com/5041206/panasonic...-vhs-tapes-too

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Those combos include formats that were all hugely successful OR are still afloat. HD DVD was killed in under 2 years.
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I hope that LG, Samsung and eventually Toshiba would make combo players. Would it not be like DVD-R DVD+R DIVx etc being on almost all current SD DVD players?
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They're BD Recorders and VCRs in one, so you can use both not so you can transfer VHS tapes to BD. It just saves you having two units.

Most VCR/DVD Combos have Macrovision.

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I hope that LG, Samsung and eventually Toshiba would make combo players. Would it not be like DVD-R DVD+R DIVx etc being on almost all current SD DVD players?

No. The ability to add DVD+, DVD- and DivX is signifantly simpler.

Samsung have gone on record saying they're no longer supporting Combos and LG releasing a BD only Player says it all.

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Those combos include formats that were all hugely successful OR are still afloat. HD DVD was killed in under 2 years.

Exactly! VHS is still more popular world-wide than HD-DVD managed to be in the 2 years it survived.
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Exactly! VHS is still more popular world-wide than HD-DVD managed to be in the 2 years it survived.

Technically speaking... VHS is probably still more popular world-wide than Blu ray is right now as well.

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And material-wise, it will be a long time before Blu catches VHS...if ever.

Are their even as many disks on Blu as on Red yet? Seems like maybe they're about even now...
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And material-wise, it will be a long time before Blu catches VHS...if ever.

Are their even as many disks on Blu as on Red yet? Seems like maybe they're about even now...

According to thedigitalbits there are more than 200 BR vs HD DVDs.....
TOTAL BLU-RAY DISC TITLES (8/8/08 - DVD Release Report): 642/180*
TOTAL HD-DVD TITLES (FINAL FORMAT TALLY as of 7/4/08 - DVD Release Report): 429/0*
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