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Since some could not get to the cached google page, here is the text of the BH200 Press Release:


LG Electronics Launches Second-Generation Dual-Format High-Definition Disc Player



New Super Blu(TM) Player Offers New Features and Functionality, Continues
to Provide Consumers Choice Based on Content, not Format

DENVER, Sept. 5 /PRNewswire/ -- LG Electronics, the first company to
introduce a dual-format high-definition disc player, today unveiled its
second-generation LG Super Blu(TM) Player (model BH200). Sporting both
formats' logos, LG's new high-def player is capable of Blu-ray disc and HD
DVD playback with advanced BD-Java and HDi interactivity, enabling
consumers to choose from the widest variety of high-def content regardless
of disc format.
On display for the first time at the Custom Electronic Design and
Installation Association (CEDIA) EXPO 2007 (booth #720), LG's Super Blu
Player will be available to U.S. consumers and custom installers in
mid-October at a suggested retail price of $999.
The BH200 further strengthens LG's position as an innovator. Seven
months ago, LG was the first to launch a dual-format high-def disc player,
the award-winning BH100. That technological breakthrough has been widely
recognized as a groundbreaking product with industry accolades including
CNN's Best of CES, CNET's CES 2007 Best in Show and Home Video categories
and Popular Mechanics' CES Editor's Choice Award.
"LG introduced the world's first high-definition dual-format player to
focus on consumer needs and to end the confusion caused by the current
format war," said Allan Jason, vice president of consumer electronics
marketing at LG Electronics USA, Inc. "The launch of BH200 reinforces our
leadership position and offers consumers and custom installers a
best-in-class next-generation high-definition media player."
Mark Horak, executive vice president for Warner Home Video, the only
major studio supporting both the HD DVD and Blu-ray disc formats, said,
"The availability of movie titles on competing high-def disc formats is a
challenge for both retailers and consumers. The introduction of the
second-generation LG Super Blu Player addresses this challenge by fully
enabling both high-def formats on one convenient player, encouraging the
adoption of next-generation disc technology and growing the market."
One Player, Latest Technology
The Super Blu Player offers increased HDTV entertainment choices,
because it can play 50 to 60 percent more high-def movie titles than either
single-format player. With full networked interactivity available from
selected HD DVDs, and the capability to handle networked "BD-Live"
interactivity in forthcoming Blu-ray discs, it is the latest available
technology that plays both disc formats.
Viewers can enjoy advanced options such as "Picture-in-Picture"
available from many Blu-ray discs as well as HDi web-connected
interactivity available from many HD DVDs. Access to these features enables
viewing of storyboards, production videos and director's commentary as the
movie is playing, as well as accessing up-to-date information. The Super
Blu Player also accepts additional entertainment content via a network
connection, making for an unmatched entertainment experience.

In addition to supporting the latest high-def disc technologies, the
Super Blu Player is the ideal match for movie enthusiasts and even music
enthusiasts as it supports audio CDs and the ability to up-scale standard
DVDs to 1080p resolution.
"With its improved features and functionality, the BH200 is perfect for
the custom installer in search of the next-generation player as it
eliminates the need for a second player and the additional cables it
requires," said Tim Alessi, director of consumer electronics marketing at
LG Electronics USA, Inc. "With full support for features available on both
Blu-ray discs and HD DVDs, it serves as the flagship of the LG home video
product line and complements the company's expanded line-up of 'Full HD'
1080p flat-panel HDTVs."
The Ultimate Movie Viewing Experience
The LG Super Blu Player, which can output up to 1080p video resolution
at 24-, 30- and 60-frames-per-second, supports various A/V formats,
including MPEG-2, VC-1, H.264 video, MPEG1/2 audio, Dolby Digital, Dolby
Digital+, DTS and DTS-HD audio. The unit also includes multiple
inputs/outputs such as HDMI 1.3 out, component/composite video outputs,
digital optical and analog audio outputs as well as a LAN Ethernet port for
network interactivity.
LG Super Blu Player customers will enjoy superior quality video output
with HDMI 1.3 Deep Color output to improve color tones and achieve finer
color gradations to deliver the smoothest and most brilliant video output
available. The player also features QDEO(TM) advanced video processing for
superior up-scaling accuracy up to 1080p, improved noise reduction and
consistent color precision.
The new Super Blu Player incorporates LG's SimpLink(TM) connectivity
solution, enabling easier control of other LG SimpLink compatible
equipment. The units are connected with an HDMI cable and use the HDMI-CEC
communication standard. This allows the user to control other components
on-screen or directly from each component. The BH200 also is equipped with
a USB Media Host for easy access to digital music and photo libraries.
About LG Electronics USA, Inc.
LG Electronics USA, Inc., based in Englewood Cliffs, N.J., is the North
American subsidiary of LG Electronics, Inc., a $48.5-billion (2006
consolidated worldwide revenues) global force in consumer electronics, home
appliances and mobile communications. In the United States, LG Electronics
sells a wide range of digital appliances, digital display and digital media
products, and mobile phones under LG's "Life's Good" marketing theme. For
more information, please visit http://www.LGusa.com.



SOURCE LG Electronics
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How about highlighting in bold the bit which implies Profile 2.0 support being in the pipeline?

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Just wondering... anybody else sent any emails or PMs?
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Give me the email addresses and pm and I will try also.

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Have been researching thi splayer for a bit now - being an HDDVD adopter w/ a sizable number of discs, a DF player is my preference.

Read over @ HighDefForum that there have been recent reports of the BH200 getting clearanced at some BestBuy stores for under $250 (still $399 on website). Anyone see this for themselves yet?

If the remaining stock does get dumped btwn now & XMAS, every new buyer should hassle LG over the BD 2.0 business.

I for one could care less for 2.0, but if it's doable it should be done.

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Bdraw has gotten back to me and has requested a copy of the press release. I saved the cached Google version; can anyone provide a PDF of the original? If you have it, please PM me.
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Bdraw's on the case! He's going to speak to LG and get back to me...here's hoping for good news. For now, it's probably best not to inundate him with additional PMs; I don't want us to wear out our welcome.
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Bdraw's on the case! He's going to speak to LG and get back to me...here's hoping for good news. For now, it's probably best not to inundate him with additional PMs; I don't want us to wear out our welcome.

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I got a call from LG today in response to my question about 2.0 BD Live update for my LG BH-200. The woman wasn't too helpful because she didn't know much more than to tell me she will send me a CD/DVD of the latest BluRay update for my BH-200. When it arrives I will check it out and let y'all know.


Okay, my LG firmware disc arrived - finally! And I was disappointed... The so call upgrade disc had firmware version BH02080402F and I had already upgraded to firmware BH020080602A...
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Bottom line -- LG said the player would support BD-Live

Key distinction here, the google cached press release claims the player "could" support BD-Live and falls short of saying it will.
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I for one have said in previous posts that BD-Live was not a factor for me.......NOW. That's because to this point, I haven't found anything to get excited about. For all we know, Live could turn out to be a huge dud and be nothing more than a bad memory. But if Live does mature with some really terrific material, say in the next 6-12 months, I'd like to know my player has the capability.

Due to the fact that the 200 is now pretty much considered discontinued in favor of the 300, as time passes, the chances of LG upping the fw to 2.0 will be slim to none. If it's going to happen, it's got to happen very soon.

It should not matter that all the marketing fluff LG put in their press release was based on a player they called "Super Blu" because it could play all 3 formats and one format failed. This player is still a fairly current BR player that performs just as well or better than any other BR player on the market. It just happens to have a nice "little" bonus feature of being able to play HD-DVD.

The bottom line is LG does not have to give us Live........ but they should! If LG doesn't come through, it will certainly affect my future buying decisions when choosing between brands.

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Key distinction here, the google cached press release claims the player "could" support BD-Live and falls short of saying it will.

Just so we don't mince words, here's what the press release said -- verbatim:

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With full networked interactivity available from selected HD DVDs, and the capability to handle networked "BD-Live" interactivity in forthcoming Blu-ray discs, it is the latest available technology that plays both disc formats.

That doesn't sound like "could" to me. As it stands right now, the player does not have the capability to handle networked "BD-Live" interactivity. In order for the player to have such capability, LG owes us a Profile 2.0 update. End of story.
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I for one have said in previous posts that BD-Live was not a factor for me.......NOW. That's because to this point, I haven't found anything to get excited about. For all we know, Live could turn out to be a huge dud and be nothing more than a bad memory. But if Live does mature with some really terrific material, say in the next 6-12 months, I'd like to know my player has the capability.

Due to the fact that the 200 is now pretty much considered discontinued in favor of the 300, as time passes, the chances of LG upping the fw to 2.0 will be slim to none. If it's going to happen, it's got to happen very soon.

It should not matter that all the marketing fluff LG put in their press release was based on a player they called "Super Blu" because it could play all 3 formats and one format failed. This player is still a fairly current BR player that performs just as well or better than any other BR player on the market. It just happens to have a nice "little" bonus feature of being able to play HD-DVD.

The bottom line is LG does not have to give us Live........ but they should! If LG doesn't come through, it will certainly affect my future buying decisions when choosing between brands.

Mike T

Very well put, Mike. Very well put.
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If it's "end of story" as you claim, LG would have followed up that year+ old press release with some more news about their intentions (and our resident LG rep wouldn't be so mum on the issue). Anyway, this is a game of semantics and I have a feeling LG can afford legal advisers (aka lawyers, attorneys, fleecers, etc.) to spin this situation in their favor. On top of this, the statement was made at a time when the format war was in full swing and they are likely kicking themselves for the clear lapse in judgment apparent in that press release.

The player has an Ethernet port and 1GB of storage, which theoretically makes it capable of handling "networked BD-Live interactivity in forthcoming Blu-ray discs." I agree it was a mistake for LG to make any mention of BD-Live with regards to this player, especially with a volatile format war that could easily shift in momentum with a single key player's decision (Warner), but I am not getting my hopes up by believing your interpretation will be the ultimate outcome. At the same time, they were likely looking to "potentially" further differentiate their product from the primary Korean competition (and did so with overzealous abandon).
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Key distinction here, the google cached press release claims the player "could" support BD-Live and falls short of saying it will.

@Schwa Thanks for your above comment.

I think it's bad business to piss off a group of consumers, who for the most part as early adopters, spend the big bucks on technology and basically beta test for these manufacturers. Doesn't this group deserve a little "crumb" thrown their way? Wouldn't this also really go a long way in developing customer loyalty? I'm not a programmer but I can't see this fw update being that big a deal for their engineers.

Anyway, just my two cents. I hope they do the right thing.

EDIT: Edited out most of my post.
Sorry, just re-read the release and it does say capability to handle. To me, that suggests add a flash drive and update the fw just like the Sony 350 and Samsung 1500.
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If it's "end of story" as you claim, LG would have followed up that year+ old press release with some more news about their intentions. Anyway, this is a game of semantics and I have a feeling LG can afford legal advisers (aka lawyers, attorneys, fleecers, etc.) to spin this situation in their favor. On top of this, the statement was made at a time when the format war was in full swing and they are likely kicking themselves for the clear lapse in judgment apparent in that press release.

The player has an Ethernet port and 1GB of storage, which theoretically makes it capable of handling "networked BD-Live interactivity in forthcoming Blu-ray discs." I agree it was a mistake for LG to make any mention of BD-Live with regards to this player, especially with a volatile format war that could easily shift in momentum with a single key player's decision (Warner), but I am not getting my hopes up by believing your interpretation will be the ultimate outcome.

Oh, I'm with you...I don't doubt that LG can spin this situation in their favor. But there's two drawbacks to that...first, if they actually decided to "spin" the situation or mount some type of legal defense, it'd probably cost them more than just giving us the update. And secondly, turning their back on high-paying early adopters is one hell of a way to piss off potential future and/or repeat customers.

When I said, "end of story," what I meant was that the right thing for LG to do is pretty cut-and-dried. In no way do I think a favorable outcome (at least for us) is simply a matter of time.

Unfortunately, I believe that LG will probably just ignore us and hope we go away. That's why I hope Engadget or Gizmodo agrees to get involved -- I think that'll at least force LG to acknowledge our presence with some sort of reaction.

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LG's usage of the word "could"

That's the thing, Mike. LG didn't say "could." They said that the BH200 has BD-Live capability. Right now, it doesn't. An update is the only way it'll get that capability.
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Yes, I edited my above post.

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It is really simple either complete the terms of the implied offer or compensate the offere for the portion of the non executed portion of the transaction if the offere accepts or restore both parties to a whole state aka refund the offere their purchase price.

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Good luck with that thesis. They have more esq.'s than us btw.

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A quick question, off topic:

Do the SD DVD, BD and PAL Hacks also work with the BD300? Or is it not out yet?

I've not paid much attention to it but someone asked me. If they do work (which I imagine they do, but the codes maybe different like the BH100) it bodes well for future LG BD Players.
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Here is my message to LG:

[i]Hello LG Customer Services

I'd like to request some firmware upgrade features, in order of importance for me:

1. The ability to display the remaining and total time on a title. The BH200 only shows the time played so far. It would be very useful to know how long a film/extra is and how long it has left to go. I imagine this would be very simple to add.2.

The lack of a "time remaining" feature is pretty annoying, especially after using it so often on my Toshiba HD-DVD player.

And I did send LG a couple of detailed emails on the 4:3 stretch issue and I was told that they would forward my suggestion to the factory.

I suppose I should also email them about the missing "time remaining" feature, Profile 2.0 capability and some of the other issues mentioned.

I have less than a week left before the 30 day return window for my BH200 closes at Best Buy. Right now I'm on the fence about whether or not I will keep it.
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Keep it. Last night my wife and I were trying to watch a DVD-RW that a friend made on his standalone DVD burner. The 200 was the only player that played it among my hidef players. (A-2, UP5000 and the BH200)
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Hi guys

I'm wondering
would a class action be the answer to the BD 2.0 not coming ?
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would a class action be the answer to the BD 2.0 not coming ?

Yes, of course this is the United States and the constitution gives us the right to sue big corporations. At least I remember that being taught to me in school

At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it.

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Keep it. Last night my wife and I were trying to watch a DVD-RW that a friend made on his standalone DVD burner. The 200 was the only player that played it among my hidef players. (A-2, UP5000 and the BH200)

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Bdraw has gotten back to me and has requested a copy of the press release. I saved the cached Google version; can anyone provide a PDF of the original? If you have it, please PM me.

Any word yet?
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Any word yet?

No, not yet. I'm going to give him a few days since today (Monday) was probably the first chance he'd have had to contact LG during business hours.
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