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According to the French magazine 'Les Annees Laser', Samsung will launch in July a dual format player, the BD-UP5000.

It will use HDMI 1.3 and support all the advanced audio codecs.

It will output 1080p/24, but with Blu-ray discs only.

HDi and BD-J will be fully supported. No specific indication about the BD-J profile though.

I could not find any link about this player.

Edit: many thanks to Grubert for posting the article translation:

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Blu-ray and HD DVD: Samsung too!

During an exclusive event Samsung invited us to late February, it unveiled the future hybrid Blu-ray/HD DVD player which will launch in July: the BD-UP5000.

Cosmetically it is very similar to the BD-P1200, the single-format Blu-ray player which will come out in April in the US.

This "Duo HD Player", as the CE maker calls it, will be 100 percent operational as regards interactivity, both on Blu-ray (BD-J) as on HD DVD (HDi).

It will have an HDMI 1.3 output and it will support all the new audio formats.

It will also be possible to setup the HDMI output at 1080/24p, but only for Blu-ray.

"It's because this option is not standardised on HD DVD yet", was the explanation.

For DVD upscaling (to 720p, 1080i or 1080p), Samsung has chosen DCDi processing (as opposed to HQV on the BD-P1200) for "cost reasons".

No final price has been disclosed, but Samsung is looking at a 10 percent price differential over the single-format Blu-ray players.

In other news, the European launch of the BD-P1200 has been delayed without a date.

[caption: Dr. Shin, the father of the BD-UP5000, holds the 3-laser-diode drive specially designed for this player.]


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Good news. I was going to get the mid-year Sony, but I might hold off for further details on this Samsung.

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I expected that Samsung would do this, but not this soon. The more uniplayers, the better I say.
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What is a uniplayer? Is it both hd dvd and blu-ray
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I smell an April Fool's Joke here.

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I am not joking. What players support both hd dvd and blu ray
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I am not joking. What players support both hd dvd and blu ray

LG makes one, and it has been rumored that Samsung would for a long time.
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What is a uniplayer? Is it both hd dvd and blu-ray

I hope it goes a lot further than that.
Minimum:
SACD
DVD-A
CD
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Should I wait to but one of those players or should I just buy a blu ray
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Should I wait to but one of those players or should I just buy a blu ray

I would wait for the Sony BDPSX, which will feature a DVR and Blu-Ray burner. It'll also cook your eggs in the morning and call your boss for you when you don't feel like going in.

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Should I wait to but one of those players or should I just buy a blu ray


It's totally up to you. How much do you like / would you play HD DVD?

No one knows for sure how the format war will end. If you want to watch any HD discs from Universal or Weinstein, HD DVD is the only way to do it for the time being, and potentially, forever.
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I smell an April Fool's Joke here.

Not from me...

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Not from me...

Thanks for the report robena - definitely looking forward to seeing more announcements about this.

This seems like the most full-featured BD player we have seen yet (get that DTS-HD MA decoding at last).

If this is semi-affordable at least and works well for both formats, I think it could lead to basically a permanent format war hiatus or "cease-fire". Maybe then some of the bickering can end and lots of good movies can come.
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...It will output 1080p/24, but with Blu-ray discs only...

In order to be a true universal player both BD and HD-DVD should be treated equally and use all features.
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I hope it goes a lot further than that.
Minimum:
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Don't get your hopes up on the SACD; BD-P1200 doesn't play them. Not sure about the BD-P1000, but I'm guessing not.
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Don't these dual format players cost significantly more than single format players? If so, I wouldn't waste my money since HDDVD is probably going to be dead by the end of the year anyways.

What do you mean by dead? Do you mean dead by roadkill standards or DVD-A/SACD standards? Will HDDVD discs inexplicably stop playing at some point? Have you seent eh price of a really good DVD player? The Denon 3930 is $1500 well above the price of the LG BD/HDDVD player, and it doesn't play either of those.
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Don't these dual format players cost significantly more than single format players? If so, I wouldn't waste my money since HDDVD is probably going to be dead by the end of the year anyways.

The "almost" universal LG BH 100 costs $1200 list. The BD-only Sony BDP-S1 is $1000 list, and the BD-only Pansonic DMP-BD10 is $1300 list.

My opinion is no - it likely won't cost all that much more provided they become popular. Initially, they will likely be somewhat more expensive.

It all depends on how much it costs to pay licensing royalties for both technolgies, and how feasible/easy it is to create components (e.g. blue laser diodes) that can be used for both.

How much does a DVD+R only drive cost? How much more does a DVD+/-R drive cost..? Almost nothing.

Personally I have serious doubts about HD DVD being dead "ever", much less by the end of the year.
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Who cares how much it costs as long as it is a fully featured BR player!
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If so, I wouldn't waste my money since HDDVD is probably going to be dead by the end of the year anyways.

i'm sure Samsung agrees

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Buying a "Universal" player prolongs the format war...so DON'T!

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It will output 1080p/24, but with Blu-ray discs only.

If they are going to release a player for both formats, why would they limit the 1080p/24 output to blu-ray only? Why not make all things equal. The first company that comes out with a fully functional combo player at a somewhat reasonable price is going to make a killing. Why put restrictions on output? Or anything for that matter.
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If they are going to release a player for both formats, why would they limit the 1080p/24 output to blu-ray only? Why not make all things equal. The first company that comes out with a fully functional combo player at a somewhat reasonable price is going to make a killing. Why put restrictions on output? Or anything for that matter.

The BR players that output 1080p/24 do so by bypassing any processing, which is easy since movies are encoded at 1080p/24.

HD-DVD uses 1080i/60 flags, so it's less easy. There is no standardized way yet to output 1080p/24. Toshiba will probably go to the 1080p/24 -> 1080i/60 -> 1080p/24 route to do it.

Samsung, apparently, did not feel like adding a de-interlacer to their player.

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If this player is for real and follows the positive trend the 1200 seems to be following it could be THE player to get. But only if it can be offered at a reasonable price.

The audio codecs are the biggie to me. We need to see an official, detailed announcement.

It could push the competition to to get it in gear too.

I was skeptical of the initial post, given the date, but the fact I just bought a PS3 means this will likely be the Holy Grail of HD players.

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Google has everything, so if it doesn't pass the Google test, its very hard to believe.

Even with Google it can take a couple days for it to track down a new announcement. Time will tell.

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Even with Google it can take a couple days for it to track down a new announcement. Time will tell.

So far as I can tell, this info is only in the print magazine.

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According to their website, the lastest issue talks about the LG combo player.

What I saw was on page 24, April issue.

Here is the link:

http://www.annees-laser.com/index.htm

And the quote on that page:

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Actualités matériel : Samsung : lecteur combo en vue...


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Buying a "Universal" player prolongs the format war...so DON'T!

How?

I think it makes the war irrelevant.

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