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http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cedia07/h...yer-297205.php

You've seen the pics, you've read the specs, now it's time to put a stopwatch on this second-generation combo player from LG. Expected to sell for around $1000 when it hits the streets in mid-October, it's able to play just about any disc format, including good ol' CDs. But we wanted to know, how long do you have to wait after you insert an HD DVD or Blu-ray disc before you can see the first video? We tested Sharp's Blu-ray player last night and it took 34 seconds. Let's see how this one stacks up.

We hit the stopwatch first on a Blu-ray disc, and the time from tray insertion to first video was an eventual 31 seconds. For HD DVD, it was a bit quicker, at 29.7 seconds. We'd rather see this time shaved to under 10 seconds.

And oh yeah, the 1080p video coming out of the player was just perfect, in both Blu-ray and HD DVD trim. And, looky there, it's the official HD DVD logo sitting there, absent in the first-generation player because of alleged Microsoft recalcitrance. Word is that the Redmondians didn't want to see some crazy idea like a dual player hitting the market, making consumers' lives easier. Apparently all is forgiven.
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For me this player is no longer interesting as it only seems to have in the photos 2 analog audio outputs.
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here are a few photos I took today at Cedia
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Just enjoy HD in whatever form you can (Sat, Cable, D-VHS, OTA, HD DVD, or BD).
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Wow. For $500+, I would of at least expected a Digital Coaxial audio output on that player.

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For me this player is no longer interesting as it only seems to have in the photos 2 analog audio outputs.

what he said!
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I was also interested in this player because it seems to be coming out sooner than the Sammy and the load times look promising, but with no analog outs...its a no buy.
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For me this player is no longer interesting as it only seems to have in the photos 2 analog audio outputs.

WHAT!?! HOW DUMB IS THAT? AND FOR THAT PRICE...
STUPID MOVE...AND FOR THAT MONEY.

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Very strange piece.
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Strange indeed. A couple of other details I haven't gotten clear on: Does it internally decode Dolby TrueHD, and if so, does it do 2 ch, 5.1, or 7.1? Also, does it pass advanced codecs to receivers via HDMI 1.3 for off-board decoding? Finally, what chip does it use for the main decoder, is it an SoC, and if so, which one?

Seems like they cut certain corners to get the price down, but included advanced BD profiles as the off-setting attraction.

Has anyone timed the Sammy Duo player?

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I could care less if it has analog outs, but if it can't pass bitstream over hdmi, I'm out. (I don't yet own a reciever/preamp, been waitin on HDMI 1.3)
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Strange indeed. A couple of other details I haven't gotten clear on: Does it internally decode Dolby TrueHD, and if so, does it do 2 ch, 5.1, or 7.1? Also, does it pass advanced codecs to receivers via HDMI 1.3 for off-board decoding? Finally, what chip does it use for the main decoder, is it an SoC, and if so, which one?

Seems like they cut certain corners to get the price down, but included advanced BD profiles as the off-setting attraction.

Has anyone timed the Sammy Duo player?

I have been searching Google news and all the "Gadget" websites I know for the last 3 days and I have not seen any loading times tested on the UP5000....which is odd since Gizmondo has had a hands on with it.

The lack of analogs (5.1 or 7.1) and specific info on this player(BH200) has given me pause about purchasing it.
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No svideo = no buy!

I kid.

The samsung has the hqv reon for my old collection of DVDs, plus, with the recent announcement of the broadcom chip in the samsung (supports all features of all profiles of bluray and hddvd) I don't see how this thing can compete. That's not to mention the fact that this has no analog audio outs and sounds like it will be the same price if not more expensive.
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No svideo = no buy!

I'm not kidding. I just want something that can play my HD collection in the other room with a TV that only has s-video. Of course, I will eventually have an HDTV in that room, but for now...

This LG thing does not seem very well thought out.
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We hit the stopwatch first on a Blu-ray disc, and the time from tray insertion to first video was an eventual 31 seconds. For HD DVD, it was a bit quicker, at 29.7 seconds. We'd rather see this time shaved to under 10 seconds.

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Is there no more information on this player? I'd love to seem more on this one vs the Samsung 5000. Anyone keeping a comparason sheet?
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I was also interested in this player because it seems to be coming out sooner than the Sammy and the load times look promising, but with no analog outs...its a no buy.

Exactly why I picked up the BH100, not to mention the sub $600 pricing.

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Exactly why I picked up the BH100, not to mention the sub $600 pricing.



under $600? you have a PM

and why do people want analog audio output??????
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I hope this one can internally decode TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. If not, I will not purchase.

I really hope it does because I'd like to avoid the Sammy. I got the 1200 because the specs looked good and I thought they were going to fix the issues with it. Needless to say that didn't happen and unless everything works out of the box, I doubt they'd ever fix it.

We really need a quality dual-format player to settle this 'war'.

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and why do people want analog audio output??????

My A/V receiver does not have an HDMI input. That's one reason - the other would be if the A/V Receiver does have an HDMI input but doesn't have the decoders for some of the latest DTS or Dolby high resolution audio.

Why is there NO perfect equipment, only compromises?
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I hope this one can internally decode TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. If not, I will not purchase.

I really hope it does because I'd like to avoid the Sammy. I got the 1200 because the specs looked good and I thought they were going to fix the issues with it. Needless to say that didn't happen and unless everything works out of the box, I doubt they'd ever fix it.

We really need a quality dual-format player to settle this 'war'.

The BH100's only real limitation is the lack of Dolby TrueHD for HD-DVD (it will only output that 2 channel via HDMI or analog), but it does output Dolby TrueHD for Blu-Ray.

It is supposed to handle DTS-Master Audio, but I don't have a disc to test it with and the manual only says DTS-HD. Can anyone confirm if the BH100 or BH200 can decode DTS-Master Audio?

Why is there NO perfect equipment, only compromises?
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My A/V receiver does not have an HDMI input. That's one reason - the other would be if the A/V Receiver does have an HDMI input but doesn't have the decoders for some of the latest DTS or Dolby high resolution audio.

ok, gotcha....

sounds like its time for a new A/V receiver
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And, looky there, it's the official HD DVD logo sitting there, absent in the first-generation player because of alleged Microsoft recalcitrance. Word is that the Redmondians didn't want to see some crazy idea like a dual player hitting the market, making consumers' lives easier. Apparently all is forgiven.

I think the true story is that the first LG didn't really support the spec for HD DVD players since it didn't support the PiP (and maybe more HDi related things), but this time around LG does comply with the specs for HD DVD. So, they got the go-ahead for the logo this time. I can understand Microsoft not wanting a player that didn't comply with the specs to get the logo.

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What is the boot time to tray open?
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ok, gotcha....

sounds like its time for a new A/V receiver

Can't buy everything at once :-)
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The BH100's only real limitation is the lack of Dolby TrueHD for HD-DVD (it will only output that 2 channel via HDMI or analog), but it does output Dolby TrueHD for Blu-Ray.

It is supposed to handle DTS-Master Audio, but I don't have a disc to test it with and the manual only says DTS-HD. Can anyone confirm if the BH100 or BH200 can decode DTS-Master Audio?

I was fooled initially as well. It handles the 1.5Mbps DTS core which evidently gave it the 'right' to put the DTS HD logo on it. I've heard it won't even decode DTS HD HR which is an intermediary step on the way to DTS HD MA. Oh yeah, the answer is NO, it won't handle DTS HD MA, just the DTS core track which actually sounds quite good via the coaxial (and presumably optical) output. You need to start buying up some of the Fox Blu-ray movies and check it out for yourself.

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I was fooled initially as well. It handles the 1.5Mbps DTS core which evidently gave it the 'right' to put the DTS HD logo on it. I've heard it won't even decode DTS HD HR which is an intermediary step on the way to DTS HD MA. Oh yeah, the answer is NO, it won't handle DTS HD MA, just the DTS core track which actually sounds quite good via the coaxial (and presumably optical) output. You need to start buying up some of the Fox Blu-ray movies and check it out for yourself.

Thanks for clarifying that the BH100 won't do DTS-HD(HR) or DTS-HD(MA).

DTS has so badly dropped the ball on high def audio that I wouldn't be surprised to see them go bankrupt as Dolby has kept their HD audio codecs simple and lossless.

Why is there NO perfect equipment, only compromises?
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ok, gotcha....

sounds like its time for a new A/V receiver

.... and for those of us with hi-end (a.k.a -overpriced!) processors that are, in theory at least, upgradeable for HDMI, 5.1/7.1 analog outputs allows us to enjoy the better audio quality while waiting patiently for our processor manufacturer of choice to deliver HDMI .....

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Are there no more info about this player? ,it is suposed to be hitting the shelves in two weeks, right? I'm very interested in this unit.
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So if you have a receiver that can do all the dth and dtsma decoding, will one of these lg's pass it via bitstream to the receiver? at least dth?
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Where to preorder the bh200?
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