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post #91 of 146 Old 12-17-2007, 10:05 AM
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I decided not to purchase this player after the initial reports. Too many things that dont feel sound about this player. Also, no bitstreaming of audio is an issue. If this gets fixed at a later date I may buy in then, but this is an easy no purchase for me at this time.
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does this player support DVD-Audio and SACD formats?
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does this player support DVD-Audio and SACD formats?

No.
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so does this player output True HD to 5.1 when using an "Optical Digital" output? Or is that considered as analog. I would assume it's Digital, considering it's in it's name (optical DIGITAL).
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TrueHD can only be transmitted by HDMi or analog.

no other connections can support the information.
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I've picked up one of these at a local Best Buy w/ Magnolia for $799 on Sunday. I have it hooked to an Onkyo TX-NR905 right now. I have unhooked my $99 Toshiba A-2 for now while I test. I plan to test more tonight. One thing I have confirmed is that the Dolby TrueHD 5.1 Surround Sound (96kHz/24bit) track from the Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds Live at Radio City blu-ray disc was output correctly by the player...

I MADE A MISTAKE GUYS. IT DOWNMIXES IS 2.1CH THRU HDMI
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One thing I have confirmed is that the Dolby TrueHD 5.1 Surround Sound (96kHz/24bit) track from the Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds Live at Radio City blu-ray disc was output correctly by the player...

That would be contradictory to what is being reported by numerous people in the owner's thread. Are you positive that it was the TrueHD track and that it was coming out of more than just two channels?
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I've picked up one of these at a local Best Buy w/ Magnolia for $799 on Sunday. I have it hooked to an Onkyo TX-NR905 right now. I have unhooked my $99 Toshiba A-2 for now while I test. I plan to test more tonight. One thing I have confirmed is that the Dolby TrueHD 5.1 Surround Sound (96kHz/24bit) track from the Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds Live at Radio City blu-ray disc was output correctly by the player...

That would be good news!

Are you sure it's the full 5.1 TrueHD? I ask because apparently, there is a "core" (read less info/lower bitrate) that is 5.1, but not "TrueHD".

Do you have an indicator on the Onkyo that shows it is receiveing TrueHD?
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Only 22 posts later...I am out. Got my Panny BD30 yesterday!
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Quick results with an Onkyo TX-NR905 w/ HDMI connection...

Player Downconverts HD-DVD TrueHD to 2.1CH PCM 48kHz (Tested with 300)
Player Downconverts Blu-ray 96kHz True HD to 2.1CH PCM 96kHz (Tested with Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds)
Player Downconverts Blu-ray 48kHz True HD to 2.1CH PCM 48kHz (Tested with Superbad)
Player Seems to Pass Blu-ray Bitrate 6.1CH DTS-ES HD MA as 6.1CH DTS-ES (Tested with X-Men The Last Stand)

Player Passes Blu-ray Uncompressed PCM Audio with no issues (Tested with Superbad)

I haven't been able to figure out if Dolby Digital Plus works right either...
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Cancelled my 5000 order today.
I just can't see paying $779.00 or anything close to that when I got my Samsung 1400 for $279.00 with 5 free blue-rays. I got my A35 for $329.00 with 10 free HD-DVD movies and free shipping. So for $608.00 I got two players that do more than the 5000 can at the moment, I got two players that can be changed without losing the other if broke or outdated, I got 15 movies to watch worth around $360.00. I can get all HD audio formats to my Onkyo 885P bitstream for the best sound possible.

The 5000 just didn't look so good after adding up all this.
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I think the key phrase here is "at the moment".

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I think the key phrase here is "at the moment".

I really don't see what difference it makes if it is "at the moment" or ever.
The 5000 has nothing the two players and the 885P don't have. Reon video is in the 885P although my DVDO VP50pro does better video to me. As for BD 1.1 or 2.0 who is really going to use the features? I know I won't. I think a lot of people want everything that a machine can do just to say "I have that" but rarely if ever use all the features.
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I've jumped ship, getting the XA2 and the BD30, will sell the denon 3806 for a Onkyo 805 and bitstream ALL the advanced audio to the receiver. This certainly wasn't a low cost approach but, both of these players seem to be stable at this point and offer a knockout picture as well as all the hd audio.
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Only 22 posts later...I am out. Got my Panny BD30 yesterday!

Same here . Now waiting for an A35 to ship and get another 10 free movies. Amazon out of stock for the moment .
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Same here . Now waiting for an A35 to ship and get another 10 free movies. Amazon out of stock for the moment .

I must have got one of the last A35 from Amazon.com. I was going to get it from another place but saw the 10 free movie offer. Just adding to the format war! Got about 20 BD and 30 HD-DVD.
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Looks like I'll have to settle for the PS3 with the new Blu-Ray 1.1 upgraded firmware.
The only problem being that I'll have to pick up a Video Switch ($100) to handle my 3 Component HD inputs. Into an HDTV with only one HD input.
Unfortunately the Sammy just seems to have been rushed out. And I refuse to trust that "Furture Firmware WILL make the player compatable with future specs".
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Looks like I'll have to settle for the PS3 with the new Blu-Ray 1.1 upgraded firmware.
The only problem being that I'll have to pick up a Video Switch ($100) to handle my 3 Component HD inputs. Into an HDTV with only one HD input.
Unfortunately the Sammy just seems to have been rushed out. And I refuse to trust that "Furture Firmware WILL make the player compatable with future specs".

Isn't the PS3 totally firmware reliant as well when it comes to the future?
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^I'll say...let's not be hypocritical towards Samsung now.
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Isn't the PS3 totally firmware reliant as well when it comes to the future?

Yeah, but who would you rather trust, Sony or Samsung? Especially when it comes to the PS3...
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Great question. I am primarily an audiophile, but want more High-Def content and don't want to uprgade my hdmi 1.2 receiver. I was really wanting this player and watching these threads closely until the owners manual stated the 5000 would be limited to 2ch dolby trueHD. When I read that, I bailed and came up with a surprising plan-B. I decided to get my high def fix by adding HD premium movie packages to my satellite account and also adding an external hard-drive to my satellite DVR. While the HD feed is probably not as stunning as I'd get with HD-DVD/BluRay, my TV de-interlaces really well, so quality is really good. I am satisfied for now to be getting lots of movies in HD. Many are as yet unavailable on disk. I record and then archive them to the external hard-disk. This has been surprisingly convenient. Now I feel content to wait for dual-formats to mature awhile. I like my Oppo 981 so well, I might sit out on a player until Oppo moves into the High Def fold.


I feel the same way about my OPPO 981. I have it upscaling to 1080P. It does an outstanding job. I can' wait for OPPO to enter the HD/Blu-Ray world.
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Yes, the PS3 is Firmware reliant.
However, SONY NEEDS the PS3 and Blu-Ray to succeed.
Samsung does not.
Also the fact that the PS3 (THEORETICALLY) has enough power and HD space to be able to handle the 2.0 spec eventually.
I am just so ticked about the whole thing.
ALL HD-DVD players are compatible with all new features.
And yet we keep hearing rumours about Warner going Blu-Ray exclusive. It just Makes NO sense at all.
Just more proof that the Consumer is just a Pawn, and matters not one bit to the studios and manufacturers.
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Is there any HD DVD player at this point that correctly outputs all the new audio via 7.1 analogue? Any Blu Ray player that does this? As the 5K looks so disappointing, I am starting to look at separate players, but they don't look to be full functioning for audio either..

Help!
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i don't know of any HD DVD player or Blu Ray player that currently decodes TrueHD or DTS-HD MA and outputs it via analog (maybe one of the panasonic models does one of them).

i was hoping the sammy 5000 would do this and was prepared to buy it if it did.

unfortunately, with no speaker distance settings and crossover fixed at 100hz, even if the sammy did what i wanted, i'd be back on the sidelines waiting.
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Is there any HD DVD player at this point that correctly outputs all the new audio via 7.1 analogue? Any Blu Ray player that does this? As the 5K looks so disappointing, I am starting to look at separate players, but they don't look to be full functioning for audio either..

Help!

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I was in the same situation as many AVS members when it came to HD audio. I had a pre/pro that didn't do HDMI but did have 7.1 analog. I have a full 7.2 system setup for "the new super 7.1 audio" that was supposed to be all the rage. It seems that will never happen for analog with HDMI and bitstream HD audio out now. After all it is much more expensive and probably wouldn't use quality DAC any way.
After searching and searching I found one HD player that had 7.1 output but only if the disk was recorded that way. It did not do 5.1 to 7.1 conversion. Can't remember but I think it was a Panasonic.
Bought an Onkyo 885P Pre/pro and haven't looked back. I get 7.1 audio for any source I have. SACD using DSD to the 885P output in 7.1 is great. You won't get that from analog with any player.
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I am in a bind now thanks to Bestbuybusiness tactics. I had ordered the UP5000 player from them last week when they said it was in stock and everyone was starting to find and get one. Then the reports started coming out and confirming that the unit is indeed crippled with respect to the audio processing both in analog mode and digital HDMI mode. So I put in a cancel order to BB4B. Their ads say call them anytime 7 days a week for support help... I called them on the weekend also to confirm my cancelled order and they were closed for business it said!!! So what happened? Monday morning I called them again to ensure my order was cancelled. The lady rep said she thought she saw my cancellation order along with many others who were cancelling and also many who were still calling about this Samsung 5000. She said she submitted my cancel to the warehouse and they will cancel it and then it will show up on my account status. Guess what? That evening, instead of a cancelled order, I got a confirmation that they went and shipped it to me! Talk about forcing a sale. Anyway, I am up in the air as to whether or not I should take delivery and chance owning this unit or refuse UPS shipment when it arrives today. Yes today, UPS is delivering to me a Samsung UP5000. I am tempted to try it out and keep it and hope that firmware updates will fix the quirks and crippled audio. Hmmmm. I might soon be an owner of one in a few hours from now. I have an Onkyo NR905 AVR to use with it for audio. I have no 1080p TV display to test out the video bugs though. Should I keep it is the question I am struggling with. It cost me $790 with shipping and that's alot for a crippled buggy machine. But I don't have any BD nor HD-DVD players yet. So arrrgghhhh! dang you Samsung!

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I'll be honest. As of right now, I prefer the PLIIx applied to whatever signal coming across, even PCM 5.1 soundtracks. There just might be something to what's being talked about that the analogs should have bass management, etc or it may be just my equipment.
I compared spidey 3 raw PCM 5.1 over analogs to same pcm track over the optical connection which gets the PLIIx treatment as well as THX processing. Maybe it's the fact that the rear speakers (rear of 7.1) are being used. Anyway,it's a little surprising. They both sound great, but, I guess PLIIx and THX are doing their job.

Also, for anyone with a 720 native display, setting the output for 720p had much better results for me than taking the default of 1080i. This is on a Sony XBR 70in.

Latest impression of the player: THIS THING ROCKS! (no real problems, but, no Fox BD discs either). Tested Blu-ray, HD-DVDs, regular DVDs. Very smooth...
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I am in a bind now thanks to Bestbuybusiness tactics. I had ordered the UP5000 player from them last week when they said it was in stock and everyone was starting to find and get one. Then the reports started coming out and confirming that the unit is indeed crippled with respect to the audio processing both in analog mode and digital HDMI mode. So I put in a cancel order to BB4B. Their ads say call them anytime 7 days a week for support help... I called them on the weekend also to confirm my cancelled order and they were closed for business it said!!! So what happened? Monday morning I called them again to ensure my order was cancelled. The lady rep said she thought she saw my cancellation order along with many others who were cancelling and also many who were still calling about this Samsung 5000. She said she submitted my cancel to the warehouse and they will cancel it and then it will show up on my account status. Guess what? That evening, instead of a cancelled order, I got a confirmation that they went and shipped it to me! Talk about forcing a sale. Anyway, I am up in the air as to whether or not I should take delivery and chance owning this unit or refuse UPS shipment when it arrives today. Yes today, UPS is delivering to me a Samsung UP5000. I am tempted to try it out and keep it and hope that firmware updates will fix the quirks and crippled audio. Hmmmm. I might soon be an owner of one in a few hours from now. I have an Onkyo NR905 AVR to use with it for audio. I have no 1080p TV display to test out the video bugs though. Should I keep it is the question I am struggling with. It cost me $790 with shipping and that's alot for a crippled buggy machine. But I don't have any BD nor HD-DVD players yet. So arrrgghhhh! dang you Samsung!

I was in the a similar situation, but I already owned a Toshiba A2 and was going to cancel and get a Panny BD30. My order was still "in process" and the unit showed up last night. I opened it, took a lot of pics, and did some tests all posted in the owners thread.

My gut feeling is there WILL be firmware released to at the very least allow bitstreaming of advanced codecs to HDMI 1.3 receivers. Since your Onkyo fits the bill and you have no existing HD player, I'd keep it for sure.
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Yes, the PS3 is Firmware reliant.
However, SONY NEEDS the PS3 and Blu-Ray to succeed.
Samsung does not.
Also the fact that the PS3 (THEORETICALLY) has enough power and HD space to be able to handle the 2.0 spec eventually.
I am just so ticked about the whole thing.
ALL HD-DVD players are compatible with all new features.
And yet we keep hearing rumours about Warner going Blu-Ray exclusive. It just Makes NO sense at all.
Just more proof that the Consumer is just a Pawn, and matters not one bit to the studios and manufacturers.

Sony is a huge company and they don't NEED any of that stuff to succeed. The PS3 and Blu-Ray could completely flop and disappear and the company would survive; it's hardly a drop in the bucket in their overall revenues. I don't think you can say that one company is more motivated than another to make thier product succeed. At this point in time HDM is a very small part of the market. As for the PS3, I'm not sure what Sony makes on each console but it can't be much. I know initially they were selling them at a loss. They are hoping to make it up in the long-term through content, licensing, and Blu-Ray. Again, it could go away and they wouldn't be hurt that badly as a business.
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Lets see if I can find another way to put this.
Samsung is simply reproducing a component in order to be able to play something "Made by" Sony. I have a feeling Sony has more to lose than Samsung.
I am fully aware that Sony will not die it Blu does.
I am simply trying to say that Sony has more to lose than does Samsung.
And from what I have learned, Gamings systems take years to make profit. Players are sold at a loss. The money is made in content (movies/games).
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