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Old 12-17-2007, 12:32 PM
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Right now you can do LPCM (lossless) DD+ (lossy) DTS-HD (lossy) of the new formats thru analog/bitstream and all the old formats across optical/digital. **Sileas**, maybe this should go in the FAQ since it is probably confusing for alot of people what is actually working right.
TrueHD (lossless) and DTS-MA (lossless) are expected to be fixed in the near future with a firmware release from Samsung.

up until the last few pages of this thread, i was under the impression that TrueHD and DTS-HD MA were the "only" two lossless formats available on either HD DVD or Blu-Ray discs.

now there is talk of another lossless track. is this correct? what discs is this particular lossless audio available on? is there any difference whatsoever between this track, TrueHD or DTS-HD MA?

sorry, just became a little (more) confused.
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ckelly, take a look at the video that was posted by sileas. I've never seen anything like that on any player I've owned. His apparently isn't defective since another owner reports the same thing but then again others don't. But he did get this video noise on a noiseless test pattern. You are correct though about film grain, but it should come through as just that, film grain without added digital artifacts from the player. A display can add its own noise to this, but that's for another thread.

I'd love to see it. Where is the video? Aslo, I've got DVE for HD-DVD which I haven't even opened yet. can you recoommend a quick test off of it that would help with some of these questions, Ken?
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I'm actually surprised Wi-fi isn't a feature on any set top player.

Yeah, me too. I think we're slowly getting there. I might just break down and rewire my living room. Currently I run a phone line (for DSL) out of the wall by the TV and across the room under the baseboard to my computer where I have my DSL modem and wireless router. I should probably just move those over to my TV and run cat5 along the wall for my computer. That way I can run short patch cables for AV stuff straight into the router and not have to worry about wireless.
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up until the last few pages of this thread, i was under the impression that TrueHD and DTS-HD MA were the "only" two lossless formats available on either HD DVD or Blu-Ray discs.

now there is talk of another lossless track. is this correct? what discs is this particular lossless audio available on? is there any difference whatsoever between this track, TrueHD or DTS-HD MA?

sorry, just became a little (more) confused.

As far as I understand (I could be wrong), LPCM, DTS-HD MA, and TrueHD are all lossless and offer comparable sound quality. I think LPCM is basically what you would have after decoding TrueHD or DTS-HD MA. The main concern is which tracks you get on a given disc. There may only be one of the three. Thus the obsession over being able to decode everything.
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time out.. not that up on all the lingo, so someone please break this down for me..... i have a DENON 2807.. hooked up to my "old" samsung upconvert dvd player, and when i play a movie, i get dolby digital 5.1 on the receiver's screen and 5 channel surround sound.. all through a digital optical line.. will i get that with the 5000...??? !! no need for long explanations, just break it down to me like you were telling a child..... thanks.....
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Too much wine and bluray.

Let me clear up some things and stuff

1) Spence and for everyone else looking at the video:
-those little grey boxes? Those are the pixels, not some test pattern. The camera is about 0.4 meters from the screen on a "macro" level (you know, for video tapping flowers, ants, etc.). The squares are measured by millimeter, not feet. I'll add this to the post description. It's so close because I want to show the issue I am seeing as well as I can, and with miniDV, I need to increased the DV pixel to projected pixel ratio as much as possible. Oh, and someone asked about the pattern moving in the first clip. Yes, not very stable, sorry - that is the camera (or an earthquake - this is Los Angeles). Ignore that, just look at what is in the image on the screen. By the way, so you know where in the DVE pixel phase test this is, it's at the bottom. My camera was on a cheap mini tripod on top of the center chanel. Had I panned right, you would see massive letters saying "Pixel Timing and Phase..." Really, just a huge "P"

2) With regard to various audio format FAQ posts (add what works), I'll get to that. I really want to find a better way to do that thing - it is sooo ugly

3) Bitstream out over HDMI stuff - it is confusing even to me. I am going to put up a post detailing the exact tests I need done so I can feel confident posting in the FAQ (yes - and honest to goodness test plan!). I wonder if there is a cheap receiver that does this stuff I can go "rent" to do the testing.

4) Donations - I doubt AVSForum would look kindly on that. If not, however, eh... another post. But, definitely, thanks for the thanks from everyone who said it. It's free, but it's priceless.

5) Thread clutter - looks like a clutter bomb went off already as I slept (5 hours, man that was quick) but the moderators cleaned up. Thank for helping guys. Last thing I want is to wake up and get bashed for something or other.

6) FAQ updating. Yeah - getting there. Hopefully that will reduce some of the clutter bombs. If only that worked for our home.

7) Sort of off topic wishing - I would love to see semi-locked semi-moderated threads for owners where you must register your model, serial number, and maybe something else with AVSForum before you are allowed to post unmoderated into the Owners Thread. All other posts (non-owner) get moderated by the owners in the thread, perhaps with a slashdot style mod point system. Just getting rid of all the "does it do x" and "sounds like it sucks, I'm not going to buy it - get the Pony or the Kitten instead, harrumph!" would probably prune 50% of the thing.


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As far as I understand (I could be wrong), LPCM, DTS-HD MA, and TrueHD are all lossless and offer comparable sound quality. I think LPCM is basically what you would have after decoding TrueHD or DTS-HD MA. The main concern is which tracks you get on a given disc. There may only be one of the three.

thanks for your answer. if you're correct, i had no idea. i thought TrueHD (Dolby) was exclusive to one format and DTS-HD MA (DTS) was exclusive to another, but which discs have "just" LPCM and "neither" TrueHD OR DTS-HD MA?
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ok ive got a onyko 605 will i get the new sound formats through my hdmi cable to the reciever or just 2 channel stereo,thx
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I use a second wireless router and create a wireless bridge so I can connect my HT equipment to the internet (bridge from upstairs access point) works great
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I'd love to see it. Where is the video? Aslo, I've got DVE for HD-DVD which I haven't even opened yet. can you recoommend a quick test off of it that would help with some of these questions, Ken?

Try this link - it'll save you from the free hosting site full of pop-ups etc.

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To answer several people: If your reciever does Dolby 5.1 or Dolby Disital 5.1, you are set. Many here are looking for the more advanced codecs (TrueHD, etc) which WON'T play....at least yet.
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4) Donations - I doubt AVSForum would look kindly on that. If not, however, eh... another post. But, definitely, thanks for the thanks from everyone who said it. It's free, but it's priceless.

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Hmm, am I mistaken or do several of the folks that DO NOT see the video issue have Samsung displays and NONE of those that do see it have Samsung displays?

Hard to keep track of who has what on these posts but maybe Samsung only tested this thing with their own displays?

Pioneer Elite CRT here. No video issues (so far).
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thread cleanup underway

lets try to limit posts to technical issues from owners [non owners are welcome to ask questions]

please avoid price/where to buy in this thread

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I think this was more of a suggestion for future forum software feature. As such, a good idea. Not surprising it can't be done now.

As a non-owner owner (UPS still has mine), I would be curious to know if anyone is running their 5000 HDMI thru a Video Processor (such as for anamorphic stretch) and if so, which one?

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Right now you can do LPCM (lossless) DD+ (lossy) DTS-HD (lossy) of the new formats thru analog/bitstream and all the old formats across optical/digital. **Sileas**, maybe this should go in the FAQ since it is probably confusing for alot of people what is actually working right.
TrueHD (lossless) and DTS-MA (lossless) are expected to be fixed in the near future with a firmware release from Samsung.

And It needs to be made clear - seperate ANALOG and DIGITAL.

TrueHD and DTS-MA may not be supported through analog, and there is some questions on what can be bitstreamed through HDMI, what can be converted to L/PCM, what actually will go through the opt/coax SPDIF outs etc. etc. etc.
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There seems to be alot of confusion
on High Def Audio, and what works on the 5000

Here is a link which explains the different new audio codecs

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=3860


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There seems to be alot of confusion
on High Def Audio, and what works on the 5000

Here is a link which explains the different new audio codecs

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=3860


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Excellent, thanks.
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you will, when they firmware upgrade the samsung to be able to..right now, just 2 channel dolby true hd. there's nothing wrong with your receiver. the hdmi connection will do it all, when the time come..
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There seems to be alot of confusion
on High Def Audio, and what works on the 5000

Here is a link which explains the different new audio codecs

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=3860


Bob

thanks for the link. after reading all the blurbs, it seems TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, and Uncompressed Audio (L/PCM) are all lossless and should all be pretty much identical? are all three 96/24? are there any differences in sound quality between any of these three lossless formats?
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Try this link - it'll save you from the free hosting site full of pop-ups etc.

Wow. Nope, I definately haven't seen that on ANY of my players, including the 5000. Could this be the "sparklies" sometimes produced by a bad HDMI cable (or perhaps internal connection)?
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thanks for the link. after reading all the blurbs, it seems TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, and Uncompressed Audio (L/PCM) are all lossless and should all be pretty much identical? are all three 96/24? are there any differences in sound quality between any of these three lossless formats?

SHould be no differences. LPCM is the purest but takes up most room on disc. TrueHD and DTS-MA have to be re-encoded so there may be some room for differences but all of them are lossless...
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SHould be no differences. LPCM is the purest but takes up most room on disc. TrueHD and DTS-MA have to be re-encoded so there may be some room for differences but all of them are lossless...

haggis - a traditional Scottish dish which contains the following ingredients: sheep's 'pluck' (heart, liver and lungs), minced with onion, oatmeal, suet, spices, and salt, mixed with stock, and traditionally boiled in the animal's stomach for approximately three hours.

Not a very appetizing name you have there

So what settings do I choose in order to get to LPCM and what BR/HD-DVD's have it?
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haggis - a traditional Scottish dish which contains the following ingredients: sheep's 'pluck' (heart, liver and lungs), minced with onion, oatmeal, suet, spices, and salt, mixed with stock, and traditionally boiled in the animal's stomach for approximately three hours.

Not a very appetizing name you have there

So what settings do I choose in order to get to LPCM and what BR/HD-DVD's have it?

Leave the player setting on bitstream (audiophile) to pass a PCM track from a PCM disc.

I think there is only like 1 HD DVD with a PCM track.

MANY BRs have a PCM track:

SM 1,2,3
POTC 1,2,3
Underworld 1,2
300
Casino Royale
Pearl Harbor
Cars
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Fifth Element

and many, many more
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I've picked up one of these at a local Best Buy w/ Magnolia for $799 on Sunday. I have it hooked to an Onkyo TX-NR905 right now. I have unhooked my $99 Toshiba A-2 for now while I test. I plan to test more tonight. One thing I have confirmed is that the Dolby TrueHD 5.1 Surround Sound (96kHz/24bit) track from the Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds Live at Radio City blu-ray disc was output correctly by the player...
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I've picked up one of these at a local Best Buy w/ Magnolia for $799 on Sunday. I have it hooked to an Onkyo TX-NR905 right now. I have unhooked my $99 Toshiba A-2 for now while I test. I plan to test more tonight. One thing I have confirmed is that the Dolby TrueHD 5.1 Surround Sound (96kHz/24bit) track from the Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds Live at Radio City blu-ray disc was output correctly by the player...

Are you bitstreaming it to your receiver (HDMI)?

Is it playing out of all 5 speakers and the sub?

Is the Dolby TrueHD logo showing on the front of your receiver?

If the answer to all of these is yes, what is the date on the rear of the player?
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haggis - a traditional Scottish dish which contains the following ingredients: sheep's 'pluck' (heart, liver and lungs), minced with onion, oatmeal, suet, spices, and salt, mixed with stock, and traditionally boiled in the animal's stomach for approximately three hours.

Not a very appetizing name you have there

So what settings do I choose in order to get to LPCM and what BR/HD-DVD's have it?

It tastes good but it smells horrible when cooking it....

You need to choose the PCM track from the menu on the Blu-ray disc (if it has a PCM track, many do). Spiderman 3 and the latest Harry Potter are good examples. Also you'll need to use the analog outs (the method I'm using) or bitstream over HDMI.
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As far as I understand (I could be wrong), LPCM, DTS-HD MA, and TrueHD are all lossless and offer comparable sound quality. I think LPCM is basically what you would have after decoding TrueHD or DTS-HD MA. The main concern is which tracks you get on a given disc. There may only be one of the three. Thus the obsession over being able to decode everything.

You are sort of correct. There are 3 "lossless" formats: LPCM, Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD MA, but there are differences between the 3:

TrueHD and DTS HD MA are identical in their bits, compared to LPCM which uses more. What this means is that disks with TrueHD and DTS HD MA have more space for other "stuff" and of course, LPCM has less space (it's takes about 2.5 times more space compared to TrueHD / DTS HD MA).

Also, the bit-rate used to encode is different: LPCM has 6.144Mbits / TrueHD has 18Mbits / DTS HD MA has 24.5Mbits on Blueray and 18Mbits on HD-DVD (ie: True HD and DTS HD MA are encoded with higher bit-rate, compared to LPCM).

Sound quality in theory should be the same. That said, if I had the choice and all 3 would play 5.1/7.1, I would choose TrueHD and/or DTS HD MA over LPCM.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Total Size:
128(MB)
Available Size:
131(MB)
Average Read Rate:
10(Mbps)

Okay guys I am going WAY back here about the onboard storage for the unit... I apologize for not posting it but since this forum grew 10 fold It makes it tough to find. Someone mentioned something about the current firmware not able to detect the full amount of storage capacity on the unit. IMO i believe that is a possibility.

Has anyone paid attention to this... "Total Size: 128(MB)... Available Size: 131 (MB)..." Can someone tell me what is wrong with this? Anyone?

Ill give you a hint...think subtraction... (128 - 131 = ??) How can there be more memory available then there is onboard memory to start with? This makes me to believe 256 MB is probably on there and that as someone else said, for some reason...this current firmware cannot see it. This will probably come when the firmware for making this unit profile 1.1 comes about.
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I got the ONE that the Lacey, WA Best Buy store got in. Used the 10% off no problems. $719.99 + 8.4% tax = $780.47.

I'll hook it up tonight after work and post my impressions. But first, in anticipation, I have a few questions.

The important info:

This will be going my home theater room... replacing a Panasonic BD-10A, which is moving to the living room.

The receiver: via HDMI to a Denon 5805CI. (Then to a Monitor Audio Gold Signature 9.2 speaker set up.)

The display: via HDMI (from the 5805) to a JVC DLA-RS1U projector. (projected onto a 161" Draper Onyx fixed screen)

The player is in the theater room and the receiver is in an adjoining equipment room with appropriate cables (HDMI, IR, RS232, Ethernet, Speaker Cable, etc.) in the walls and at the right locations.

The questions:

- Universal Remote codes? Has anyone tried the 1400 codes? I use an RTI T2-C.

- Die Hard 4? I read earlier in the thread that this disc was a problem. Has anyone tried to watch this entire movie yet? My wife and I were hoping to watch it tonight. (Probably still will... even if it's through the 10A.) ... However, now that we'll have HD-DVD in the theater, we might watch The Bourne Ultimatum. Any issues with that disc?

- SD aspect ratio and upconverting? Will it stretch 4:3 material? I like how my Panasonic keeps 4:3 material at 4:3.

- HD-DVD boot time? I'm mostly worried about the downloaded stuff. I have in my rec room an X-Box 360 with the HD-DVD addon. When Knocked Up came out, it took FOREVER to start up. After research, I found that it was downloading a bunch of stuff and I had to delete that stuff and play the movie with the network cable unplugged. Is this an issue with this player, too? (And other HD-DVD players?? I have no experience with any.)

- DVD/HD-DVD combo discs? Again, with HD-DVD on the 360, I experienced lots of issues with the combo discs... Superman Returns, Good Shepherd, etc. Has anyone had any issues with the combo discs?

- Of course, audio?? ... I've been following the thread and read the FAQ (keep up the good work)... and I'm still kinda confused. I'll wait until I hook it up and see what happens and THEN ask questions, if any, about settings and such.

- Returns? I've noticed that most of us got these players from Best Buy. Has anyone tried to return it for not being what it's advertised to be? I'm a pretty patient guy and as long as I'm not taking too many steps backwards from my Panasonic, I'm sure I'll wait. But just in case...

Thanks for any input.

-- Garrett
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