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Do the Sammy 1000, 1200, and 1400 do True HD bitstream? I am holding out some hope that this bitstreaming issue can be rectified by a firmware update.
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Ben away for a bit - Sileas - NICE SITE!!

gggunderson - where did you buy yours from?
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Got home... Got it hooked up...

first thing I checked: firmware:
says:
S/W: 071020.01_1020_0924.11_XAA

... this is different than what the FAQ says. .... older?

checked for an update. it said an update was available:
New Version : 071108_02_UP5000_XAA_1

ran the update.
-- took about 22 minutes to "download"
-- took about 4 minutes in the "Processing" stage

Then the unit powered down.
I waited a couple minutes to see if it would restart. It didn't.
Powered back on.

updated system info:
S/W: 071108.02_1020_0924.11_XAA

... still different from the FAQ... the "1020" part.

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After reading this post, I was hoping my unit might have needed an update that would have cured my video issue, unfortunately it told me I already had the latest one.

My numbers are different also :

071108.02_1114_0924.11_XAA

This is really strange that some of us have 1114 while others have 1020. I have no idea why this 4 digits group would be different only for some. I could understand if it was a machine identifier. Could it be the manufacture date of the machine ? 1020 for October 20th and 1114 for November 14th ?

I took some pictures but they really suck and even though they look horrible, I don't think you guys will see from those what I'm dealing with. A video would do a much better job of showing it. Any way I can post a video here ?

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gggunderson - where did you buy yours from?

Best Buy in Lacey, WA (Near Olympia.... about 60 miles south of Seattle).

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despite calling friday to cancel my BBfB order, and then emailing them on Sunday because it still said processing despite the call (and confirmation) to cancel.

Today it shipped. What a pain.
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I have seen this same issue during playback of 2001: A Space Odyssey on the Toshiba A2 HD-DVD player. It definitely looks like black freckles dancing across lighter backgrounds. Digital noise is the best way to describe it.

That describes what I'm seeing with all movies I tested on the UP5000, but I had never seen that on either my A1, A2 or XA2.

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Best Buy in Lacey, WA (Near Olympia.... about 60 miles south of Seattle).

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Just curious. Everybody that has reported in seems to have gotten theirs at BB so I figured yours came from somewhere else. I got mine from Crutchfield and haven't checked it yet. I'll do it tomorrow when I get back in town.
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After reading this post, I was hoping my unit might have needed an update that would have cured my video issue, unfortunately it told me I already had the latest one.

My numbers are different also :

071108.02_1114_0924.11_XAA

I wonder if the 4 digits that differ for all 3 of us is not an identifier for the machine itself. I'd be willing to bet we won't find two owners with the same 4 digits.

Those numbers are not different from all November built players. Why do you think they are different?

Please see the FAQ for decoding of the numbers.

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Hey guys, got my player at Bestbuy today The first thing I did with it? Took it apart

Here are some pics (i know, they suck) and my findings:









I didn't take the heatsink off of the main broadcom cpu, but around it are 8 of these (4 on top of the main board, 4 on the bottom)

http://www.qimonda.com/download.jsp?...rev111_www.pdf

Considering those are 512 Mega "bits" each, it looks like the main system memory is equal to 512 Mega "bytes".

Off to the side labeled on the motherboard as "NAND2" is a samsung flash chip:

http://www.samsung.com/global/system...8uxa_rev10.pdf

This is a 4 Giga "bit" flash chip, which means it is 512 Mega "bytes". I have a feeling this is the players shared firmware and storage. Considering it's only 512MB maybe originally they thought they could keep the OS under 256MB, leaving 256MB for user storage, but at some point the OS outgrew the original estimate, hence why we only have 128MB available. Just a theory and interesting that the player shows that you actually have more than 128MB available ...

Also off to the side is this spansion flash chip:

http://www.spansion.com/products/S29GL032A.html

That is only 32 Mega "bit", so I honestly have no clue what this does, cause I couldn't really see firmware fitting in only 4 Mega "bytes" of space lol.

Of course the HQV Reon was there with 4 of these around it (2 on top of the main board and 2 on the bottom):

http://www.esmt.com.tw/DB/manager/up...13S128168A.pdf

Those are 128 Mega "bit", or, 16 Mega "bytes". Since there are 4 that is of course 64MB of memory for the Reon proc.

Beyond that it seemed like everything else was ICs and other crap. Of course I could have missed something cause I'm no expert.

Now I'm off to actually plug this thing in and watch some movies haha
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Hey guys, got my player at Bestbuy today The first thing I did with it? Took it apart

Here are some pics (i know, they suck) and my findings:









I didn't take the heatsink off of the main broadcom cpu, but around it are 8 of these (4 on top of the main board, 4 on the bottom)

http://www.qimonda.com/download.jsp?...rev111_www.pdf

Considering those are 512 Mega "bits" each, it looks like the main system memory is equal to 512 Mega "bytes".

Off to the side labeled on the motherboard as "NAND2" is a samsung flash chip:

http://www.samsung.com/global/system...8uxa_rev10.pdf

This is a 4 Giga "bit" flash chip, which means it is 512 Mega "bytes". I have a feeling this is the players shared firmware and storage. Considering it's only 512MB maybe originally they thought they could keep the OS under 256MB, leaving 256MB for user storage, but at some point the OS outgrew the original estimate, hence why we only have 128MB available. Just a theory and interesting that the player shows that you actually have more than 128MB available ...

Also off to the side is this spansion flash chip:

http://www.spansion.com/products/S29GL032A.html

That is only 32 Mega "bit", so I honestly have no clue what this does, cause I couldn't really see firmware fitting in only 4 Mega "bytes" of space lol.

Of course the HQV Reon was there with 4 of these around it (2 on top of the main board and 2 on the bottom):

http://www.esmt.com.tw/DB/manager/up...13S128168A.pdf

Those are 128 Mega "bit", or, 16 Mega "bytes". Since there are 4 that is of course 64MB of memory for the Reon proc.

Beyond that it seemed like everything else was ICs and other crap. Of course I could have missed something cause I'm no expert.

Now I'm off to actually plug this thing in and watch some movies haha

Is there any way you could get some high resolution photos of all that stuff? It would go a long way for me to provide more insight into the player, and if it can be modded to add USB ports. Also, I'll be able to see the memory busses and such, and will be able to determine more about the architecture and memories. Look specifically for empty headers for through-hole pins, and looks at the silk screen around them. Anything say JTAG? Anything say D+, D-, or VBus (USB would be D+, D-, VBus, GND).

Also, that 32Mb flash chip is NOR Flash, and almost certainly the boot flash. Embedded linux fits very easily into that size (actually, under 2MB if you squeeze). Plus, all but the newest SoC's don't boot from NAND, but instead NOR, so I'm really sure about that. That is the part of the system with the firmware dated 0924, version 11.

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Those numbers are not different from all November built players. Why do you think they are different?

Please see the FAQ for decoding of the numbers.

Yes I corrected my post after seeing the previous ones. Posted too quick. Haven't had a chance to check the FAQ, will do so now.

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Is there any way you could get some high resolution photos of all that stuff? It would go a long way for me to provide more insight into the player, and if it can be modded to add USB ports. Also, I'll be able to see the memory busses and such, and will be able to determine more about the architecture and memories

Thanks.

I already put it back together and don't really feel like taking it back apart.

But, to remove the top case is only 5 screws, 1 on each side and 3 on the back (top and each side). There is no "void warranty" sticker anywhere like covering part of where you have to remove the top case, so you don't have to worry about that junk. There is absolutely no way anyone could ever tell that you opened the case.
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Oh, and I looked all around for USB possibilities, didn't see jack. I didn't remove the front cover though and there is obviously a board up there for the front display. Its possible there is USB up there, highly doubtful though.
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Garrett - you said the download took 22 minutes. What is your ISP downstream speed? Maybe we can calculate the size of the firmware image from that. If you have 1.5Mb down and the image is 256 Megabytes, that would be around 22 minutes:

22 mins * (60 sec/min) * 1.5Megabit/sec * (1 Byte / 8 bits) = 247Mega bytes

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Garrett - you said the download took 22 minutes. What is your ISP downstream speed? Maybe we can calculate the size of the firmware image from that. If you have 1.5Mb down and the image is 256 Megabytes, that would be around 22 minutes:

22 mins * (60 sec/min) * 1.5Megabit/sec * (1 Byte / 8 bits) = 247Mega bytes

Thanks!

That's also assuming that it's actually downloading for the entire time that the UI says "downloading".
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Yes there's a good reason why I'm not using DHCP. I have a 20 node network here including 6 servers and I want to control exactly which device has which IP address. I know I could set-up a DHCP server with reserved addresses but why?

...for the very simple reason that you could get it wrong manually specifying the 20 IPADDRs in the distributed fashion you've chosen. If you use DHCP with 20 reserved IPADDRs for your 20 nodes' MAC ADDRs, the single DHCP server can ensure you have done it correctly. At the very least, you can look at a single (web) page for all 20 reservations and check for overlaps much more simply than the scheme you've chosen.

The only drawback I've come across with this scheme is that when you replace a NIC (MAC ADDR) in one of your nodes, you need to go to your DHCP Server's Reservation List and update it with the new MAC ADDR.

Anyway - you asked To everyone else, sorry for the "off-topic" detour...
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Garrett - you said the download took 22 minutes. What is your ISP downstream speed? Maybe we can calculate the size of the firmware image from that. If you have 1.5Mb down and the image is 256 Megabytes, that would be around 22 minutes:

22 mins * (60 sec/min) * 1.5Megabit/sec * (1 Byte / 8 bits) = 247Mega bytes

Thanks!

I have Comcast cable internet... honestly not sure what the advertised download speed is...

So, RIGHT NOW, speakeasy.net/speedtest, using a Seattle server reported it as 12591 kbps download and 1581 kbps upload.

On my network, I have quite a few devices that use the internet. Most of it should have been pretty negligible.

At the time of the firmware download, I was reading this site and surfing the internet on my laptop, my wife was surfing the internet on our desktop, my automation system (www.homelogic.com) was doing its standard reporting, my X-Box 360 was on and connected to X-Box Live, and my email program checked my POP3 account every couple of minutes.

*** Update: I don't know how the Samsung uses this info, but in the network setup, I selected the 768kbps DSL/Cable option.

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I've been testing my 5000 for the last hour and here's what I can confirm so far:

Also in my setup are the Samsung 1400, Onkyo 605, 5.1 speakers, Sony 60XBR950. I'm bitstreaming (Audiophile mode) from the 5000.

- Firmware: 0711108.02_1114_0924.11_XAA
- Could not see grey dot crawl on the 60 screen while the Samsung blue circles screen was up.
- Tested Bourne Ultimatum HD with TrueHD and Onkyo only received 2 channels in Multichannel PCM mode. Should be TrueHD mode 5.1 channels.
- Next I switched to Cars BD without turning off machine. The load time for Cars is roughly 2X as fast as the Sammy 1400. Once I got to the main menu where you choose between Play Movie and Special Features I heard the motorboating noise.
- I immediately power cycled and the motorboating didn't happen again when I got to the same part. I'll have to test more but maybe this happened because I switched from HD to BD disc. I couldn't discern any difference between PQ on this disc between the 1400 and 5000.
- I played Cars in PCM mode and everything sounded fine. I noticed during Cars PCM soundtrack that the Onkyo indicated Multichannel 7.1. When I play the same disc with same settings on the 1400 the Onkyo indicates Multichannel 5.1 which is the correct speaker configuration.
- Next I put in Superbad BD (again load time much faster than 1400). TrueHD incorrectly states Multichannel 7.1 on the Onkyo and sound is 2 channel. PCM sounds fine but states Multichannel 7.1 instead on 5.1.
- Next up is Mr. and Mrs. Smith BD to test a DTS-HD MA soundtrack. Onkyo sees it as DTS 5.1.
- Next is SD disc: CSI Season 7 (16:9 disc). I swapped back and forth between the 5000 and my Denon 1940 (faraoudja chip). Couldn't see a difference in PQ from 7 feet distance.
- Last is SD 4:3 content. I tested a Simpsons episode and am upset to report that the image was 16:9, not 4:3. My Sony 60XBR would NOT let me change the display setting to Normal, Zoom, or Wide Zoom. It was stuck in "full" mode which is widescreen/HD mode. I wanted to make sure I wasn't loosing it so I swapped the same disc to my Denon 1940 and I was able to view the same episode in 4:3 mode.

I have 2 questions:
1) Does anyone know if it is even possible to add DTS-HD MA support via firmware update? I noticed that this was the only logo missing on the box.
2) Can the 4:3 issue be corrected via firmware?

If not then this player goes back to Crutchfield.
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Anyone tried to find any "secret menu" buttons yet? ie: undocumented, not listed functions this player can perform when 2 or more buttons are pressed together (or one after another...).
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Got mine from Crutchfield today. Spent the 1st hour trying to get the player to respond to the remote. Turned out the batteries included didn't work. You would think that for what these cost, they could include descent batteries.

Hooked it up to Marque 9500lc using HDMI-DVI cable thru Dtrovision converter. Tonight I only had DVD to test but it looked great at 1080P @60fps. (wouldn't sync to 24fps). The best I have seen 5th Element look.
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Hey FYI, my player needed a system update. I think I have the same thing as gunderson.

System Information Screen after first boot:

S/W: 071020.07_1020_0924.11_XAA
Region: A/1 (BD/DVD)

When I checked for a System Update:

The new update data was found.
Current Version: 071020.01
New Version: 071108_02_UP5000_XAA_1

It is downloading right now. It has taken 8 minutes to get to 35% downloaded. I have a cable connection with 12Mbps down, but it throttles up to 15Mbps when downloading large files. I'll report again when its done and look at the logs on my router to see if I see anything interesting there.

FYI, I think this has to do with the production date, whether or not you need an update. On the back of my player is says it was made "2007-10", October obviously, which coincides with the firmware revision numbers.
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Well dammit, something happened at about 48%, it stopped and gave a connection error. I restarted and it has started downloading from 0% again. I highly doubt this was an issue on my network. Probably their servers.
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I got a 5000 at Best Buy but haven't hooked it up yet, so I'm not sure what the firmware is. Assuming that mine is the "older" one, I'll want to update it, but I don't currently have the capability to hook it up to the internet from the room that it's in. I'll therefore need to use the "CD" method for updating. I searched the Samsung website for this, but the only download pertaining to this unit I could find is the manual. Does anybody know where the update can be downloaded so I can burn it to a CD? The manual just says to go to the site I already searched.

Is the firmware update not available yet for download? It strikes me as quite odd that it would not be available yet given that it IS available via the player itself, and it's certainly not yet a "given" that people will have internet connections in their home theaters.

Thanks,

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I got a 5000 at Best Buy but haven't hooked it up yet, so I'm not sure what the firmware is. Assuming that mine is the "older" one, I'll want to update it, but I don't currently have the capability to hook it up to the internet from the room that it's in. I'll therefore need to use the "CD" method for updating. I searched the Samsung website for this, but the only download pertaining to this unit I could find is the manual. Does anybody know where the update can be downloaded so I can burn it to a CD? The manual just says to go to the site I already searched.

Is the firmware update not available yet for download? It strikes me as quite odd that it would not be available yet given that it IS available via the player itself, and it's certainly not yet a "given" that people will have internet connections in their home theaters.

Thanks,

Larry

You may not see it for another month, given the availability of the players. You could always try calling samsung support.

Then again, look on the back of your player in the bottom right hand corner. If it was made in 2007-11 you probably do not need the update.
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Hey FYI, my player needed a system update. I think I have the same thing as gunderson.

System Information Screen after first boot:

S/W: 071020.07_1020_0924.11_XAA
Region: A/1 (BD/DVD)

When I checked for a System Update:

The new update data was found.
Current Version: 071020.01
New Version: 071108_02_UP5000_XAA_1

It is downloading right now. It has taken 8 minutes to get to 35% downloaded. I have a cable connection with 12Mbps down, but it throttles up to 15Mbps when downloading large files. I'll report again when its done and look at the logs on my router to see if I see anything interesting there.

FYI, I think this has to do with the production date, whether or not you need an update. On the back of my player is says it was made "2007-10", October obviously, which coincides with the firmware revision numbers.

To be honest, and like someone else already said - we cannot tell what this "download" is doing. It's not the same a your standard computer you're using to stay on this site.

But, let's assume it is - you can use this calculation to see your approx. download speed (don't use internet speed tests, they are wrong).

To figure your download speed do this (check your sync speed on your router, in kilobits):
"87.5% of [your sync speed] divided by 8"

ie: that 12.5% is just information and doesn't count as the payload.

That should be pretty close to the max you see when your downloading files using http, ftp, etc. But as mentioned, this is not your standard computer pulling down a file.
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Hey Nomb, if you could run the tests that Sileas talks about BEFORE applying your firmware update, that'd be great. The group would like to see some test results from the other firmware version.

Unfortunately, mine is the one that most others have, so i can't help here.
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You may not see it for another month, given the availability of the players. You could always try calling samsung support.

Then again, look on the back of your player in the bottom right hand corner. If it was made in 2007-11 you probably do not need the update.

Thanks for the info.

Mine says 2007-11, so hopefully you're correct and it will be the new one. In the mean time, I'm still awaiting my cable and adapter.

I just hope that the updates are posted to the web at the same time they're available via the player's LAN port. I certainly "expect" this, but I don't have experience with Samsung in this regard.

Thanks,

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Sorry about the somewhat Off topic post, but the only HD-DVD i have right now is the 300 (combo HD on one side, SD on the other).

When i stick the HD side into the UP-5000 (the only HD player i've ever used), it doesn't have a starting "menu" like normal DVDs have. It just goes straight into the movie and the "disc menu" work the same as the "popup menu/title menu" button in that it pops up a menu overlaid on the menu.

Is this how all HD-DVDs work? One of the reasons i'm asking is that there's no way to change the audio type using this menu. There's also no way to get to "previews" or whatnot on the HD side (Not that i'm complaining about this last part mind you.

The SD side has the standard menu, previews, etc.

I'm not sure if it's the player or if it's just my misunderstanding of what i should be able to see/do. I'm betting on the latter, but i just want to be sure.

Thanks.
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Sorry about the somewhat Off topic post, but the only HD-DVD i have right now is the 300 (combo HD on one side, SD on the other).

When i stick the HD side into the UP-5000 (the only HD player i've ever used), it doesn't have a starting "menu" like normal DVDs have. It just goes straight into the movie and the "disc menu" work the same as the "popup menu/title menu" button in that it pops up a menu overlaid on the menu.

Is this how all HD-DVDs work? One of the reasons i'm asking is that there's no way to change the audio type using this menu. There's also no way to get to "previews" or whatnot on the HD side (Not that i'm complaining about this last part mind you.

The SD side has the standard menu, previews, etc.

I'm not sure if it's the player or if it's just my misunderstanding of what i should be able to see/do. I'm betting on the latter, but i just want to be sure.

Thanks.

Most Warner Bros titles just start playing the movie. Universal studio titles will start with the movie menu.
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Sorry Tango, I've already updated.

New System Information Screen:

S/W: 071108.02_1020_0924.11_XAA
Region: A/1 (BD/DVD)

Downloading took about 21 minutes
During "Now, Processing" it took only about 2 and a half minutes

Transformers is taking forever to do a web enabled update. Anyone else experience that?

Also, my bluray Live Free or Die Hard does not work. When I put the disk in I get a screen from the disc that says my player needs a firmware update. I've seen others post about this. Wonder if its just us that have had to update?
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