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I should have been more meticulous perhaps with zoom and exact frames, but after I did one source I got lazy and just tried to remember that exact frame on the 2nd.

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Some more audio updates

Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds - BR

1. Very odd here
5000 --bitstream audiophile
5000 -- Dolby TrueHD
Integra display -- multichannel 96 kHz
2 channel for surrounds only

2.
5000 --bitstream audiophile
5000 -- PCM Stereo
Integra display --Direct 48 kHz
2 channel for FR/FL as expected

3.
5000 --bitstream audiophile
5000 -- Dolby Digital
Integra display --Dolby Digital
All 5 channels

4.
5000 --bitstream reencode
5000 -- Dolby TrueHD
Integra display -- DTS
FR/FL

5. 5000 --bitstream reencode
5000 -- PCM Stereo
Integra display --PLII Music
FR/FL/C

6.5000 --bitstream reencode
5000 -- Dolby Digital 5.1
Integra display -- DTS
FR/FL
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I'm not sure if this will help any, but here are pictures from the movie Breach. First source is the A2 and the 2nd is the 5000. Both set at 1080i going through my Integra to my Samsung 1080p TV using the same HDMI cables

A2


5000


I really can't tell the difference.

These scenes would not show any difference here either. What we need is scenes that already contain film grain and have bright aspects to it. Aerial shots of the snow in chapter 3 of Transformers would be a good example.

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I really don't understand what the confusion is...

Right now:

*this unit dosen't decode DTS HD MA or THD. It does not bitstream them either.

*there are reported disc compatibility issues(Fox titles)

*there are reported video issues regarding excessive grain or added grain.

*there is reported 128mb of memory...maybe more

*calls have been made to Samsung regarding audio issues(decoding and bitstreaming) with conflicting reports that it is in the works or will be looked at later.

is that about the short and skinny of it?

Amen!

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Bottom line...... out of the box no Bitstream for DTS-Master Audio...No Bitstream TrueHD (2 channel don't count) Is there any other reason to justify everything else..No unless you are not a true Audiophile. then its a wonderful player.....great sound but not superior.....thats what I want...not enternet jabber with the movie..I want great Picture and superior sound....if it doesn't have it then hey...not in to second best!

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I really don't understand what the confusion is...

Right now:

*this unit dosen't decode DTS HD MA or THD. It does not bitstream them either.

*there are reported disc compatibility issues(Fox titles)

*there are reported video issues regarding excessive grain or added grain.

*there is reported 128mb of memory...maybe more

*calls have been made to Samsung regarding audio issues(decoding and bitstreaming) with conflicting reports that it is in the works or will be looked at later.

is that about the short and skinny of it?

All Samsung (or LG, for that matter) needs to do to get my money is to address the 2 bolded concerns. I am thinking I may be owning a RX-V3800 soon, and am content with the receiver doing the decoding.

Also, if I am plopping down 800 bucks I want it to be hardware compliant with BD-Live. I am not one to buy a new player every year.

Waiting for my 2012 upgrade...
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So I burned the HD DVD test image (to a DVD+R) from w6rz dot net that is mentioned in some of the other HD DVD player threads. The disc is recognized by the drive as an HD DVD. I was able to play it partly through when it seemed to freeze in the middle of a test. I powered the player off/on and it froze again this time at a different point further in the disc. Not sure if it would have been better to burn it to a DVD-R or what. Also a lot of the images had a pink'ish tint. I need to do some research as to what the expected result is for the various test patterns, I can't find any explanations on the site itself.
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Can anubody tell me what is the diffrence between TV and Monitor in the HDMI setup? When connected to my VP30 I cannot access the monitor option, anybody know why?

Regards
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I would like to know this as well. I've tried searching, but I haven't able to pull up anything other than a mention in a review of how the manual doesn't explain what this is (which is true.) Could someone please clarify this? It appears to have something to do with black level, but I'm not clear what the manual means by "TV" vs "Monitor."

Regarding the inability to access the "Monitor" option, the manual says "If the player is connected to a TV, the Monitor option is unavailable." Unfortunately, I don't know what this means.

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All Samsung (or LG, for that matter) needs to do to get my money is to address the 2 bolded concerns. I am thinking I may be owning a RX-V3800 soon, and am content with the receiver doing the decoding.

Also, if I am plopping down 800 bucks I want it to be hardware compliant with BD-Live. I am not one to buy a new player every year.

BH200 has confirmed 1GB flash, look at the chip information 8Gbit = 1GB (BD-Live ready). Not sure if it requires a firmware update to make it visible, or if it's already.

EDIT - Again:
I withdrew the rest, we do not need another rant against the player. This is only applicable to the people who may have read it. For those who did not, ignore this.

The point is: We have another player on the market with BD-Live capability, if your choice is influenced by this.
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Some more audio updates

Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds - BR

1. Very odd here
5000 --bitstream audiophile
5000 -- Dolby TrueHD
Integra display -- multichannel 96 kHz
2 channel for surrounds only

That is odd. Sounds like the bitstream extractor got confused on the 96K and misassigned the channels.

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4.
5000 --bitstream reencode
5000 -- Dolby TrueHD
Integra display -- DTS
FR/FL

Thanks for the confirmation - FAQ updated.

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5. 5000 --bitstream reencode
5000 -- PCM Stereo
Integra display --PLII Music
FR/FL/C

I'm guessing that the 5000 does not bother to reencode something that it can already pass just fine. I'm actually glad to see that, unless I am missing something.
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6.5000 --bitstream reencode
5000 -- Dolby Digital 5.1
Integra display -- DTS
FR/FL

That is an odd one. A 5.1 source reencoded to 2? odd.

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Ok. The Frakin' FAQ is moving along, but what is missing?

I am now (officially) open to suggestions for pages and info that is missing.

I know that I still need to flesh out more on the internal components section with chip part numbers, etc. but I'll get to that this weekend, because I think I will crack the lid since my confidence in keeping the player is very high.

A few thing about the FAQ:

I am trying to make it a bit less FAQ-ish in that it is not just a series of questions, but I'm trying to make it a bit more factual and educational. On the flip side, I am trying to put together various conjectures that help to understand why the player does what it does and provide insight as to why the player is what it is now, and I am trying to mark any conjectures as such.

Also, if you see a "TBD" somewhere on the FAQ, please feel free to test it out and let me know the result.

Thanks!

I'm going to be offline for awhile going out to see a movie with my wife. Be back on a few hours from now.

I have asked a couple of times but fear it has been buried in the flow of posts to this thread, or is too difficult for most people to test. But i would like someone to confirm whether it can play PAL format DVDs or not... this is an important considerations for us aussies. Chances are it doesnt but until someone confirms that I can still hang onto that small glimmer of hope

Do you think you could add this TBD to your FAQ and hopefully someone will eventually be in a position to test it?

If it helps any, here is a link listing some methods to convert an NTSC DVD to PAL although it looks kind of long winded! Hopefully someone just has a PAL DVD!! http://www.videohelp.com/guides/cate...ions-4;41#4;41
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Got mine last night and watched Ratatouille. A couple of issues. 1080i over component. Digital audio to Lexicon MC-8
Also a little bit of SD including Video Essentials.

1) Bluray looked fine
2) black level on SD was way off - fixed by calibrating on video processor
3) every few minutes a mini sound drop occurred on Ratatouille - usually in full sounding scenes.
4) Remote seemed to hang at times
5) Manual says SD should be 480i when 1080i is selected but it came out 480P.

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I just ran into a couple audio glitches with the standard def. DVD of Star Wars Episode III. It had been running for a couple minutes in chapter 2 when the audio suddenly dropped out for a about half second and returned. I back up and played this spot again, and it played through normally this time.

A little while later I used the "|<<" key to back up to the beginning of chapter 2. The audio played for a couple seconds, then I heard another short dropout. I hit the |<< key again and the same thing happened. I hit it a third time (each time starting at the beginning of Ch. 2), and this time the audio did NOT drop out -- it played normally.

I've seen all the audio issue posts here, but I don't remember seeing any that reported audio dropping out with a regular DVD. This DVD is absolutely pristine.

I was using the optical output with the 5000 set to "Bitstream Audiophile," and was listening to the DD 5.1 track.

I have since been watching the Casino Royale (2006) BD, and I've had zero audio issues.

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I have asked a couple of times but fear it has been buried in the flow of posts to this thread, or is too difficult for most people to test. But i would like someone to confirm whether it can play PAL format DVDs or not... this is an important considerations for us aussies. Chances are it doesnt but until someone confirms that I can still hang onto that small glimmer of hope

Do you think you could add this TBD to your FAQ and hopefully someone will eventually be in a position to test it?

If it helps any, here is a link listing some methods to convert an NTSC DVD to PAL although it looks kind of long winded! Hopefully someone just has a PAL DVD!! http://www.videohelp.com/guides/cate...ions-4;41#4;41

I've actually got a couple of region 2 PAL DVDs since my computers and modded Xbox 1 all have region-free players. I'll let you know how it goes when I get the 5000, but I'm on vacation now so that won't happen until after Christmas.

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Hi
this is my first post on your forum.
There is a lot of interest in this player in the UK (over 1350 posts in the UK forum) and this thread is being watched very closely and I would like to thank the likes of SileasResearch for their input.

With regards to scarecrow420, this player should be available in the UK in March 08 and that will be pal compatable and hopefully with all the latest firmware in it !!!

Once again thanks for a very informative thread
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4) When I switch video mode to 1080i, I am seeing a disturbing effect. There is a vertical bar that slowly traverses the screen moving from left to right continuously. Hard to describe but as this bar moves across the screen, what ever image is under it at changes tint color. The bar is most noticeable on dark scenes. I tried shifting my cables around to see if it was interference or some sort of grounding issue but I cannot get rid of this slow moving abberation bar moving across the screen changing the tint color under it as it moves. Therefore the otherwise detailed excellent image is constantly changing color hue or tint. Faces for example change from a pinkish flesh tone to a greenish tint to them as the bar moves over them.

This only happens when I play HD discs at 1080i through the component inputs/outputs. It does not happen when I play a SD DVD. It makes me worried that I have a defective unit???? Sileas, you use component connections right? Can you see if your setup shows this slow scanning vertical bar moving across the screen in dark scenes? I am wondering if it is my Sony XBR34 TV bad shielding or picking up interference from something or other.


And if someone can test to see if they get that vertical bar problem I described above on their units when using 1080i and component outputs?

If you look in the AVS archives there are threads about the scrolling bar problems on Sony XBRs at 1080i only If this is a first time you've sent your set a 1080i signal that might very well be what you are seeing. Your description certainly sounds consistent with it.
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That's interesting.....I just watched the third Pirate movie ( I forget the name) in LPCM and had the opposite results. Similar setup as you.....when I listened to the track over optical it sounded fine....also applying PLIIX. When I switched to analog the sound was better....fuller and I felt I heard more details, especially in the rear channels. The only thing I have different is my processor will handle analog the same way it does bitstream in that it allows crossovers for each channel, speaker distance, channel trim.....etc.

This was the first time I've listened to LPCM and I was very impressed.

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Oh yeah, Guys...please lets not turn this thread into two sides arguing with each other as to why they should or shouldn't keep their players. Lets just keep the info coming in and everyone can make their own decisions as to whether or not the player is worthy of their money.

Ok, I'm glad it is working as billed. What I'm hearing may have something to do with my equipment.
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If you look in the AVS archives there are threads about the scrolling bar problems on Sony XBRs at 1080i only If this is a first time you've sent your set a 1080i signal that might very well be what you are seeing. Your description certainly sounds consistent with it.

Hey Thanks for pointing that out to me DoctorO! I feel better that it is not the 5000 player doing it. But not good about the old expensive Sony XBR34 doing it. It is the first time feeding it 1080i, so I never noticed it before this.
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I would like to know this as well. I've tried searching, but I haven't able to pull up anything other than a mention in a review of how the manual doesn't explain what this is (which is true.) Could someone please clarify this? It appears to have something to do with black level, but I'm not clear what the manual means by "TV" vs "Monitor."

Regarding the inability to access the "Monitor" option, the manual says "If the player is connected to a TV, the Monitor option is unavailable." Unfortunately, I don't know what this means.

Thanks,

Larry

I have not been able to verify this so it is still a guess. I think it is a setting to control color range. With HDMI/DVI there is either a range of 16-235 or 0-255. I think in this case TV = 16-235 and Monitor = 0-255. When the player handshakes it is probably determining that the device wants the TV setting. I would think if you attacted it to a DVI (HDCP) device it would give you the option of which to select. As long as you are able to see BTB and WTW you should be able to calibrate properly and not have an issue.
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I posted this before but had no reply so I'll try again. Can someone confirm whether you can have all speakers large (full bandwidth) and STILL have under 100 go to the sub? thx and sorry if I missed the answer
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I will do a test later, but most likely you are not used to such a discrete sound, or your speaker setup is such that you are getting spatial holes. Going through the downmix and Prologic, you are getting a sound that is smeared all around the room, which can make it seem "fuller" for a setup that doesn't really do that on its own. Also, run the test tones in the player to make sure you really have your analog outputs connected correctly.

FWIW, on mine it seems bass and low tones are significantly diminished with the LPCM track on the analogs compared to over regular digital. In other words, the subwoofer seemingly is underutilized.
Again, this may be something with my equipment, but, I would encourage anybody that's interested to test it.
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I just got off the phone with Samsung support. I went up to a 3rd level/person (tho he identified himself as level 2). He indicated that the manual is correct in stating that speakers can be set to large and get full bandwidth at the same time that the sub is getting signals below 100 hz. Maybe someone on this forum can confirm that with an actual test. Of course it still leaves the question of how effectively I can use my sub settings to make this work in a seamless manner. Is this a partial workaround to the 100 hz issue? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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I just got off the phone with Samsung support. I went up to a 3rd level/person (tho he identified himself as level 2). He indicated that the manual is correct in stating that speakers can be set to large and get full bandwidth at the same time that the sub is getting signals below 100 hz. Maybe someone on this forum can confirm that with an actual test. Of course it still leaves the question of how effectively I can use my sub settings to make this work in a seamless manner. Is this a partial workaround to the 100 hz issue? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Yes, please test. With mine, on analogs with an LPCM track I'm not hearing much bass or low tones. Maybe setting everything to large is the answer but it goes against everything else I've read..
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I have asked a couple of times but fear it has been buried in the flow of posts to this thread, or is too difficult for most people to test. But i would like someone to confirm whether it can play PAL format DVDs or not... this is an important considerations for us aussies. Chances are it doesnt but until someone confirms that I can still hang onto that small glimmer of hope

Do you think you could add this TBD to your FAQ and hopefully someone will eventually be in a position to test it?

If it helps any, here is a link listing some methods to convert an NTSC DVD to PAL although it looks kind of long winded! Hopefully someone just has a PAL DVD!! http://www.videohelp.com/guides/cate...ions-4;41#4;41


I own some PAL region 0 DVDs, will let you know later tonight.

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Heh..
Just got the Blade runner five disk HD DVD set. Cracked it open and there is an insert inside saying...

IMPORTANT NOTICE
This BluRay disc is manufactured to.......


Guess they know I recently turned purple!
Actually all the disks ARE HD DVD, so they just gave me the incorrect insert. My heart skipped a beat for a second, thinking some of the disks may be Blu, but then I remembered, I have a 5K!
I'm on my way to a fancy snowcat 5 couse Christams dinner at Paralax (resturant at the top of the mountain) with the big wheels @ Mammoth, so I will not be able to watch it untill I get back.
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May I ask why you chose the HD-DVD version over the BluRay version? Just curious. Sorry for the off topic post. You can PM me if you like instead of answering here.
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FWIW, on mine it seems bass and low tones are significantly diminished with the LPCM track on the analogs compared to over regular digital. In other words, the subwoofer seemingly is underutilized.
Again, this may be something with my equipment, but, I would encourage anybody that's interested to test it.

I'm waiting for my player to arrive so therefore can't perform this test, but I have been wondering if we would see reduced bass from the analog audio interface. My receiver (Sony STR-DA4ES) has a setting for the analog multichannel inputs to bump the bass up by 10db "for DVD players as the bass level is 10db lower than SACD players" (quotes from the receiver manual).

One way I believe you can check this if you have calibration disc like AVIA and a SPL meter is to play the bass calibration section through the coax/optical interface, and then switch to the analog input and see if the level is down and by how much. Also check your receiver to see if it has the 10db bass boost feature for multichannel inputs.

If folks don't have the tools necessary to to this test I'll do it and post the results when my player arrives but it may be 2 - 3 weeks.

Doug
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I had my first playback problem tonight... although it was minor.

Smokin' Aces HD-DVD (entertaining movie... and I'm a big fan of Alicia Keyes)

For the first few minutes (17 or so), it totally "stuttered" or "skipped"... both audio and video would "pause" ... I stopped the disc and checked for smudges, scratches, etc. None found.

I then restarted playback at the chapter i stopped on and playback was normal. for the rest of the movie, there were two more places where the same playback problem happened. I didn't note the times, because they were so momentary and I didn't want to get up to look at the player.

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this happened to me during pirates...rewind and replay stopped the problem...(not too happy about this)
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Has anyone checked to see if the 5000 will output 1080i over component when playing a SD disc? Based upon reading the manual, it is unclear and it also may be affected if the player is also attached via HDMI so the test would be only attached via component. I thought I read a post a ways back that indicated that it did, but just wanted to see what others are seeing.

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Xantech IR Repeater Won't Work

Anyone else by any chance use a Xantech IR repeater and does it work with the 5000.
Mine will not.

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