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post #13591 of 13655 Old 07-10-2014, 09:41 AM
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I use Bitstream; don't know of any other Lionsgate that I own; maybe Glory?

Know it is Sony with TrueHD.
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OK, I remembered if you up-load you Blu rays over @ Blu-ray.com, with a profile, you may sort by Studio.
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Glory (Sony & Dolby TrueHD) played fine.

The following 3 are All Lionsgate & dts-HD 5.1:

Thomas Misery ;-) Island Rescue would Not load.

Cold Mountain is fine, So Far

The Conspirator played fine for the first part, didn't watch the whole thing; the Good parts are Front-loaded in that film anyway...
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The Pacific Blu ray 5 discs played with NO issues.

Letters from Iwo Jima Blu ray had some sound dropout issues after Pause with TrueHD track; had to select 5.1 DD track through pop up menu & re-select TrueHD to get sound to return.
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HD DVD Flags of Our Fathers played with NO Issues; Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 (1.5 Mbps), superior sound to Blu ray Dolby Digital (640 kbps)...
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Gods & Generals Directors Cut Blu ray, Transformers Dark of the Moon Blu (Dolby TrueHD 7.1), Kelly's Heroes Blu:

All played with No issues.

Spider-Man 3 Blu ray (Sony) Froze repeatedly on both Dolby TrueHD & LPCM.

Played in the LG with No issues.

Will prolly go back to using the LG for ALL Blu ray & HD DVD on this unit; don't have the Toshiba HD-XA2 hooked up just now.
I'm watching SM III and so far no issues with PCM or DDTHD. BTW with this disc the best option is probably PCM unless your AVR has a funky blue led that comes on with HD audio (PCM is HD, but for some reason Denon decided to not turn on the light since it is not a decoded lossless codec). Anyhow DDTHD should be safe also since it is primarily 7.1 DDTHD discs that have issues. Why you did not have issues with "Bark at the Moon" I have now idea. Anyhow if you were to internal decode DDTHD with this player i will output PCM 7.1 and negate being able to +PLIIx for the surround back channels. I assume if you place the player in PCM and select PCM that it will output correctly...yup PCM+PCM is correct. Select PCM in player then DDTHD on disc=PCM 7.1 in=bad
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Glory (Sony & Dolby TrueHD) played fine.

The following 3 are All Lionsgate & dts-HD 5.1:

Thomas Misery ;-) Island Rescue would Not load.

Cold Mountain is fine, So Far

The Conspirator played fine for the first part, didn't watch the whole thing; the Good parts are Front-loaded in that film anyway...
Sorry about Thomas the Tank Engine. Could be one that got missed, or your loader could just be picky. When I had problems with Lionsgate the discs would load, but have skipping and freezing in the movie. So I bet that particular title it an issue? Did you try reloading and/or cold starting? That one is in Amazon Prime, so no biggie. Still if someone can verify I can report it.
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The Pacific Blu ray 5 discs played with NO issues.

Letters from Iwo Jima Blu ray had some sound dropout issues after Pause with TrueHD track; had to select 5.1 DD track through pop up menu & re-select TrueHD to get sound to return.
I would not expect ANY issues with ANY HBOs, but you never know. With LFIJ BD that would be a good case to use internal decode (though you will have the 7.1/5.1 issue). I own the HD not the BD.
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Spider-Man 3 Blu ray (Sony) Froze repeatedly on both Dolby TrueHD & LPCM.
If you could give me some timestamps that would help greatly as I don't want to watch this all the way through. I need to find some high action scened further than an hour in to test. Generally when I have seen a loader go it has more issues on the second layer than the 1st. That is if it is a dual layer disc (BD50 VS BD25).
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I played the fight/action scene at the first and now watching the sand monster scene about 2 hours in near the end (probably the loudest this disc gets) and no issues with DDTHD. I opted for that since I have rarely seen (heard) dropouts with a LPCM track. There are discs that decode improperly, but that is a discussion for another day (Vicky Christy Barcelona).
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My issues with thd are after pausing; but how the west was won Blu dthd played wo issues through many pauses tonight
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No Blue light on the Denon 3312; 3311 does have Blue light for DSX.

My Sony, c. 2001, has Blue light for 6.1, but I'm using it as an amp now.

I'd pay Extra for that Blue light as it is so cool.
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My issues with thd are after pausing; but how the west was won Blu dthd played wo issues through many pauses tonight
OIC. That's usually a Dvr bug. Firmware? Try the mode standard button on your denon remote. I have same issue with some dtdhdma discs and my 1909. Also has the Disney dtshdma echo chamber bug.
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Latest Firmware for both; no big deal as I have another Blu player inches away, which has no such issues.
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mr.kludge, do you think the Blu ray picture Q of this unit still superior to most Blu ray players?

Don't mean Oppo or other expensive units.
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I'd say equivalent; for both Blu-rays and HD DVDs. That HQV Reon VX-50 video processor is fine.

* How long it's been now, seven years? ...And that Duo 5000 had a recent firmware update? ...Wow! ...Not too shabby Samsong.
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mr.kludge, do you think the Blu ray picture Q of this unit still superior to most Blu ray players?

Don't mean Oppo or other expensive units.
Yes for sure. It was/is ahead of its time. I am sure that Opoopoo and some other high end players are better (but way more expensive compared to what I paid for even my most expensive 5K and LG BH200). As NorthSky mentioned the Reon processor in the 5K is mighty fine. It is for sure way better PQ than any run-o-the-mill player now even approaching a few hundred and besides it plays HD-DVDs AND does an awesome job upscaling/converting DVDs. I doubt many contemporary BD players bother with making the PQ of DVDs almost as good as early HDs and BDs as that is not the focus now.
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Hi all, sorry to interrupt your Summer siestas.

Both Under the Skin and The Grand Budapest Hotel loaded up and played without a hitch. Both rentals from the big red box (and I wasn't the 1st to rent them by a long shot based on the greasy prints on both of them). And free ones to boot. Anyhow UtS is the single weirdest/strangest move I have seen since Eraserhead and that is saying a lot since I generally like/love odd/weird/different/strange movies (Eraserhead still gives me the creeps when I watch it and for that reason I have never bought it on any format). Not weird in a bad way, but strange in a "I think I am going to have to watch that one again" way. I doubt I would ever buy it though. As it was I had to rewatch several parts several times due to both my being distracted and also a little dense and not getting what was going on. I will leave it at that and interested what others think. It is for sure filmed interesting and the soundtrack is really surreal which makes for a decent HT title. Not reference, but still different than most things out there. At times it is a very visually stunning flick, which is good since there is next to no dialogue. A warning though, if you are shocked to see phallus then I would stay away from this film. You will see quite a few during this film. On the flip side you get to see Scarlett fully naked several times so it makes up for the former ;-)

The Grand Budapest is a must own title for two reasons. First if you are a Wes Anderson fan it is one of his best. I would say that Rushmore is my favorite, followed by this one then by Moonrise Kingdom and then The Royal Tenenbaums. I ordered up all of his other films on Criterion that I don't already own or just ordered on the B&N sale. I have owned Rushmore for some time now also Moonrise Kingdom and The Fantastic Mr. Fox (on both the original Fox release and recently picked up the Criterion). I also have the original DVD of Bottle Rocket (a full screen on one side widescreen on the other flip disc). I have been wanting to pick up The Royal..., The Life Aquatic.., and The Darjeeling Limited for some time now and found some great deals on all of those recently. I also got a great deal in a Bottle Rocket, so I figured what the heck might as well complete the collection. Now I just need to wait for Moonrise and Grand to get the Criterion treatment and I can double dip on those also. The 2nd reason that it's a must own is that the film is in three different aspect ratios used for the various time periods depicted in the film. It is also the only BD I am aware of that is in true Academy 1:37...:1. I could be wrong there as I don't own many older films that were filmed in that ratio. It's fun to see the different time periods in the different ratios and the film is also somewhat of a history of when those aspects were first used in films (you will need to read up on that). There is as much going on in that movie in the way it was filmed as in the story line. I'm sure there are tons of things I missed while watching it as it is chock full of references, jokes etc. i will for sure be buying this one (it also features many of my favorite actors). Probably a cheep ex-rental since I want to spend the good cash on the Criterion IF and WHEN they release it. Oh and it's just a good over all film, so I guess that is 3 reasons, but I'm afraid you have to be at least somewhat a fan of Anderson's works to appreciate it. My wife liked Moonrise... ok and she can't stand any of the other films.

Ok, back to The Strain.......
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Yes for sure. It was/is ahead of its time. I am sure that Opoopoo and some other high end players are better (but way more expensive compared to what I paid for even my most expensive 5K and LG BH200). As NorthSky mentioned the Reon processor in the 5K is mighty fine. It is for sure way better PQ than any run-o-the-mill player now even approaching a few hundred and besides it plays HD-DVDs AND does an awesome job upscaling/converting DVDs. I doubt many contemporary BD players bother with making the PQ of DVDs almost as good as early HDs and BDs as that is not the focus now.

My only problem with my 5000 is that mine stopped playing Blu-ray discs about a month after the warranty period was over. It still plays HD-DVD's and DVDs, but no Blu-rays at all. I since bought an OPPO BDP-93 and it's been fabulous for both Blu-ray and DVD. I still use the Samsung for HD-DVD's.
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My only problem with my 5000 is that mine stopped playing Blu-ray discs about a month after the warranty period was over. It still plays HD-DVD's and DVDs, but no Blu-rays at all. I since bought an OPPO BDP-93 and it's been fabulous for both Blu-ray and DVD. I still use the Samsung for HD-DVD's.
Ya, that's a very common ailment with this player. I have rarely seen one that looses the HD-DVD portion. THe BD laser in this unit seems to be the most fragile part. My original loader in my workhorse main player developed an issue where it would not play a couple Lionsgate titles I had at the time. Wallace and Grommet was the 1st one I played that would not load and in fact the player was fine before I tried to play that disc. This was to long after the player was left on with a disc in for nearly a week in really hot July temps with the a/c set to 85 and while we had hardwood installed. The system was covered in plastic, but that did not keep everything out. The neighborhood children that were in charge of our house watched a movie and did not get the player turned off. I replaced it with an '08 loader that I sourced from a seller on eBay (along with a bunch of other parts). That one developed an issue where it would not play through the 2nd layer of long (over ~2.5 hour) dual layer discs A.I. and The Secret World or Arriety (or one of those Miyazaki movies) I think were a couple that had issues. I then swapped it for my current loader that came from a broken player I bought on eBay. The seller let me know that the player had hardly been used and that the original owner complained that it stopped working not long after they bought it. This person was some sort of a/v dealer. Anyhow turns out to be the best loader I have ever had. Before 1.7 and learning how to get the loader code to the correct one it did not play through hammered HDs as well as a couple of my other players and loaders (still my original one and the first '08 surplus one I mentioned before do a little better job on hammered HDs). I used to have an island of lost 5k loaders, but donated all of the partially working ones to good will when I moved and probably tossed a few others. I had dozens of them sent to me by my eBay source until they ran out and just paid for the ones that worked fully. I kept the original and 1st '08 I put in my main player since they mostly work. The original I opened up, cleaned it out and lubed the rails. It's way quiet now, but still has the exact same issues. Haven't rocked it in years so I wonder what new discs/titles it and it's younger brother would choke on.
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mr.kludge, what do you do for watching 3D Blu-ray movies?
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mr.kludge, what do you do for watching 3D Blu-ray movies?
Nothing. My opinion of 3D is that it is a gimmick that I'm not interested in. I do have some that just require the blue/red lenses and I have some glasses for that. My Yammy SACD/DVD-Audio/BD player is 3D capable but I don't have a 3D TV (or a smart one for that matter, another marketing gimmick) or a 3D capable AVR. Also my son is sight impaired and 3D does next to nothing for him, though he did say that he could see a little of the effects in How to Train Your Dragon 2 which we went to a free screening of.

When I have tried the various 3D stuff (including in the theater) I found that it distracted from the experience, though I have to admit that I have seen a few flicks that were filmed with 3D in mind, like Avatar and a couple others that were somewhat impressive. Mostly though it just gives me a headache and hurts my eyes.

I have other reasons that I haven't gone 3D. First everything costs more; media, players, AVRs, TVs and then you have to deal with those darned glasses. Also 3D takes away from brightness, contrast, color saturation and currently cuts the resolution in half.

It will also be quite some time until I take any sort of 4K plunge. Perhaps if they ever get the tech for 3D that does not require glasses like the Nintendo 3DS and a few TVs I have seen demonstrated, I might buy into it if it's not a big hit in cost. I will probably buy a 4K TV when the one I rock now finally dies, if ever.
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Thank you for your cooperation. ...Robocop 2D.
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Both Winters Tale and Non-stop loaded and played fine. Winters... loaded ultra fast with the ability to skip right to the menu rather than watch the previews. Non-stop had semi-forced previews, but you can skip through them. Both movies a worth a free or discounted rental, but not worthy of purchase. Both were interesting and entertaining, but not much after that. Non-stop is good up until near the end. I can think of at least a hundred ways that they could have made it better and less predictable, but this is a movie made for the lowest common denominator American movie goer that would probably rather be texting on their phone or posting to twitter than watching any sort of quality cinema. Winters... was interesting, but has some pretty hokey ideas that I just could not get past. It didn't even pull on my heart strings that much.

Ok that's the end of this weekends technical and theatrical review of BDs currently in the big red box. At least I get my exercise walking to and from it picking up and returning movies.
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I have a 3D TV, Cable Box, 3D Blu Player LG that I bought with my 1st 3D TV, which was Passive LG 65"; when it went out in less... (end iPhone typing)

than a year & could not be repaired LG gave me my money back, plus some for shipping & tax I did NOT pay...so, I pocketed $1000 & bought a 60" Panasonic Plasma 3D, which has better picture than the LG...

Have 3 (Three) 3D Blu rays (one FREE from dts); only have 1 pair glasses (Samsung, but compatible), as no one else cares (have 13, or so for the broken LG)

very little 3D Cable content from Comcast & it is all ON-Demand, ESPN 3D is Tango Uniform...

watched one 3D Music Video on YouTube...

there is some FREE on-line content from Panasonic that is good fun, but all 3D is GIMMICK, or Novelty, at best...

too much work to watching a full length movie...

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Thank you for your cooperation. ...Robocop 2D.
As long as it is the original. The remake is ok for about 1/3 of the movie, then goes downhill from there. The special effects are good, other than that....blaaaaa
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To add to what I said above, with a Smart 3D TV, you will get 3D content not available elsewhere; perhaps not even on a Smart 3D Blu ray player of the same brand (@ least not with LG, I've not tried a Panasonic Smart 3D Blu player).
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You generally get more for your money if you just buy a non-3D TV that is not a smart one. A Roku is less than $100 and gives you everything and more that a Smart TV would give you (at least for media). Better to just use a laptop, tablet or phone for other Internet stuff. If you want the ability to play all sorts of media content a RaspberryPI is only about $25 bucks and will do everything that a more than $100 Western Digital or other media player will give you. Both the Roku and PI can stream content from a media server as well if you are into that sort of thing. Anyhow thats what I use for all my media; Comcast cable box, Roku, Pi, my trusty 5K and of course my newish Yammy universal player (for everything currently on the market except no HDCD).
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As long as it is the original. The remake is ok for about 1/3 of the movie, then goes downhill from there. The special effects are good, other than that....blaaaaa
But of course; the last newly Remastered/Director's Cut (January 2014) one.
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But of course; the last newly Remastered/Director's Cut (January 2014) one.
Duh!
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