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mr.kludge's Avatar mr.kludge 11:22 PM 07-30-2014
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post
Correct as to what they don't play on bd-up5000; don't think firmware issue, but rather Warner HD DVD issue.

The One (1) time I watched Swordfish may, or may not, have been on the a30; I disremember at this time.

Google DVD2Blu
No issues here with either Swordfish or The Departed HD-DVDs. My Swordfish is a normal HD-DVD. The Departed is a combo flip disc and I think I recall testing this for you or someone else at one time.

Either you are just way unlucky with WB HDs or something else strange is going on? High heat or humidity? Storing Horizontal rather than vertical as the optical gods intended (that one is a joke, I don't think it matters). Or maybe you purchased yours early on and they have rotted? I think my Swordfish I bought used but can't remember the source, however I am almost certain that The Departed I purchased new. It's got some dust, dirt and marks on it, not sure why except back in the early days I kept the OBI strip in and getting in the case is a little tough without getting your greasy fingers on the disc.

Anyhow I didn't buy any players or discs until many months after the demise of HD and I collected over several years and still pick a few up here and there. however many of the used and previous rental discs I have I am sure were manufactured and originally put into operation in the heyday. I have yet to run into any of my discs that won't load or play. I do have a couple that have damage from being previously rented and have a few skips and whatnot. I am sure that there are at least a couple in there that may have worse issues as I have only had 1/4 to maybe 1/3 of my collection in a player and a good 50% of them or more are still sealed. So far only the two that you sent me won't play. Oh I take that back I did buy a couple not too long ago that had issues, but they would load and play, just not all the way through.

mr.kludge's Avatar mr.kludge 11:26 PM 07-30-2014
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You can send in those worthless HD DVDs I sent you to try.

I've got a few worthless to send, too.
Hey that's a great idea though I can't recall if I tried them in the A35 yet? I know I got it out a while back, but that might have been to make sure my recently acquired Bubble plays, which it does in the BH200 and the A35.

Anyhow you can have those back if you want. I could only get one of them (I think Wonka?) to even load a couple times. The Dukes...is dead, which is no great loss.
SanchoPanza's Avatar SanchoPanza 11:29 PM 07-30-2014
Thank you, friend. Do what you will with them.
NorthSky's Avatar NorthSky 11:37 PM 07-30-2014
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You can send in any commercially recorded DVD no porn in exchange; I'm gonna do about 8.

Saw those at Wally World...

Still have 2 DVD players in service one 1 36" SDTV & 1 32" 720p...will use the extra HD DVDs for a shop/second man cave... too many in my den sometimes...
I still have an older B&W round tubed TV somewhere, and some 'diaporamas' (slides), and 16mm films, and 35mm B&W photographs, and VHS tape machine recorders, and a CRT color TV (Panasonic GAOO 31").
DVD players, that too, a whole bunch of them. And I got many r.a.d.i.o.s. (AM / FM / Analog ...).
I even got a Hitachi LCD rear projector 50" widescreen.

Future Shop sometimes gives you $5 or $10 towards the purchase of some selected Blu-rays (some 3D titles too). ...Any DVD, and they gave them to schools, libraries, ...
NorthSky's Avatar NorthSky 11:52 PM 07-30-2014
Ok, here's one I hope many members here will read. ...This post.

Anyone has the DVD Criterion of 'Amarcord' (1973) by Federico Fellini ?

If anyone has that disc, try to play it and see what happens. Then report right here. Try it in all your players, not just the UP5000. ...DVD, HD DVD, Blu-ray, Dual HD, Universal, PS3 players, DVD drives, Blu-ray drives, everything anything that can play DVDs.
NorthSky's Avatar NorthSky 12:22 AM 08-01-2014
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Ok, I'll check 'Swordfish' HD DVD tonight in my UP5000.

And I'll check the HD DVD of 'The Departed' as well, for good measure.
They both load and play just nice. ...But I already knew that.
SanchoPanza's Avatar SanchoPanza 07:09 AM 08-01-2014
^^^ Good, very good. Hopefully, just my copies.
mr.kludge's Avatar mr.kludge 08:03 PM 08-01-2014
I have probably asked this before, but am I to assume that the 5k does not support xvYCC aka; Deep Color/x.v.Color Extended-gamut YCC? I have never seen a setting option for it, but I swear that Deep Color Support was on a feature set somewhere. Anyhow I have several of these new fangled "Remastered in 4k" double-dip BDs that claim xvYCC/Deep Color support. I can get everything to work with my Yammy>AVR>Sammy TV just fine and it looks great. However the best I can get out of the 5k is YCbCr 4:4:4 at a 12 bit pixel depth. My AVR reports what is coming in. The TV does not but has a xvYCC function that can be turned on, but should not be unless the signal is that. I suppose the new TVs might set all this automagically. Anyhow not a big deal since the Yammy supports it.

BTW - the ones I have collected so far are; Ghostbusters and Godzilla from Sony (both support DC) and Robocop (original) and The Terminator (both Fox and don't support DC). I might also have MIB, but I kinda sorta remember passing on that one since the reviews of the PQ improvement were not that favorable compared to the regular release. I probably have a bunch of other ones that have been "remastered in 4K" as many of the newer releases and recent double dips are even though some some studios don't make a big deal about it like Sony and kinda sorta a big deal like Fox.

In case you are wondering I can see a noticeable improvement in PQ with the Sony discs on the Yammy and they also look very good on the 5k compared to the regular releases even though it does not support DC that I can seem to enable or force. I would say that if any of the remastered ones are some of your favorite movies then sell your old and buy the new as they are worth every penny. Ghostbusters is one of my desert island movies and I did not own the original (US remake) of Godzilla before owning this one that I can remember. I have both the old and new of Ghostbusters, Robocop, and The Terminator. If you own the old Robocop use it as a coaster since it is basically worthless now and really is a bad transfer. Maybe good to show off how good a remaster can be?
mr.kludge's Avatar mr.kludge 10:27 PM 08-01-2014
This is a new problem that I have never seen on a Paramount before. If you care, NOAH will require some special startup. If you select PLAY you will get stuck with Slide Show scrolling on the display, but if you select chapter 1 movie starts right up without any extra screens. This is good since the disc loads way quick in fact about the quickest loading disc I have ever seen, but if you don't know the trick, no joy. Just got it going so I have no idea if it is going to be ok all the way through.

This is of course the rental from the big red box so mileage will vary if you purchase the retail version. Why you would do that is beyond me, but to each his own. I think if nothing else this flick will be good for some sh*ts and giggles. The beginning sequence in already laughable. Didn't waist much time before deviating form biblical accuracy. But I digress into religion and will stop...
SanchoPanza's Avatar SanchoPanza 10:54 PM 08-01-2014
mr.k I think more people read this than you think & will benefit from your advice...
SanchoPanza's Avatar SanchoPanza 03:27 PM 08-02-2014
Just put my BD-UP5000 out of service, because I'm using another Samsung Blu ray for Pandora & YouTube & both will turn on & off with the same remote.

Toshiba HD-XA2 up to bat.
mr.kludge's Avatar mr.kludge 06:41 PM 08-02-2014
NOAH played fine other than the start with chapter 1 trick. I have my opinions about the movie, but I will keep them to myself. Worth a rental. Great picture, special effects and also a great 7.1 soundtrack.
NorthSky's Avatar NorthSky 06:56 PM 08-02-2014
'Noah' loads just fine in my Oppo 103.

But! If ever (ever) I want to watch it from my UP5000 player, thx for the tip.
mr.kludge's Avatar mr.kludge 06:58 PM 08-02-2014
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'Noah' loads just mine in my Oppo 103.

But! If ever (ever) I want to watch it from my UP5000 player, thx for the tip.
You are welcome.
SanchoPanza's Avatar SanchoPanza 12:13 AM 08-04-2014
Cleaned off Swordfish & popped it into Toshiba HD-XA2. First 5 minutes played fine, then:

Cannot play the disc.
Error code: 408bc509

Will also try in A30, but, looks like the disc is bad.
mr.kludge's Avatar mr.kludge 03:32 PM 08-04-2014
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Cleaned off Swordfish & popped it into Toshiba HD-XA2. First 5 minutes played fine, then:

Cannot play the disc.
Error code: 408bc509

Will also try in A30, but, looks like the disc is bad.
Sancho. Would you mind sharing your environment and where you sourced your discs from? I can't seem to figure out why you have so many discs with issues, unless you are in a very hot climate and they are being left in the sun or it is very humid or damp or simply that your discs are mishandled and damaged? Or maybe you have just been hit by disc rot, which I used to think was a myth, but I have two discs from you that won't play. Bootlegs? B-stock, blems, clearance, ex. rentals???? I have yet to find a disc in my collection that won't play other than known buggy titles etc. And a couple recent really cheep buys online that had issues (but would load and play). How is your power? Have you had it tested or running things through a conditioner or UPS (I do both with most of my sensitive electronics).
SanchoPanza's Avatar SanchoPanza 03:47 PM 08-04-2014
Keep in mind the 2 I sent you NEVER played; I got from Amazon like all the others, save a few that came from Toshiba promo.

But, Jackson, Mississippi, is very hot & humid most summers (not this one, so far).

Even with A/C the temp sometimes gets above 80F., in my den.
mr.kludge's Avatar mr.kludge 03:55 PM 08-04-2014
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Keep in mind the 2 I sent you NEVER played; I got from Amazon like all the others, save a few that came from Toshiba promo.

But, Jackson, Mississippi, is very hot & humid most summers (not this one, so far).

Even with A/C the temp sometimes gets above 80F., in my den.
Could be a factor. The ones you sent me might have been bad when you sourced them. I have experienced way more problems with discs over that past couple of years not that they are getting on a decade old and could possibly have changed hands a few times. A friend of mine in the Pacific Northwest has cautioned me about many bootlegs that are out there. All of my sealed ones came from reliable sources so I am not concerned with them and all of my open/used/previously played or rented ones have been in a player to test (or at least most of them and all of them that I have bought the past coupe three years since I am paranoid they won't play). Many of the used ones on the market now folks have no way of testing and have been lying around who knows where for years. If they are indeed new and sealed and from a reliable source they should still play unless left in a bad environment, but I would hope that would not become a factor unless it was over say 100 degrees or so or direct sunlight. Sometimes my player can get them pretty toasty, but not hot. It actually runs a lot cooler now that I have the loader firmware where I think it should be. However I think the fan in my main player is starting to go out or needs to be cleaned (again). One of these days I need to pull it out and clean it since it has been over two years since I moved and it was last done. I doubt that it is that dirty, but the fan is starting to get noisier than it used to be. It's always been a tad noisy but usually the DVR and fans in the TV drowned it out.
mr.kludge's Avatar mr.kludge 06:19 PM 08-12-2014
Really? Are the only Robin Williams flicks on HD; License to Wed, Patch Adams and What Dreams May Come? I thought for sure that Good Morning Vietnam was on HD? I see that some are available on blu-ray, but not as many as I might have thought and that's not nearly as fun, though I do have quite a few of them. A few of them are imports. Oh I guess August Rush, and Happy Feet are others I missed on my first perusal. Seems like Night at the Museum is an import?

What is your vote of a Williams movie to watch as a tribute? I'm leaning toward One Hour Photo, The Fisher King, The Adventures of Baron... or maybe Dead Again, Jack or maybe The Birdcage. It hasn't been that long ago that I watched The Fisher King so I will have to see what is on the various streaming sites since most of my favorites of his are not on an HD format that is readily avalable.
mr.kludge's Avatar mr.kludge 06:34 PM 08-12-2014
I totally forgot about Awakinings and The World According to Garp...choices, choices I guess I will just have to watch them all ;-)
cepheid's Avatar cepheid 08:43 AM 08-13-2014
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Really? Are the only Robin Williams flicks on HD; License to Wed, Patch Adams and What Dreams May Come? I thought for sure that Good Morning Vietnam was on HD?
GMV is indeed available on Blu-ray:

DIRECTOR: Peter Sova
FORMAT: Blu-ray
SCREEN FORMAT: 1.85:1 (Theatre Wide Screen), Color, Enhanced Wide Screen Letterbox for 16x9 TV
RATING: R
RUNTIME (MINUTES): 121
YEAR: 2012
NUMBER OF DISCS: 1
UPC: 786936820973
SanchoPanza's Avatar SanchoPanza 04:58 PM 08-13-2014
Patch Adams in indeed UNavailable on Blu ray & Dolby TrueHD 5.1 on HD DVD!

Only one with RW I have in HD, so watching tonight.

RiP Robin Williams & Philip Seymour Hoffman.
mr.kludge's Avatar mr.kludge 11:09 PM 08-15-2014
Anyone bought one or aware of the new "collectors" discs that include this packaging? www.neobluray.com It's called Diamond Lux from WB and I think NEO from Sony/SPE. Apparently the Amazing Spiderman 2 version to release Tuesday at Best Buy has this packaging as well as the remaster of Natural Born Killers next month. Looks interesting. Don't know of other releases yet.
mr.kludge's Avatar mr.kludge 04:21 PM 08-19-2014
Locke and Need for Speed both loaded and played without issues. NfS was a very slow loading Disney (Touchstone) title probably due to new DRM/Encryption or just bloated slow BD Java code. Both good movies. Both recommended for at least a rental.
bytown rick's Avatar bytown rick 10:40 AM 08-21-2014
For those interested in newish Blu-ray formats, I am playing the Who's Quadrophenia now. It's a high fidelity pure audio Blu-ray disc. Took a while to load, but otherwise no issues. And sounds great in DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1.


Rick
mr.kludge's Avatar mr.kludge 11:26 AM 08-21-2014
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For those interested in newish Blu-ray formats, I am playing the Who's Quadrophenia now. It's a high fidelity pure audio Blu-ray disc. Took a while to load, but otherwise no issues. And sounds great in DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1.


Rick
Is that the live in London disc that came out a while back? Or a different version of the movie? I know that Criterion has a version of the movie. Oh, wait I found it. I guess you have to look in CDs and vinyl on Amazon not movies or it does not show up. I will have to check some of these out. I guess this is the new answer to the demise of SACD, DVD-Audio, DVD music and dual discs with a BD spin? Do you know if you get better fidelity if you play on a newer or special player for these discs? I usually keep up on these things, but I haven't been buying much music as of late. SiriusXM has ruined me ;-)
bytown rick's Avatar bytown rick 11:42 AM 08-21-2014
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Is that the live in London disc that came out a while back? Or a different version of the movie? I know that Criterion has a version of the movie. Oh, wait I found it. I guess you have to look in CDs and vinyl on Amazon not movies or it does not show up. I will have to check some of these out. I guess this is the new answer to the demise of SACD, DVD-Audio, DVD music and dual discs with a BD spin? Do you know if you get better fidelity if you play on a newer or special player for these discs? I usually keep up on these things, but I haven't been buying much music as of late. SiriusXM has ruined me ;-)

Mr. K,


This is my first experience with this type of disc. My understanding is similar to yours -- the latest answer to the question of how to get the best audio quality in a format that most people have access to -- a Blu-ray player. In addition to being a surround sound remaster, it is presented in 96kHz 24 bit audio. According to the back cover, this is 256 times the resolution of a regular CD. You have the options of DTS-HD MA 5.1 , Dolby TrueHD 5.1 or PCM stereo.


I think you might like it.


Rick
mr.kludge's Avatar mr.kludge 12:08 PM 08-21-2014
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Mr. K,


This is my first experience with this type of disc. My understanding is similar to yours -- the latest answer to the question of how to get the best audio quality in a format that most people have access to -- a Blu-ray player. In addition to being a surround sound remaster, it is presented in 96kHz 24 bit audio. According to the back cover, this is 256 times the resolution of a regular CD. You have the options of DTS-HD MA 5.1 , Dolby TrueHD 5.1 or PCM stereo.


I think you might like it.


Rick
Ya, and it looks like a few of my favorite albums are on the format. This must be similar to the newish Floyd box sets that include BDs? I have DSotM and WYWH but haven't ventured into the later releases. They seem pricy though and I wonder if they are any better than the SACDs and DVD-Audio discs I have now? I will have to watch the used market and see what becomes of it. Also need to read up on the format and technology. It's too bad they don't offer a multi-channel LPCM option as opposed to just stereo. I expect the PCM stereo but LPCM is so much more versatile and you don't run into all the anomalies with DTS-HS MA and DDTHD. Beck's Sea Change and Supertramp's Breakfast... are both on the format. I have beck in either SACD or DVD-A can't remember which. I think I have a high resolution format Breakfast... as well? I collected a bunch of those years ago and have not listened to them in years.

It would be good however if they have options that include both the BD and a DVD since my car and soon my truck will have DVD players. Would be a good way to get higher quality sound in my rides. For some reason the car audio/video manufactures are not embracing BD. Don't know why, seems doable.
mr.kludge's Avatar mr.kludge 10:47 PM 08-23-2014
Hi all. I have had the new Twin Peaks set for a while now. I bought it as a bday present to myself and that isn't until Monday, but...I happened to be reading some info online and ran into fairly wide spread reports that some of the discs, features and episodes have major audio sync issues. I got mine out and opened it up and sampled some of the areas that folks are complaining about. I don't see any issues with Fire Walk With Me or the Missing Pieces like many are claiming. I tried ep.9 off disc 3 and I can detect a slight misalignment on the 1st chapter, but it's within tolerance and I doubt I would have noticed unless I had read about it. My AVR has an HDMI auto lip-sync feature and also an adjustment I can make it I want to. I haven't ever needed to do that due to the auto feature. Those affected seem to be mostly PS3 and Sony players. I also saw some posts from folks with some newer Sammy players. I really don't think this is worth getting your panties in a bunch running out and demanding a replacement, but if they happen to offer an exchange program I will gladly participate. Folks are using social media to entice Paramount to recall the sets and replace and/or offer replacement discs that are affected. Amazon had the set pulled off their site for a time recently and then put it back up at a much higher price. I got mine off half.com, but the seller sourced it from Amazon. The issues must be really bad with some players and/or AVR combinations?

I am happy to report however that not only do the discs load and play but they seem to act normally in every way that I can detect. When each feature or episode starts up there is quite a bit of disc seeking and searching I assume due to common content used throughout and needing to access another part of the disc for that? Anyhow that creates a little delay but not much to worry about. The DTS-HD 7.1 soundtrack is quite nice and you can also listen in the as released 2.0. Even the extras are in 7.1. PQ is stunning and unlike anything I have seen of this show. Apparently the original negatives were used for the transfer and this predates HD TV by quite some time.

Anyhoo. If any other of you out there have the set let us know if you have any issues with lip-sync esp. with the 2nd to last disc #9 which has FWWM and The Missing Pieces. I'm watching the pilot now another one that folks have complained about and see nothing out of the ordinary. This might just be a case of the folks that synced up the A/V having a little bit of difficulty with the material and sources. That can happen over time. It is certainly not like olden Japanese martial arts movies that were poorly dubbed decades ago. Maybe just a fraction of a second off in the areas I saw it. At one time I knew what those delays were that humans can detect. Some folks are more sensitive of course and if your AVR and system is not calibrated correctly for distance and audio delay that could magnify the effect. I would imagine that seating distance would be a factor as well.
eems01's Avatar eems01 11:05 AM 08-24-2014
3 years ago I boxed up my man cave BD-UP5000 and replaced it with a cheap LG player after my wife tired of the firmware game of things working and not. I snapped a picture with the idea of putting it on ebay and never did. Today I was cleaning up bookmarks and jumped in here for old times sake and saw that people are still talking about this player. I did the firmware downgrade to 1.2 and then back to 1.7 to get the higher loader number and the things still works. I tried the just released blu-ray of Disneynature Bears and it played fine. Interestingly the DVD of Bears was rejected by the player but the new DVD from The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad played fine??? I contemplated putting it back into action in my living room where my kids stream movies off the NAS to my old Xbox with XBMC (better upscaling than the LG player on my DVD rips by far!) but the entertainment center is a little too cramped. I'm still on the fence about getting rid of it since it has the component video outputs given the fact that my living room Sony KV-34XBR910 does not have HDMI inputs and the XBOX will likely die one of these days. What is a fair asking price for a complete boxed working unit with remote manuals and all the firmware discs including shipping should I decide to part with it?
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