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post #13681 of 13920 Old 08-24-2014, 03:23 PM
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3 years ago I boxed up my man cave BD-UP5000 and replaced it with a cheap LG player after my wife tired of the firmware game of things working and not. I snapped a picture with the idea of putting it on ebay and never did. Today I was cleaning up bookmarks and jumped in here for old times sake and saw that people are still talking about this player. I did the firmware downgrade to 1.2 and then back to 1.7 to get the higher loader number and the things still works. I tried the just released blu-ray of Disneynature Bears and it played fine. Interestingly the DVD of Bears was rejected by the player but the new DVD from The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad played fine??? I contemplated putting it back into action in my living room where my kids stream movies off the NAS to my old Xbox with XBMC (better upscaling than the LG player on my DVD rips by far!) but the entertainment center is a little too cramped. I'm still on the fence about getting rid of it since it has the component video outputs given the fact that my living room Sony KV-34XBR910 does not have HDMI inputs and the XBOX will likely die one of these days. What is a fair asking price for a complete boxed working unit with remote manuals and all the firmware discs including shipping should I decide to part with it?
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If I were you you I would keep it for old times sake. What if you run across an HD-DVD or two (there are still a few movies not on BD) or want to continue to have decent upscaling? This player is just about as reliable as any out there with the latest code. It even plays Twin Peaks just fine. Still only a handful of olden titles you can't play and hardly anyone cares about those movies anymore. Only one HD that I know of (Bubble); Splice rental, Superman/Batman Apocalypse, Chaplin the US release of Thir13en Ghosts and An American Carol. Some of which may play now with 1.7. Been trying to get folks to try Superman/..., Chaplin and An American Carol for ages now since 1.7 released. I have verified that 13... and the Splice Rental still don't load (the retail release of Splice is fine as well as the UK release of 13...). Seems like someone verified either Chaplin or Superman/... a while back but I can't remember.

Regarding the Disney DVD you tried to play; for some reason any release past 1.4 has issues with some of the newish Disney DVDs. It's been reported over and over, but it really is not a problem because why would you play the DVD in this player when you have the BD? Use the DVD in DVD players, computers, car etc. If you really want to be able to play them, just downgrade to 1.4. The loader code should stay the same, it only changes if you load 1.5 or 1.6 and now with 1.7 there is no reason to. There are still a few that won't play on any release (Disney DVDs) one I have ran into is the latest release of Dumbo.

You will need to check on eBay to see what they are going for. I stoked up years ago and have tons of players and parts so I haven't been watching the sales. I would hope you would be able to get at least $50 but possibly more if yours is 100% complete in the original box.
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Hi all. Been a while. Transcendence loads and plays fine, unfortunately ;-)
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So what are the odds that Age of Extinction is going to blow up the 5k? Will be interesting to see what happens. According to what I have read if you want to play the losses 7.1 DDTHD soundtrack you have to select Atmos (the default setting on the disc) and then your AVR should ignore the Atmos stream and pick up the imbedded DDTHD stream. We all know how bad (and in some respects) the way Dolby does their encoding can mess things up.

So anyhow if someone gets around to trying this before me then please let us know. It does not release until the 30th and I won't be buying it until waaaaaaay ager release. Looks like Red Box will have it on the day of release, but no idea if it will have Atmos or be crippled.
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So what are the odds that Age of Extinction is going to blow up the 5k? Will be interesting to see what happens. According to what I have read if you want to play the losses 7.1 DDTHD soundtrack you have to select Atmos (the default setting on the disc) and then your AVR should ignore the Atmos stream and pick up the imbedded DDTHD stream. We all know how bad (and in some respects) the way Dolby does their encoding can mess things up.

So anyhow if someone gets around to trying this before me then please let us know. It does not release until the 30th and I won't be buying it until waaaaaaay ager release. Looks like Red Box will have it on the day of release, but no idea if it will have Atmos or be crippled.
I sure will mister, @ the end of this month. ...Good test for the 5000. ...And from the Blu-ray @ stores, not from Red Box machines or Netflix or all that crap , but only the real deal.

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I sure will mister, @ the end of this month. ...Good test for the 5000. ...And from the Blu-ray @ stores, not from Red Box machines or Netflix or all that crap, but only the real deal.
Ok, as soon as it hits the box and I have a free code I will check it out also (I already saw it in the theater). My bet is that it will be the real deal. Paramount has not been known to strip the audio in their rentals, though I can't recall if there are one of them that cripples rentals with no bonus content. I think that is usually Universal that pulls that crap probably since none would buy most of their movie releases anyway ;-) There is a first time for everything thought.

I also bet that there is going to be at least one problem out there with this new tech (either with folks AVRs or players). Hopefully it does not render folks set-ups unusable for future releases. They haven't anticipated and offered an option for DDTHD7.1 only or a lossless 5.1 option. You can select a lossy dolby 5.1 and 2.0 mix, but on a movie like that it would be almost like turning off the audio all together. Technically the stream should work with any AVR since it is just additional info that it should throw away, but I know by experience that if you are asking your AVR or player to process and/or ignore extra stuff it can overwhelm one or both units. Now for the 5k, who knows. It will either not be able to deal with the extra data and die, send out all the info on the stream and get overwhelmed but hopefully it won't and all will be well or some other goofy thing will get spit out. I also bet that to avoid most issues we will need to use internal decode rather than bitsreaming. That has been the case with many/most DDTHD7.1 movies of the last few years, mostly the animated ones, but a few CGI ones as well (Bark at the Moon, another Trans. release had issues, though has been reported to be fixed now with 1.7. I haven't had time to test it yet).
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I forgot to mention that the 5K is not Atmos "aware" so it will be interesting to see what the default option does, or if it forces the player into dd5.1 mode. So far all audio codecs have been supported and the 5k is aware of them. This new BD wrinkle will be fun to play with. I haven't had much time to read about the tech. and whatever they have built into it to be backwards compatible. Perhaps I need to spend some time on the Atmos forum? I'm sure there is one. Haven't bothered yet, since that tech. in my life is a ways off, unless my AVR decides to tank within the next few years.
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I am taking care of that; hanging @ the Dolby Atmos forums.
And I will report back right here what them Dolby Atmos Blu-ray discs do with the 5000 Duo HD player.
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I am taking care of that; hanging @ the Dolby Atmos forums.
And I will report back right here what them Dolby Atmos Blu-ray discs do with the 5000 Duo HD player.
Good 'cuz I'm a late adopter of technology. Not really late, but certainly not an early adopter. Still don't rock an iPhone, tough I love Apple products and have quite a few IOS other devices. Oh wait that makes me an early adopter of phone features since I rock an Android ;-) sorry, had to dig on that. I have enjoyed just about all the new features the 6 has except for fingerprint unlock for over a year now. Larger screen, faster processor, faster WiFi and 4G, NFC contact-less payment, higher resolution. I don't have a Nexus, but the next best thing, Moto Maxx. Oh and it lasts 2-3 days without charging. It's still at 50% and last time it was on the charger was way early Friday morning. Streamed SirusXM in the pool car for several hours on Friday. If I was to keep this up and stay at home using it 3-5 times a day and streaming in the car a little on sort trips I won't need to charge it until Tuesday or Wednesday. That's 5-6 days off the charger. Oh I don't plug it in either, does wireless charging.

Anyhow, when you figure it out, let us all know how the Atmos is "supposed" to be backwards compatible. When I get bored I will look it up, but probably not until I have one of the discs in my hand/player. I'll need to test it in the Yammy and LG BH200 also.
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When I was born my Mom told me that I was cute. Later on, @ age 2, I was already walking.
Then by age 4, I enjoyed watching TV. ...
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When I was born my Mom told me that I was cute. Later on, @ age 2, I was already walking.
Then by age 4, I enjoyed watching TV. ...
When did you start taking and writing ;-) I was an ugly baby, though my mom said I was cute. I am damn handsome devil now. Probably walked before one, probably started talking before 2 and was reading before kindergarten though I know I did not write until 1st of 2nd grade. We didn't have all this pre-K, preschool craziness 50 years ago when I arrived. Or at least mom and dad could't afford it?
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Not to worry, enjoy today. ...Eventually we're all going to follow the footsteps of our ancestors and their ancestors before them. ;-)
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Not to worry, enjoy today. ...Eventually we're all going to follow the footsteps of our ancestors and their ancestors before them. ;-)
I am hoping that organ replacement technology (both real and artificial) becomes a reality and that they cure cancer before then. Otherwise I will NEVER get through my movie and TV show collection, let alone watch everything I missed and want to. Perhaps when I retire, but I plan on being way to busy to watch TV and movies much when that comes ;-)
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Since I am filling up this thread and the Interwebs with nonsense today I thought I might mention that I have discovered three more of my favorite movies that are not available on BD and probably not any HD format other than the "HD" versions possibly run in cable TV/Premium networks/Streaming etc. They are in no particular order; Birdy, Catch-22 and Slaughterhouse-Five. Ok, so I put them in alpha order.
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For those who care the above mentioned movies are available for a fee on Amazon Prime. All are missing in action on Netflix, but Comcast does have Catch-22 on Pay-per-view OnDemand. Birdy is playing on TCN (The Country Network, WTF?) this month, but I only get it in eye hurt SD with ear pounding crapy audio. Slaughterhouse-Five is missing in action there, which means that since they have been tracking movies it has not aired anywhere there?
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I was shocked to see an update over the Internet recently for this unit. I thought they gave up on it, but I would still check occasionally.

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I was shocked to see an update over the Internet recently for this unit. I thought they gave up on it, but I would still check occasionally.

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As usual, Mr. K was totally on top of this, and sent out the message to all of us here. Thanks again Mr. K.
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Age of Extinction anyone.

I'm too busy cleaning out the DVR for rentals right now.
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Hey, any one of you tried 'Transformers: Age of Extinction' on Blu in your Sammy Duo player?

If not let me know, than I can tell you if it works on mine. ...That is if you are interested by this type of movie, of course.
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Hey, any one of you tried 'Transformers: Age of Extinction' on Blu in your Sammy Duo player?

If not let me know, than I can tell you if it works on mine. ...That is if you are interested by this type of movie, of course.
Hello! see my previous post. Yes, try it and let us know the results, hopefully bit-streamed to an olden AVR so we will know if Atmos FUBARS olden players and AVRs. I have been way to busy and backed up with about 20 hours of new fall material on the DVR I need to get through so I might not even get to this one on the weekend. Might have to wait until later, unless issues are detected that I need to check out.
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Hello! see my previous post. Yes, try it and let us know the results, hopefully bit-streamed to an olden AVR so we will know if Atmos FUBARS olden players and AVRs. I have been way to busy and backed up with about 20 hours of new fall material on the DVR I need to get through so I might not even get to this one on the weekend. Might have to wait until later, unless issues are detected that I need to check out.
Ok, I'll do a test tonight; picture and sound. ...Let you know sometime tomorrow.
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While we are waiting for NorthSky to get off his duff and report on Age of Extinction I have some news and something that you should look at and test. I ran across a recent article on High Def Digest about disc rot with Criterion titles. I went through my collection and was surprised at how many on the suspect list that I own. All of mine seem fine at this time, though some of them are a bronzeish, copper or yellowish color which concerns me, except for The Seventh Seal. That one is a goldish/yellow/bronze color on the entire playing surface. It loads and plays but the last couple chapters of the movie are toast. Note that they are also replacing all of the original Eraserheads due to a 5 second missing scene. I have E-mailed Criterion for instructions on getting both discs replaced.

I have a very eclectic mix of Criterions. Several I have purchased online used and are titles that I have made an effort to own. However most of them I pick up at a local media store and they always seem to have a good selection of used Criterion BDs and when on sale I can get them there even with tax for less than I can online (even with my freeshipping.com account). I figure when I get around to watching them if I hate the move then I can always sell them for what I paid or possibly more. The only ones in the list below that I wanted to add to my collection for sure are Cronos, ...Benjamin..., Darjeeling..., House and Videodrome. I have dozens more that are not on the list thank heavens. I just picked up 10 more on Thursday and just got around to opening them up and looking at them Friday/today. Three of those are on the list; Bigger Than Life, Hunger and Ride With the Devil.

Here is the link to the article and also a list of my titles that I just did a cursory chapter skip test with:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/cr...uray-disc-rot/

‘Bigger than Life’
‘Che’
‘Cronos’
‘Crumb’
‘The Curious Case of Benjamin Button’
‘The Darjeeling Limited’
‘House’
‘Hunger’
‘In the Realm of the Senses’
‘The Last Metro’
‘Ride with the Devil’
‘The Seventh Seal’
‘Videodrome’
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Sorry, I simply forgot. ...Should take only few minutes for me tonight to verify. ...Be patient, I will.

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* As for Criterion rotten discs; it is a fact. And when I sent them an email about six months ago or so, asking them if they can help me out with this very sad issue (I invested largely in their DVDs and Blu-rays), I never received a reply from them.

I now have a bunch of Criterion DVDs and Blu-rays that are totally inoperative (defective; they won't play in anyone of my dozen or so DVD/Blu-ray players).
{I even mentioned, if you remember, in this very own thread, a while back, to try one Criterion title, in all your machines; but no one replied, ever. Most likely because there is simply not enough traffic in this Samsung HD Duo player thread.}

This is extremely deceiving; it reminds me of the earlier days of DVDs from Universal studios (same exact problem; rotten discs).
The plant where they were stamped was not up to the task; with the glue between the two layers constipating the pits, and rendering them unplayable. ...Within a year or so. ...Some took a little longer to rot.
- Criterion has the same issue with some of their DVDs and Blu-ray discs. ...And because they cost more money (you pay a premium for Criterion titles, and their restoration of great films), it is a major financial lost, for someone like me.
And the fact that they didn't even reply to my very polite email, makes things even harder.

I don't have to draw you a picture in trying to figure out why they don't even address this very important issue.

It is Criterion's responsibility to produce solid products, without physical defects like here; rotten discs ('disc rot') since quite a long time now.
And I know that for a fact as I own many many Criterion Collection titles on DVD and Blu-ray.

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Sorry, I simply forgot. ...Should take only few minutes for me tonight to verify. ...Be patient, I will.

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* As for Criterion rotten discs; it is a fact. And when I sent them an email about six months ago or so, asking them if they can help me out with this very sad issue (I invested largely in their DVDs and Blu-rays), I never received a reply from them.

I now have a bunch of Criterion DVDs and Blu-rays that are totally inoperative (defective; they won't play in anyone of my dozen or so DVD/Blu-ray players).
{I even mentioned, if you remember, in this very own thread, a while back, to try one Criterion title, in all your machines; but no one replied, ever. Most likely because there is simply not enough traffic in this Samsung HD Duo player thread.}

This is extremely deceiving; it reminds me of the earlier days of DVDs from Universal studios (same exact problem; rotten discs).
The plan where they were stamped were not up to the task; with the glue between the two layers constipating the pits, and rendering them unplayable. ...Within a year or so. ...Some took a little longer to rot.
- Criterion has the same issue with some of their DVDs and Blu-ray discs. ...And because they cost more money (you pay a premium for Criterion titles, and their restoration of great films), it is a major financial lost, for someone like me.
And the fact that they didn't even reply to my very polite email, makes things even harder.

I don't have to draw you a picture in trying to figure out why they don't even address this very important issue.

It is Criterion's responsibility to produce solid products, without physical defects like here; rotten discs ('disc rot') since quite a long time now.
And I know that for a fact as I own many many Criterion Collection titles on DVD and Blu-ray.
Ya I remember your post and I thought I replied. I have been in the habit to try all of my Criterions when I purchase them (have yet to actually view one fully other than Mr. Button). Anyhow, the issue has now hit the news, so hopefully they will address it. I haven't tried my others and probably won't until I get around to watching them. I will pursue them further if I don't get the replacement Erasorhead and Seventh Seal.
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There is even a dedicated thread right here @ AVS on this Criterion issue.
...Rotten Blu-rays and the non-response from Criterion to their customers (us who buy their discs).

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=27848401

* I'm not posting there yet because I need to control my emotions.
I don't have good news, so I need to post positively. I'm taking my time, and see Criterion's response first.

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This thread tells you what to do. I would suggest packing up all of your discs that are no longer playing regardless if they are on the list or not and send them. Of course you will want to use some sort of tracking and/or insurance in case of difficulty. Probably snap pics of all the discs before you send the as well.

Now the question is what other discs from other studios were manufactured by the same plant? According to Criterion this batch of bad discs were made in 2010. Lots of other discs were manufactured in 2010 as well and probably from that same plant. I will pay attention to my other BDs and IF I see a bronzing on any of them I will play them and see if anything is affected. My Seventh Seal is completely bronze where none of my other Criterions are that color (they are silver/grey). I could only find the suspect plant marks on two of mine; Bigger Than Life and Ride With the Devil both of which are fine. Interestingly my Yammy player has a harder time with Seventh Seal than the 5K. The Yammy freezes and returns to the menu around 1:24. The 5K does not start yammering until the 2nd to the last chapter.

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Since NorthSky is too busy obsessing about his Criterions I thought I would grab Age of Extinction out of the box and give it a try. First the good news. Nothing bad has happened yet as far as Atmos and the 5K and my olden Denon 1909 just doing DDTHD. In fact the soundtrack is one of the best I have ever heard as far as a DDTHD 7.1 disc. I'm only ~15 min. in so I don't know if there are any dropouts. If there are I will revert to internal decode. Oh BTW PQ is quite excellent. I forgot how much I enjoyed this movie, for quite a few reasons. Transformers, stuff blowing up, things crashing about, cheesy dialogue and plot (is there one?) and Nicola Peltz is rather easy on the eyes. Yes it is not cinema, but reference quality material to feed the HT. There is sure to me a million of these used in a year or so on the market so I will pick it up then or before if someone has a great sale. Oh and the rental from the box has full Atmos on it. Says so on the disc and in the menu. It's the only lossless option. Just experienced a minor drop during the 1st fight scene, but nothing too bad. It was during a scene transition.

Now the bad news. It seems that this will be the procedure for Paramount titles for now on (until the stop functioning all together). Just like Noah this one gets stuck on slide show after you select play from the menu. You must select chapter 1 in order to play the movie. This may just be me, but I suspect that it is a universal problem since others indicated that they had to do the trick to get Noah to play also.

Oh and sorry North... that was a cheep shot. Hope you get ALL your discs replaced. One of the things I am going to do tomorrow is stick my Seventh Seal in a disc envelope and send it off to Criterion for a replacement. Will probably open Eraserhead, watch it and make sure I got one of the bad ones (which is the case since they have not started shipping the fixed ones yet) and include that with the other for replacement.
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1. TF4 Blu-ray (not a rental, but the real deal): Same thing; you cannot play it by pressing Play, you have to click on Scenes (5000 Duo).
Then all is fine, with Dolby TrueHD 7.1 --- Dolby Atmos if you have a decoder.

2. Criterion Collection DVDs and Blu-rays: Rotten discs, several, fact. ...Bad quality, fact. ...A big pain in the butt!
Some DVDs won't play @ all right now, some Blu-rays will stop playing @ a certain point.
And as time goes by, things are going to get even worst. ...Some discs that were partially playing simply won't play @ all.
* When you have several hundreds of titles, just imagine.

I paid $30 and $40 (even more for some titles) on average per each Criterion movie (DVD and Blu-ray).
...From when they started, 1999 or around.
I repeat; the issue is not only with their Blu-rays, but also with their DVDs dating from the beginning when they started.
...And that problem is Disc Rot (Rotten Discs); that with time stop playing...caput...totally obsolete.

If you have only less than ten titles it's not so bad, and you might still have few years of life left on the bad ones.
But when your collection is large, and that you have invested over $10,000 (easily) just on Criterion; then the game is not much fun @ all. ...That is if you want to take the time (huge task) to play. You decide; live life, or waste time ...

See, that is the reality that some of us are facing, and you got to respect that. ...Anyone, everyone, and Criterion.
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When I first emailed them about six months ago, in a very professional and dignified manner, I never received a response from them, to this day!

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1. TF4 Blu-ray (not a rental, but the real deal): Same thing; you cannot play it by pressing Play, you have to click on Scenes (5000 Duo).
Then all is fine, with Dolby TrueHD 7.1 --- Dolby Atmos if you have a decoder.
So do you have a Atmos decoder or not? Can't tell from your post. Some of us would like to know if the 5K is capable of the stream required for it to a comparable decoder or AVR.
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