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My BD-UP5000 has a build date of 2007/11 and says that it has the latest software and will not update the firmware.

So far the movies that either will not play or have navigation problems are:

Die Hard
Live Free or Die Hard
Mr and Mrs Smith
Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer
Planet Earth HD-DVD, problem using the scene selection
Pixar Shorts
Ratattoulie
Pirates of the Caribbean AWE

any others not playing?
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All FOX films...interesting.

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and I REALLY lilke Fox films

crap

this is the reason I bought a player and gave up HTPC...
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I think the LG players had the same problem with the same titles and it was corrected by firmware.
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I am sure it will be corrected...
Does the 1400 have the same problem?

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According to another thread the 1400 won't play Live Free or Die Hard either, and I think that's with the latest firmware for that player, which is very recent.

The only Fox movie I have, actually the only bluray movie I have at the moment, is Live Free or Die Hard. When I put it in it starts to load (samsung bubble loading animation) but then just goes to a red screen that says my player needs a firmware update. The screen and message are from the disc. Also, on the front display of the player it scrolls "Side Show".
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According to another thread the 1400 won't play Live Free or Die Hard either, and I think that's with the latest firmware for that player, which is very recent.

The only Fox movie I have, actually the only bluray movie I have at the moment, is Live Free or Die Hard. When I put it in it starts to load (samsung bubble loading animation) but then just goes to a red screen that says my player needs a firmware update. The screen and message are from the disc. Also, on the front display of the player it scrolls "Side Show".

my 1400 plays LFoDH just fine.
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my 1400 plays LFoDH just fine.

My mistake, it was the 1200 that had problems.

BTW, I found this interesting:

http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthrea...7#post12285287

If you can get one of your fox blurays to work they may all work. I can't try this because I only have one. edfowler, if you can, try it out.
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I'll give it a shot
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neither of the methods described worked on the 5000, looks like Fox has totally screwed up their new discs with a bunch of crap.

I hate DRM.
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Fox fails. Blu-Ray only, lovers of bloated DRM and most expensive MRSPs of all.

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I'm a neutral guy but this kind of thing makes me want to throw BluRay out the f'n window! I have had no such issues with HD-DVD's.

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I'm a neutral guy but this kind of thing makes me want to throw BluRay out the f'n window! I have had no such issues with HD-DVD's.


It is not Fox it is Samsung. If these problems were happing accross the board with Blu-ray players I would agree but they are not. I have the 1200 and they are reactive on FW updates for it not proactive. I decided to pick up another player and my only choice at the time for DTS HD MA audio was a 1400 or a Pioneer 95. Well I decided to spend twice the money to get the 95. They have had one update and it was before the Die Hard movies and POTC3 to fix problems with them.

So no I put the blame on Samsung and them alone. And I cannot say from personal experence but it seem like LG is no better.

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I think it really has more to do with new players than anything else. I'm pretty sure every player has had disc playing issues to some extent when they were new, which were fixed later with firmware. It just happens that Samsung and LG are the last two to release new players. This seems like a regular issue for HDM for the forseeable future due to the intricate and fluid nature of each format (more interactive features, growing capacities, combo discs, etc...).
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Guys,

I've started this info on the FAQ general page. I'll try to monitor this thread for updates. PM me with specifics if you want.

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I guess I'm one of the lucky few that LFoDH works for.
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Did you try the HD-DVD version of those titles listed below to see if they worked? I assume you meant the BD versions?

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My BD-UP5000 has a build date of 2007/11 and says that it has the latest software and will not update the firmware.

So far the movies it will not play for me are:

Live Free or Die Hard
Mr and Mrs Smith
Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer

any others not playing?

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Did you try the HD-DVD version of those titles listed below to see if they worked? I assume you meant the BD versions?

HD-DVD? From Fox?

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this is the reason I bought a player and gave up HTPC...

Ed, a bit off topic, but I am very interested in your above comment because I'm having a serious debate with myself over whether to build a dual-format HTPC, buy separates (PS3+XA2), or buy a dual-format player such as the 5000.
If you wouldn't mind, I have a couple of questions for you.

Could your HTPC play both high-def formats? If so, which device outputs the better image, the HTPC or the 5000?

If you had it all to do over, and now having experienced the 5000's disk-play problems you've described, as well as the problems that HTPC entails, would you still buy the 5000?

Thanks.
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FYI, on the owners thread (I will have mine Friday) they report that, even more oddly, LFODH plays on SOME 5000s but not others.

One owner called Samsung and were told that they are aware of this and it is a leading priority to fix.

I agree, it is the damn studios that are the culprit here, but what do we expect from those greedy, arrogant Hollywood types anyway? The real arrogance is displaying the message that you have to update firmware when the real problem is the disc.

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It is not Fox it is Samsung. .


In the end I have to blame BluRay. There hardware specs were not set in stone and manufacturers are having a hard time keeping up with media that changes. HD-DVD has had some firmware updates but nothing like this. Toshiba did a great job finalizing their hardware specs.

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Ed, a bit off topic, but I am very interested in your above comment because I'm having a serious debate with myself over whether to build a dual-format HTPC, buy separates (PS3+XA2), or buy a dual-format player such as the 5000.
If you wouldn't mind, I have a couple of questions for you.

Could your HTPC play both high-def formats? If so, which device outputs the better image, the HTPC or the 5000?

If you had it all to do over, and now having experienced the 5000's disk-play problems you've described, as well as the problems that HTPC entails, would you still buy the 5000?

Thanks.

Yes the HTPC played both formats very, very well...when they played. The latest batch of DRM infested movies has been frustrating and Cyberlink has bowed down to the studios to make playback even more difficult. We are all hoping that Arcsoft can release it's total media solution in English soon because it seems to pass hi def audio and have a better pic than Cyberlink. They may be having 'issues' with the US copy protection laws and who knows if and when we can have a software solution that lets us kick Cyberlink to the curb where it belongs.

HTPC has had the best image by far, but the more I mess with the 5000 the more I am impressed. I cannot reserve judgement as to whether the 5000 has met or surpassed HTPC image yet until I have the system relalibrated by Ken Whitcomb, and I won't spend the money to do that til I am convinced that the 5000 will do what it is supposed to do, pass hi def audio formats over analog and handle all of the new DRM infested movies.

"If you had it all to do over, and now having experienced the 5000's disk-play problems you've described, as well as the problems that HTPC entails, would you still buy the 5000?"

Heck yea. I have a feeling that all of these problems will get worked out. How old is the product anyway? All of one week?
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Thanks, Ed.

It's good to have posts from someone who has both a HTPC and a 5000. I look forward to reading how it works out for you on both fronts. In particular, I'm very interested to hear whether the 5000 in fact turns out to be "easier to own" than the HTPC.
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without a doubt it is already easier to own.

HTPC has always had a lot of rewards for av enthusiasts, with probably more headaches.

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Anyone else have trouble with Hot Fuzz?

I put it in to see if I could see the black dots Eurotrance was talking about and the audio was scratching and popping and grating on my nerves so bad I had to get that disc out of there.

I don't remember hearing that 'hot fuzz' when I watched the movie before on my htpc.

Flyboys popped and cracked a little bit at first when I put it in.

I tried ff and going back to see if it went away but it did not. The bad audio was at the same points in the movie. It was worse when the protagonist left the bar and almost got run over by the drunk cop.

edit: the problem was that I was quickly checking the video without my ib subs turned on. I had the speakers set to large for l c r with lfe on. What I was hearing was distortion in my l and r speakers.

I assumed that I could send the whole signal and let the Z9 pass only stuff above 80hz, but by running straight out from the analogs it was sending all the lfe info to the front speakers > therefor distortion. My mistake. It played fine with speakers set to small.
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*dons Blu-Ray fanboy hat* shoulda' got a PS3! *removes hat and rips into shreds*

You're right though. Every month I say "I'm going to ditch my PS3 for a stand-alone player", and month after month goes by that no other player comes out that I want to replace it with. Every new player lacks a feature or two, lots have glitches with certain titles, etc. I plan on keeping my PS3 quite a while longer, and I bet I'm not alone here in saying I never thought I'd have kept it for this long... It has played every disc I have ever thrown at it with absolutely not one measly, miniature problem of any sort.
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edfowler, if you're up for it you should keep the first post in this thread up to date with a list.

Another addition, reported in the owners thread:

Planet Earth HD-DVD, problem using the scene selection.

I realize that's more of a "problem with a disc" rather than a "disc that will not play", but still, obviously a firmware issue, which could of course rear its head for other hd-dvd discs.

Thanks in advance.
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FWIW mine played LFoDH just fine last night. I even stopped, started, paused, backed up and everything else you could do to it.
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I just got my 5000 today and tried one bluray disc and then a hd disc. Neither would play and the system sound disc won't play. Then I put in a third bluray and it played beautifully fabulous pic a great sound. WOW. Then I put back the original 2 that would not play and they both did. Don't quite understand this.
However, i put in Casino Royale and it totally jammed the player and would not play at all. Had to wait 5 minutes before it opened.
Now watching LFODH and it works perfectly.

Very strange machine
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