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http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/06/s...-combo-player/

Edit: some more info: http://gizmodo.com/341077/samsung-bp...vd-dual-player

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This is a very nice unit. The price is also fantastic - 100$ less than the player I currently want for BRD-only. That also means certain places will most certainly have it for cheaper. It would be nice to finally have one player for them ALL. I'll have to read more once upconversion reports come out and such.

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Well, assuming Samsung actually still releases this, looks like I might have my sights set on my next player. I would expect the MSRPs on both these models to drop before release time. Throw in typical online discounts and I bet the duo player will be easily available in the $400s. Assuming they release of course...
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Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if this thing never sees a store shelf. Samsung is great at announcing products and then later never making them and with WB's move we will have to wait and see.

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Amazing, people are still trying to get a hold of a 5000 and then here comes the 5500 in a few months and it'll be CHEAPER to boot. I'm glad I gave up on the 5000 for the XA2 and a PS3 I was planning on getting anyway. Hopefully there will be a solid combo player in a year or so when I'll want to trade in my XA2.

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wow i just cancelled my order for the 5000. no way i'm paying 800 for a player that has many quirks and is more expensive than this new combo player coming out. also looks like hd dvd is pretty much dead so no point in getting dual format now. unless you got a really huge hd dvd library.
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5500 in May

They can't even get the 5000 out. If the 5500 is anything like the 5000....well, see sig
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I was waiting on the 5000 to get the firmware upgrade but something tells me this 5500
won't have the analog outs. I really could not tell from the engadget atricle.
I need the analog outs and the internal dts hd ma decoding. Like everyone else I have hd dvd and I am in the market for a dual format player since we want have any new players in the future from toshiba. Shame but I really want my high def movies.
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It makes no sense at all that anyone would pay 799 for a player whose performance and functionality has been quirky at best given the announcements (WB & Samsung). It would be surprising if HDDVDs and HDDVD players do not sit on the shelves gathering dust for months to come. I will not buy another HDDVD (rent only)and will definitely wait to see how this plays out. I was going to buy the 5000 but I do not see the logic in that now.
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It's official...my 5000 is being boxed up tonight to go back tomorrow!
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This may be a good or bad news for us, the 5k owners.

If the 5500 is the same as (or better than) the 5000, then the lower price does not make sense at all given Samsung cannot meet demand for the 5000 at the current price level of $799.

If the 5500 is a scaled down veriosn of the 5000, then it may be a good news for everyone. Some people who do not need the analog outs or the advanced upscaling will not have to pay for these features.

If both players 5X00 have mostly the same firmware, then Samsung will have more insentive to get things right.

I hope someone will have the chance to corner Samsung reps at CES on that one too.
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It's official...my 5000 is being boxed up tonight to go back tomorrow!

Yep. You'd think they'd announce a firmware fix prior to announcing a new unit. This is certainly true to Samsung form: fixes are by upgrade rather than firmware.
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I'm going to return it and continue to watch my HD DVDs on my faithful A3 until someone gets something right.
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Analog outs are expensive for the players something tells me this will be a hdmi only high def audio support. I hope the 5000 gets the firmware update I will pay the extra for that feature, it is still cheaper than a new hdmi receiver currently.

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This may be a good or bad news for us, the 5k owners.

If the 5500 is the same as (or better than) the 5000, then the lower price does not make sense at all given Samsung cannot meet demand for the 5000 at the current price level of $799.

If the 5500 is a scaled down veriosn of the 5000, then it may be a good news for everyone. Some people who do not need the analog outs or the advanced upscaling will not have to pay for these features.

If both players 5X00 have mostly the same firmware, then Samsung will have more insentive to get things right.

I hope someone will have the chance to corner Samsung reps at CES on that one too.

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A little bit more info.... http://gizmodo.com/341077/samsung-bp...vd-dual-player

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Should be interesting to hear more about this player and seeing if the 5000 gets its fixes. I know my 1200 sure is not getting fixed quickly.

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I suspect they are giving up the Reon chip for upconversion--just like the 1400 gave it up as the replacement for the 1200. Too bad, if true.
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What can the 5500 do that the 5000 cannot? It seems suicidal to me that Samsung is pre-announcing a low-priced replacement for the 5000. I must be missing something

EDIT: OK. Sounds like the 5500 is a 5000 sans Reon processor
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This is just what I've been looking for. A player that can handle both formats, has an ethernet, can handle all the new audio codecs (even if it decodes internally, fine with me) and will be under $600.

I can then have one device in my rack that outperforms both the PS3 and HD-D2. And at retail prices, probably cheaper. I'll probably keep the PS3 and HD-D2, but relegate them out of the theater room. Also will free up more rack space to store my HD Media

I'm keeping a close eye on this one.

At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it.

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OK, the 5500 is slimmer - to me this would mean something is lass - feature or quality......
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I learned from all recent Samsung players to read reviews before purchasing. How are we supposed to trust this is going to work well out of the box, or be available on time, or be upgraded with firmware in a timely manner based on current experiences with the 1400 and 5000???
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Unless I'm missing something this sounds just like the BD30...

"For a true, cinema-quality experience at home, the BD-UP5500 supports the latest audio decoding. With 7.1-Ch PCM, DTS-HD High Resolution and Master audio, and Dolby TrueHD Bistream output via HDMI 1.3, the BD-UP5500 accurately reproduces every delicate nuance with lifelike precision"

This would only be a good fit for someone WITH an HDMI 1.3a AVR. I do have a 1.3 processor but I really hope this means that enable bitstream on the 5000 and it's announced ASAP.
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No mention of analog outs. That is the difference in price. If they fix the firmware on the 5000 that is the one I will get, I don't want to buy a new avr.
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Can someone at CES find out if the 5500 will also use the Broadcom 7440 chip?
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No mention of analog outs. That is the difference in price. If they fix the firmware on the 5000 that is the one I will get, I don't want to buy a new avr.


No HQV video processing either. That explains the difference. Other than that, I hope it is based on the same chipset and will share mostly the same firmware. In that case, the 5000 will be supported as good as the 5500.
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The BD-UP5000 would have been down to $600 by May, so I wonder how the 5500 will affect the price of 5000's still on the market when the 5500 begins shipping.

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The BD-UP5000 would have been down to $600 by May, so I wonder how the 5500 will affect the price of 5000's still on the market when the 5500 begins shipping.

I would assume the street price of the 5500 (come May or whenver they release it) will be 399. Remember, the MSRP of the 5000 was 999 before it hit the street at 799.. then 749. I can see a $599 price of the 5000 by October.

A $200 delta for the HQV and possibly 7.1 audio (don't know if the 5500 has it) may be worth it to some people.

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Am I the only one reading this as no onboard HD decoding?
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Am I the only one reading this as no onboard HD decoding?

It may, but it may only send them via HDMI.

There is no mention of analog out (not that the 5000's speaker settings are good in any way right now), or the HQV.

In the gizmodo article, it says both decode and bitstream.

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Am I the only one reading this as no onboard HD decoding?

From Cnet's writeup on the 5500:

"Soundtrack support is solid, with onboard decoding for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio, plus the ability output high resolution audio in bitstream format."

So it looks like it will indeed be doing onboard HD audio decoding and passing them out via bitstream.

Lack of Reon HQV, not cool though.

CNet quick write up on Samsung 5500
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