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Old 08-15-2014, 10:17 PM
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Ah good to know it isnt just my unit and is instead "the design". My main source of music is Spotify over airplay so what I do for low volume listening is have the peachtree set up at 8 o'clock on the dial and then use the volume control on my ipad to lower the volume.

I know there is a potential quality loss in doing this, but since the volume is low I doubt it is perceptible anyway. Not the ideal solution but it works.
I have it connected to my computer and I have to turn it down either a notch or two and it usually ends up perfect but you will figure it out. For me I'm living in an apartment so you learn to manage.
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Hello there to all!

1st thing 1st - David & all Peachtree team - what an amazing story so far, innovation & great quality at a reasonable price point in an ever-more challenging society for currently middle-class workers And let us not forget the fact that it is so amazing to see you David, Jim etc. come and share here - just the way it should be

I am a proud owner of the 1st iteration of the Nova, teamed with the Polk LSi 7 speakers, and connected by entry level Kimble cables 4PR with banana connectors.

Time has come to invest for the pleasure of my musical soul. I will definitely be buying a pair of Sonus Faber Cremona M speakers (can't wait)!

My musical taste is as varied as they come, classical, rock, flamenco guitar, acid jazz, chill out a la cafe del mar, choirs, instrumental, punk, soul, even good rap sometimes...!

My room is 4x4m (hence not that big). I presume for normal listening levels the existing Nova will drive the SF speakers?

However I look to the long term when I will have more space in a nice house somewhere

And now here come the doubts, since the speaker's price is steep and I need to keep the amp price down without compromising quality.

1) Use Nova as preamp and pair it with a Peachtree 220 power amp (D class) - 700GBP

2) Use Nova as preamp and pair it with Emotiva XPA-2 (A/B class) - 700GBP

3) Get the real stuff: grand integrated X-1 - 3500GBP

Now yes I am aware testing/hearing each of these would serve me best, but that hardly seems possible...

The hidden questions are:

- Does Emotiva's A/B class topography indeed give more "tube like warm sound" than Peachtree D class?
- Does the Grand Integrated noticeably (say in +70% cases - if possible to quantify at all) improve the imaging/resolution/clarity compared to other 2 options?

In all honesty if the Grand Integrated is the way to go it won't be before a year or two before I will buy it really...

Hence all, David, Peachtree, please do share your thoughts regarding amp choices, and even the speaker choice I made for 5000GBP! I'm all about quality/musicality and long term

Finally the million $ question to David and Peachtree: is there something big cooking in your labs worth waiting for in the years to come - a new grand GRAND integrated ?

So once again thank you so much for all your constructive advice/info to which I am looking forward to !

Cheers,
Andrej

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Quote:Originally Posted by ilovesfa13

Having said this, there seems to be a lot of confusion to the up-side of the Grand that I thought I'd cover if you'll indulge me.

While the Grand Integrated does have more power..., that's just the start. Everything else, starting w/the preamp is far superior, however, none of this is not cheap to do...
Starting w the preamp, we're using a VCA volume gate. This gives us less than 1/200dB crosstalk. Any analog volume control we tried (even up to $175 our cost) gave us from 1-2.5 dB crosstalk. Losing the crosstalk gave us near perfect phase coherence. This means (as long as your speakers are very phase coherent, or "the same", which yours are) you'll get much better imaging, even well outside the speaker boundaries. I go into greater detail in the Grand review on 6moons.com if you're interested. We then come into the amp fully balanced allowing us much better gain and headroom.
Going to the headphone amp: The HP output is much stronger and also benefits greatly in the same way as your speakers from the VCA in the preamp. It will push any headphone that we've tested so far including the new HiFi Man. This is a piece that we wanted to be able to stand on its own fro the serious "Can Crowd".

The 9018 Reference Sabre is a HUGE improvement over any DAC we use now, or have ever used. This includes the Stereophile Class A iDac which uses the 9016. It's amazing how much better this DAC sounds. The 9018 is a star component and although all of the ESS DAC's we've used in the past get great magazine and customer reviews, the 9018 is simply in a different league. It just sounds more musical and effortless. And if I do say so myself (as humbly as possible) we did a really nice job w/the circuit design, which is just as important as the DAC itself.
So while it does boast the same looking numbers, other than the amp, don't rest on just numbers. If there's anything we've learned about DAC's, you can seldom go on just the numbers... There are many ways to implement the DAC circuit. Anything can go wrong or right in the process of adding in another 400 plus parts and then the overall circuit layout. This was a lesson learned well when we worked w/Musical Fidelity.
Lastly, it's made here in the USA. We get the case and transformer off shore, but anything that makes sound from boards to parts is from the USA.
For the last 7 months, we've pushed almost every "hard to drive" or "most respected" speaker in the industry. A lot of them are on Facebook.

Our message w/the Grand is "Sure, it will make almost any speaker sound awesome, but even more, if you've been wanting a set of B&W800's, Wilson Sophia/Sasha, Martin Logan CLX/Montis, Magnaplaner 20.7's or any of the awesome speakers out there. They're typically shown w/a $30k-$200k stack of electronics, which takes them way out of the price range of most people. We now have a GREAT solution for a fraction of that, and it pushes them all, with authority and musicality. At RMAF last year, we debuted the Sonus Faber Elipsa se and this year we used the $78k Reference One TAD. It's a boatload of fun carrying around a stack killer that can actually keep up with or surpass most any stack of gear we've come across. And WAF is actually on the table w/a piece like this too. Is there better? Yep probably, but you'd be spending a LOT more and giving up a lot more real estate.

The two reviews from 6moons and Audiostream can give you more detail if needed.

Thanks for letting me get on my soapbox and I sincerely hope this has helped.
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......waiting patiently to hear more about this SonaDac
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As a matter of fact I just realized it is worthwhile to add 1 further questions and an extra bit of info concerning the already lengthy description below.

Instead of getting a SF Cremona M I will get the SF Olympica 2/3.

-Realistically how much sound/signal quality may be lost IF I connect my Nova to the 220W Peachtree power amp (i.e. is it worthwile selling my Nova and buying the 220 SE integrated amp)?

Once again thanks, and looking forward to the collective wisdom
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Hello there to all!

1st thing 1st - David & all Peachtree team - what an amazing story so far, innovation & great quality at a reasonable price point in an ever-more challenging society for currently middle-class workers And let us not forget the fact that it is so amazing to see you David, Jim etc. come and share here - just the way it should be

I am a proud owner of the 1st iteration of the Nova, teamed with the Polk LSi 7 speakers, and connected by entry level Kimble cables 4PR with banana connectors.

Time has come to invest for the pleasure of my musical soul. I will definitely be buying a pair of Sonus Faber Cremona M speakers (can't wait)!

My musical taste is as varied as they come, classical, rock, flamenco guitar, acid jazz, chill out a la cafe del mar, choirs, instrumental, punk, soul, even good rap sometimes...!

My room is 4x4m (hence not that big). I presume for normal listening levels the existing Nova will drive the SF speakers?

However I look to the long term when I will have more space in a nice house somewhere

And now here come the doubts, since the speaker's price is steep and I need to keep the amp price down without compromising quality.

1) Use Nova as preamp and pair it with a Peachtree 220 power amp (D class) - 700GBP

2) Use Nova as preamp and pair it with Emotiva XPA-2 (A/B class) - 700GBP

3) Get the real stuff: grand integrated X-1 - 3500GBP

Now yes I am aware testing/hearing each of these would serve me best, but that hardly seems possible...

The hidden questions are:

- Does Emotiva's A/B class topography indeed give more "tube like warm sound" than Peachtree D class?
- Does the Grand Integrated noticeably (say in +70% cases - if possible to quantify at all) improve the imaging/resolution/clarity compared to other 2 options?

In all honesty if the Grand Integrated is the way to go it won't be before a year or two before I will buy it really...

Hence all, David, Peachtree, please do share your thoughts regarding amp choices, and even the speaker choice I made for 5000GBP! I'm all about quality/musicality and long term

Finally the million $ question to David and Peachtree: is there something big cooking in your labs worth waiting for in the years to come - a new grand GRAND integrated ?

So once again thank you so much for all your constructive advice/info to which I am looking forward to !

Cheers,
Andrej
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As a matter of fact I just realized it is worthwhile to add 1 further questions and an extra bit of info concerning the already lengthy description below.

Instead of getting a SF Cremona M I will get the SF Olympica 2/3.

-Realistically how much sound/signal quality may be lost IF I connect my Nova to the 220W Peachtree power amp (i.e. is it worthwile selling my Nova and buying the 220 SE integrated amp)?

Once again thanks, and looking forward to the collective wisdom
Andrej
I currently have a Peachtree 220se driving a pair of Aerial 7ts. How much better is the Grand Integrated X1 compared to the 220se. Is it just more power or will I get better imaging, a better soundstage, and what about the bass?
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Hello All. I need some info.

The headphone output of my Decco65 is insufficient. Instead of purchasing more sensitive headphones I'm thinking about adding a Schiit headphone amp.

1. With the Peachtree's preamp output driving the Schiit Asgard 2, will the Peachtree's speaker output still be 'live' ?

2.Assuming the Peachtree's speaker output would indeed still be 'live', would plugging a headphone plug (plug only...no headphone attached) into the Peachtree headphone jack mute the speaker output ?

3. Assuming the speaker output does indeed mute, there would be no 'load' on the Peachtree's headphone circuit. Over time could this damage the Peachtree ?

Thanks for this great forum.
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Can someone tell me if the coax SPDIF on the Decco accepts high resolution signals? I haven't been able to hear 24/96 content fed to that input from my outboard USB to SPDIF box.

I read that the USB input is limited to 16/44. Bummer.
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Can someone tell me if the coax SPDIF on the Decco accepts high resolution signals? I haven't been able to hear 24/96 content fed to that input from my outboard USB to SPDIF box.

I read that the USB input is limited to 16/44. Bummer.
I'm using it on the Nova. It is of the same vintage (and also has the limited USB input), so I suspect you should be able to. With optical, I have trouble with 96kHz, but with coax (using a USB/coax converter) it is flawless.
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My mistake. I can play 96KHz but not the 192KHz tracks I have.
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I have a new 220 SE. Would it be bad to leave powered it on all the time? Or is there a benefit to putting it into "standby" mode when it's not in use?

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According to Peachtree's website Nova 220SE is 1$1599, but the Nova 125SE is $1499. The website states the 125 is sold out, and Crutchfield is saying the same. With the 220 price cut was the 125 cancelled? That would leave the 220 and the 65.
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Peachtree 220se

Hi all,

Thought I'd share my Peachtree experiences.

I had the Peachtree Nova 125se last year with a pair of KEF LS50's. Amazing combination! It played my music the way I'd always wanted to hear it.

I then decided to go the route of a 5.2 setup with 5 x KEF LS50's, Pioneer SC-LX88 and 2 x SVS SB-2000's. This was the closest receiver that I could find and test, that came closest to that 125se/LS50 combination (to me) - I had tested an Anthem MRX 710 and a Denon 4520 with the LS50's also by the way.

It was an awesome setup but I found that I listened to music 95% of the time and rarely watched TV or Movies (apart form sport every now and then), so after a year or so of thoroughly enjoying that Pioneer/LS50 setup, I decided it was best to go back to a 2-channel setup.

So I now have the Peachtree 220se and am waiting for a pair of GoldenEar Triton Ones to arrive.

I've had the Peachtree 220se playing with a couple of old Wharfedale bookshelf speakers temporarily while I wait for the Tritons and the music coming from these speakers really brought a smile to my face.

I did the 5.2 thing (even tried the 5.2.4 Atmos configuration with the Pioneer receiver for a short while) and for my own listening needs (mostly music) I don't think I'll ever do it again and will stick with a 2-chanel setup.

Happy to share my experience with the 220se/Triton One combination later, if anyone is interested.

I'm so happy to be a Peachtree owner again. Unlike the 125se, this 220se is never leaving ! I've learnt my lesson and won't make the same mistake again :-)
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Hi all,

Thought I'd share my Peachtree experiences.

I had the Peachtree Nova 125se last year with a pair of KEF LS50's. Amazing combination! It played my music the way I'd always wanted to hear it.

I then decided to go the route of a 5.2 setup with 5 x KEF LS50's, Pioneer SC-LX88 and 2 x SVS SB-2000's. This was the closest receiver that I could find and test, that came closest to that 125se/LS50 combination (to me) - I had tested an Anthem MRX 710 and a Denon 4520 with the LS50's also by the way.

It was an awesome setup but I found that I listened to music 95% of the time and rarely watched TV or Movies (apart form sport every now and then), so after a year or so of thoroughly enjoying that Pioneer/LS50 setup, I decided it was best to go back to a 2-channel setup.

So I now have the Peachtree 220se and am waiting for a pair of GoldenEar Triton Ones to arrive.

I've had the Peachtree 220se playing with a couple of old Wharfedale bookshelf speakers temporarily while I wait for the Tritons and the music coming from these speakers really brought a smile to my face.

I did the 5.2 thing (even tried the 5.2.4 Atmos configuration with the Pioneer receiver for a short while) and for my own listening needs (mostly music) I don't think I'll ever do it again and will stick with a 2-chanel setup.

Happy to share my experience with the 220se/Triton One combination later, if anyone is interested.

I'm so happy to be a Peachtree owner again. Unlike the 125se, this 220se is never leaving ! I've learnt my lesson and won't make the same mistake again :-)
Hi all,

I got a couple PM's but I can't reply because I don't yet have enough posts. So to those people, please be patient, I will reply as soon as possible :-)

Cheers.
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According to Peachtree's website Nova 220SE is 1$1599, but the Nova 125SE is $1499. The website states the 125 is sold out, and Crutchfield is saying the same. With the 220 price cut was the 125 cancelled? That would leave the 220 and the 65.
I'm curious about this too. Anyone here have an idea what the story is...I'm leaning towards picking up a peach tree unit...but think the 220 is too much and the 65 isnt quiet enough....is there just a high demand for the 125se that i need to wait for them to be available again or did they kill the product?
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I'm curious about this too. Anyone here have an idea what the story is...I'm leaning towards picking up a peach tree unit...but think the 220 is too much and the 65 isnt quiet enough....is there just a high demand for the 125se that i need to wait for them to be available again or did they kill the product?
Hi mate, I don't think they killed the product. But it may be worth emailing Crutchfield just to confirm? Or even Peachtree directly - their customer service is fantastic.

Cheers

PS: Hi @aggmiami , I still haven't reached 15 posts yet, so I can't reply to any PM's just yet. I'll get to you as soon as I make 15 posts ! :-)
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Hi mate, I don't think they killed the product. But it may be worth emailing Crutchfield just to confirm? Or even Peachtree directly - their customer service is fantastic.

Cheers
Good suggestion....hit up peachtree directly, and just got an email back saying the 125se is discontinued, hence the reason for the price drop on the 65 and 220. Now the question is which one do I pick up. Going to be using it to power a pair of new CM6s and thinking the 220 is a bit too much for them. Might need to see if there is a shop that has them local to SF and demo it.
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PS: Hi @aggmiami , I still haven't reached 15 posts yet, so I can't reply to any PM's just yet. I'll get to you as soon as I make 15 posts ! :-)
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Good suggestion....hit up peachtree directly, and just got an email back saying the 125se is discontinued, hence the reason for the price drop on the 65 and 220. Now the question is which one do I pick up. Going to be using it to power a pair of new CM6s and thinking the 220 is a bit too much for them. Might need to see if there is a shop that has them local to SF and demo it.
Hi mate

Surprised to hear they are discontinuing the 125SE. I had great memories with that amp!

Definitely try and demo them with the same speakers you have.

Also remember the differences between the 125se and 220se are not only power. Have a read through the product pages on Peachtree's website.

If you do audition both of the amps make sure you compare them at low volume too. That might be the only reason I would go for the 125se's but that's only because I have very sensitive speakers. So try that with the CM6's :-)

Let us know how you go!

I'm looking forward to hearing the new SonaDAC and SonaAMP products. If you can wait a few weeks that might be worth an audition too! I some some preliminary details on their facebook.

Cheers mate
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Good suggestion....hit up peachtree directly, and just got an email back saying the 125se is discontinued, hence the reason for the price drop on the 65 and 220. Now the question is which one do I pick up. Going to be using it to power a pair of new CM6s and thinking the 220 is a bit too much for them. Might need to see if there is a shop that has them local to SF and demo it.
Apologies for the double post. But you may get an awesome clearance price on the 125se too, so don't limit yourself to the 65se and 220se for your demo's!

Just depends if the shops have stock though.

Cheers again
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Any news on this?



http://www.peachtreeaudio.com/sonadac-sonaamp.html

The website is a bit thin on detail, especially regarding the amp. But it looks cool.
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http://www.peachtreeaudio.com/sonadac-sonaamp.html

The website is a bit thin on detail, especially regarding the amp. But it looks cool.
Well I guess we know why the nova125 was cancelled now. Only one color, less power, and worse distortion than the nova125, all for more money.

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Well I guess we know why the nova125 was cancelled now. Only one color, less power, and worse distortion than the nova125, all for more money.
I spoke to Peachtree because I was curious too. It's actually going to be a differential design, so a lot more components inside than the novaSE line, as well as higher end components overall. The Preamp/DAC will also have a bigger and better power supply. Then theres the new ICEPower amp too.

So I wouldn't judge it on some specs alone! Definitely worth a listen when they become available in stores for demo.

If you can't tell, I'm a massive Peachtree fan, having had the Nova125, then Nova125SE and now 220SE :-)
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I have the original Nova, augmented with a more powerful amp.

Does anyone know if the Sona amp can be run as a monoblock?
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Big sale on Amazon on high end audio equipment. The nova220se is only $1600, quite a steal considered against the full msrp I paid for my nova125

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There are factory refurb-ed 220SEs on peachtree's site, and ebay, for $1199. I picked one up last week, paired to my b&w cm9s2. Really makes them sing. The 200se is impressively powerful. The mids and lows are brought out fantastically! The highs are crisp, but my Naim unitilite does a far better job on the highs... the Naim was far sharper and brought great life to the music!

Still not sure if I'd keep this amp or not in the long run. I'll be trying out a Krell and Parasound too.
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There are factory refurb-ed 220SEs on peachtree's site, and ebay, for $1199. I picked one up last week, paired to my b&w cm9s2. Really makes them sing. The 200se is impressively powerful. The mids and lows are brought out fantastically! The highs are crisp, but my Naim unitilite does a far better job on the highs... the Naim was far sharper and brought great life to the music!

Still not sure if I'd keep this amp or not in the long run. I'll be trying out a Krell and Parasound too.
Hi Rahul,

Always great to read the review of a fellow Peachtree owner.

Regarding your observations of the 220se's highs, is that with the tube off?

I agree with your other comments about the bass and mids.

If you can try other amps then you definitely should, to find the right match with your speakers.

I have to say my 220se amp and my GoldenEar speakers are a great match for my music.

Keep us posted about what direction you end up going in.

Cheers :-)

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Hi Rahul,

Always great to read the review of a fellow Peachtree owner.

Regarding your observations of the 220se's highs, is that with the tube off?

I agree with your other comments about the bass and mids.

If you can try other amps then you definitely should, to find the right match with your speakers.

I have to say my 220se amp and my GoldenEar speakers are a great match for my music.

Keep us posted about what direction you end up going in.

Cheers :-)
Also, I did hear my speakers with a Naim setup (Superuniti I think) and it sounded incredibly good. But at 3-4 times the price of the 220se, it was an easy decision for me :-)

But the Superuniti is the upgrade I'd like but that won't be for a long while. Super happy with the 220se for at least few years!

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Hi Rahul,

Always great to read the review of a fellow Peachtree owner.

Regarding your observations of the 220se's highs, is that with the tube off?

I agree with your other comments about the bass and mids.

If you can try other amps then you definitely should, to find the right match with your speakers.

I have to say my 220se amp and my GoldenEar speakers are a great match for my music.

Keep us posted about what direction you end up going in.

Cheers :-)
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Also, I did hear my speakers with a Naim setup (Superuniti I think) and it sounded incredibly good. But at 3-4 times the price of the 220se, it was an easy decision for me :-)

But the Superuniti is the upgrade I'd like but that won't be for a long while. Super happy with the 220se for at least few years!

Glad to find some fellow Peachtree users as well. To my surprise, the Nova 220SE did not have many reviews online (especially compared to other int. amps from established names like Naim, Krell, or Cambrige Audio...). Neither did I find many threads in this forum of Peachtree users.

Thus, I was antsy ordering the 220SE, but since they have a 30 day return policy, I took the plunge. I'm glad I did... these make my B&W sing like the Unitilite couldn't. The 220SE isn't even trying... at 15-20% of the total volume, my living room is filled with sound. It's quite impressive. The mids are fantastic on this amp. The bass is strong too.

The unitilite did a poor performance on the bass. Though, like I said, the highs were so exceptionally crisp. (Maybe fatiguing for some, given the B&W speakers tend to be bright).

The observations are with the tube on or off. Embarrassingly - maybe it's just me - I could tell NO difference with the tube on or off. I tried even letting it 'warm up' for an hour (if it needs that (?) ). Maybe it's me.. maybe it's my speakers. I tried difference sources and styles of music too...

What difference can you tell with respect to the tube? Care to explain?

Cheers!
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