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I'm a college student with my tax refund to blow on an audio setup.

I'm having a hard time deciding what to get. My first love is music followed closely by moves. Over the past year I've been building a vinyl collection that has yet to be heard on a good set of speakers.

Is it worth getting the Polk Monitor 70's if all I'm able to afford is a Sony STR DN1000 afterward? Yes, I could just get a stereo receiver, but I'm hoping to expand later.

Other options or opinions are welcome.
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Speakers first !
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I would also suggest a good turntable and cartridge but even suggesting such a thing will open an enormous can 'o worms.

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I would also suggest a good turntable and cartridge but even suggesting such a thing will open an enormous can 'o worms.

What can 'o worms? I'd like to add a suggestion of a good 8-track tape deck too
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Haha, too bad my interests of old jazz and indie don't really jive with the 8 track. That would be quite the sight.
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Speakers, all the way. And a sub, if you can afford one. Everything else in a setup is kind of, well, trivial by comparison.
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Without a doubt speakers for two reasons. They, by far, affect the sound you hear more than anything else in a system. Second, they have relatively low resale value compared to receivers. So buy the best possible speakers you can afford and skimp if you need on the receiver. Then when you have the capability to upgrade you will be much better off. In the meantime, your receiver will sound ok on your speakers...maybe just not a great as they will with a better receiver later on.

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After years in this hobby I've come to believe that when two present-day amplifiers (or in this case receivers) are closely volume matched, have all equalization defeated, and each is operating within it's design limits then audible differences between the two will be very very hard to discern, if they can be discerned at all. ..This audibility b/w speakers, on the other hand, tends to be much easier to discern.

So long as your current receiver can produce enough power to drive the speakers you want to the volumes you want, I would say stick with it unless you desire more features, better build-quality (warranty, tactile fit/finish), or better appearance.
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Used speakers like the vintage Polk SDA 2B, RTA11T, or Monitor 7 or 10 for about $200.

Polk SL2000WC $3 DIY mod. Smaller the uf, the less harsh your SL2000 is.
1. SRS: .47 uf/250v mylar cap top SL2000, 1.0 2nd, 1.0 3rd, .47 bottom
2. 2.3: 1.0 middle
3. 1C: 1.0 top
4. 2B: 1.0
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I've about decided what to do. I have in my cart a
*Sony STR DN1000,
*2 monitor 60's,
*Cs2,
*and a PWS 10.

That is all I can afford. I'll be eating ramen for a while too. They are also all on "sale" at newegg. Is there any reason to not get these?
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I agree speakers is the way to go.

But I think that receivers lose value faster than good speakers.

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Without a doubt speakers for two reasons. They, by far, affect the sound you hear more than anything else in a system. Second, they have relatively low resale value compared to receivers. So buy the best possible speakers you can afford and skimp if you need on the receiver. Then when you have the capability to upgrade you will be much better off. In the meantime, your receiver will sound ok on your speakers...maybe just not a great as they will with a better receiver later on.

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Used speakers like the vintage Polk SDA 2B, RTA11T, or Monitor 7 or 10 for about $200.

Just got some mint RTA11tl for $80 on C's list!
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After years in this hobby I've come to believe that when two present-day amplifiers (or in this case receivers) are closely volume matched, have all equalization defeated, and each is operating within it's design limits then audible differences between the two will be very very hard to discern, if they can be discerned at all.

I just can't agree with that statement. Having gone thru at least 15 units over the last 40 years, there is a noticable difference in sound quality ... if you mean to say receivers that are in the $400 and under price range, I'd maybe agree to a point.

If the OP is looking for quality sound at an affordable price point, take a look at budget offerings from Harmon Kardon, Marantz, Klipsch ..

You'll be much happier longer term ..

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I've about decided what to do. I have in my cart a
*Sony STR DN1000,
*2 monitor 60's,
*Cs2,
*and a PWS 10.

That is all I can afford. I'll be eating ramen for a while too. They are also all on "sale" at newegg. Is there any reason to not get these?

That's a nice little system you have picked out. I would look at one of the budget Dayton subs or hold out for a different sub. As the PSW is not a very good sub and has poor extension. Better to hold out and look around for a used sub or something on close out.
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Just got some mint RTA11tl for $80 on C's list!

Incredible deal! I'm using the RTA11t for my fronts and a upgraded CSI3 center for a perfect match front LCR http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...hmentid=152794

You can do the same thing if HT is your goal. A used SL3000 tweeter for $30 and a 3" hole to drop it in will match your RTA11TL perfect.

Polk SL2000WC $3 DIY mod. Smaller the uf, the less harsh your SL2000 is.
1. SRS: .47 uf/250v mylar cap top SL2000, 1.0 2nd, 1.0 3rd, .47 bottom
2. 2.3: 1.0 middle
3. 1C: 1.0 top
4. 2B: 1.0
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Thanks for the tip. It seems that subs are on sale a lot too. I will hold out.
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Thanks so much for your input. I changed my mind one final time and got the Sony DN1000 and two monitor 70's. Lots to add later of course, but a good place to start. Y'all have been such help. Thanks!
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Have you thought of getting used equipment?

I recently bought a $5000 list pair of speakers for $2500 on Audiogon. Arrived in perfect condition. Similar bargains can be had for all levels of equipment.

I financed it by selling an amp I no longer wanted on the same site.

Yes, there is a slight risk, but it definitely enables you to stretch your budget.

Try: http://audiogon.com
http://hififlo.com/
http://www.msshifi.com/
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Definitely go used for both speakers and amplification. Get a good, high value integrated (NAD, Cambridge) and forget surround sound.
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I think you did good, speakers are more important. Im running 2 Monitor 70's off a HK 3490 and could not be happier. They sound great for music and movies. That polk PSW sub as mentioned sucks bad dont get it. If you want more bass just turn it up, with the monitor 70's you will get enough bass to hold you over till you can afford a real sub.
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I'd suggest skipping the center channel for now and put that money toward a Denon or Onkyo with Audyssey MultEQ. Also, I've seen quite a few posts about the bad Polk subs, so heed the warnings and do more research in the subwoofer forum.
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Definitely go used for both speakers and amplification. Get a good, high value integrated (NAD, Cambridge) and forget surround sound.

Without a doubt go with used. You will be wasting good money if you don't.

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They finally came in today! My roommate and I dropped everything to set them up and listen to a couple of vinyls way too loudly before the neighbors came home. Thanks again for steering me in the right direction! I'll be scouring for a used sub to purchase next...
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Always the speakers first.
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