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post #1171 of 1219 Old 04-04-2014, 11:54 PM
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I'm going to start saving for the PM-2. By the time it is released there should be plenty of reviews of the PM-1 and they are supposed to sound virtually the same from what I gather in the pre release blurb. I don't really need a 400 dollar wooden box to hold my headphones in.

A couple of people just posted impressions of the PM-1s today in the dedicated thread for them at Head-Fi.

I wouldn't count on them being virtually the same for that difference in price. Probably bound to be some differences, or why would anyone want to spend the extra few hundred dollars?

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Well, if they are like all the other high-end planar magnetic headphones of recent years, I will wait a couple of years for the recalls and revisions to get sorted out. The PM-1 Rev. 3 is probably going to sound great!
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I feel similarly... Especially considering how long it took them to finally settle on design issues. This thing was supposed to have been released last fall. I would like to add a 2Nd planar though, and I love that its an American company.


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Well, if they are like all the other high-end planar magnetic headphones of recent years, I will wait a couple of years for the recalls and revisions to get sorted out. The PM-1 Rev. 3 is probably going to sound great!
Seriously, never buy serial number one or rev 1 of a product.

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Seriously, never buy serial number one or rev 1 of a product.

It's not really revision one of the PM-1s anyway. They've been using beta testers over at Head-Fi and revising it prior to the first mainstream production release.

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It's not really revision one of the PM-1s anyway. They've been using beta testers over at Head-Fi and revising it prior to the first mainstream production release.
Yea but seriously, when was the last time you saw a high end headphone get a bad review from users at Head-Fi? Or anywhere else for that matter. Im not sure how trustworthy those "reviews" or testings are considering the people over build up products even before anyone has ever heard them. Take the upcoming HE-560i's for example. Which I have actually heard and would NOT pay more money for over the HE-500's.
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I wouldn't count on them being virtually the same for that difference in price. Probably bound to be some differences, or why would anyone want to spend the extra few hundred dollars?

Looking at the site it looks like slight cosmetic changes and the box. I thought I remembered reading that the drivers were exactly the same.
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Yea but seriously, when was the last time you saw a high end headphone get a bad review from users at Head-Fi?

My understanding is that they were not previewing it, but actually beta testing and offering feedback.
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Looking at the site it looks like slight cosmetic changes and the box. I thought I remembered reading that the drivers were exactly the same.

I'll cross my fingers that you are right, although it doesn't make sense to me. LOL

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I dunno, that box may be worth $400.00...

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^^^^ Wow. Wish manufacturers that do that would lower the price of the headphones and give me a cheaper box. That box IS beautiful but seriously, its just going to go in storage.

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^^^^ Wow. Wish manufacturers that do that would lower the price of the headphones and give me a cheaper box. That box IS beautiful but seriously, its just going to go in storage.

OPPO is going to do that in June with the PM-2
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True, but the Fancy box isn't the only thing the PM-2 will lack.
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True, but the Fancy box isn't the only thing the PM-2 will lack.

Maybe they will use the same drivers, and they will stick some tape in it like the HD558 vs. the HD598 smile.gif

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Maybe they will use the same drivers, and they will stick some tape in it like the HD558 vs. the HD598 smile.gif

That would be nice. Doubtful, but nice.

PS: I know I dont have to mention that there is more than just a piece of tape differentiating the two Senns. That and the fact that the 558 is actually the better sounding headphone (at least to my ears). wink.gif
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Oh come on you can store your memorabilia in that box? Pictures any one, expensive watches, fountain pens, diamonds, gold you name it biggrin.gif

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My understanding is that they were not previewing it, but actually beta testing and offering feedback.
I'll cross my fingers that you are right, although it doesn't make sense to me. LOL

From what I have read on Head-Fi, the beta testers definitely had a lot of input on the development of the headphones. But with so many opinions, ultimately it was up to Oppo to decide what changes they wanted to make. At least Oppo was listening to them. That's probably more than most manufacturers would do.

 

We'll have to wait for some more impressions to know for sure how good they are. There are a few impressions of the production version from the NY Head-Fi meet. Unfortunately, none of those impressions seemed too good. I hope to have a chance to listen to them soon.

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That would be nice. Doubtful, but nice.

PS: I know I dont have to mention that there is more than just a piece of tape differentiating the two Senns. That and the fact that the 558 is actually the better sounding headphone (at least to my ears). wink.gif

The drivers are the same, though, according to what I've read. The difference appears to be the slightly different enclosure, which is why removing the tape gets those headphones pretty close in SQ.

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The drivers are the same, though, according to what I've read. The difference appears to be the slightly different enclosure, which is why removing the tape gets those headphones pretty close in SQ.

I used to own the 598 and currently own the 558. Drivers are the same but they dont sound the same - with or without tape.

There is a lot of room for Oppo to make the PM-1 and PM-2 different with or without using the same drivers. Just look at all the Fostex T50RP based headphones out there.
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Maybe they will use the same drivers, and they will stick some tape in it like the HD558 vs. the HD598 smile.gif

That's why I 'modded' my first over the ear headphones, Senn hd 555


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^^^^ Wow. Wish manufacturers that do that would lower the price of the headphones and give me a cheaper box. That box IS beautiful but seriously, its just going to go in storage.

 

Reminds me of the HD-700s, where the box weighs more than the headphones. Apparently with some types of customers the fancy box is a big deal. I like how the Audeze cans come in Pelican cases. 

 

I have to wait another two-and-a-half weeks to hear them now. I only heard the original prototypes. It's going to be a good year for planar headphones I reckon.


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For headphones I have an AKG Q701 that I use with my laptop, ODAC, and my Pioneer SX-750. Don't use them very much anymore since I prefer my near field speakers.

For on the go I use a Samsung Galaxy S4 with a pair of Vsonic GR01 in ear monitors. They actually sound pretty darn good.

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Comparing someone B&W P7 to Sony R1/RBT1 if a significant difference between them in the sound?
Listen will mainly: pop, rap, rnb, and a bit classics on Ibasso Dx90
It is desirable that did not have porridge a relatively good vocals and deep bass.
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I wired up my AKG Q701 so I can hook it to the speaker taps on my Emotiva Mini-X speaker amp.





I cut the 3.5mm end off of the supplied 9 meter cable that I never use and decided to hook it up. I used a multi-meter to figure out which color wire was ground, left, and right and quickly wired it up. It gets loud at the 8 o'clock position on the volume knob so there is barely any throw on the knob, but the knob has fine enough control to dial in the volume I desire so it works just fine. The other option at my disposal is to set a negative preamp level in the Equalizer APO program I use for system wide EQ. If I set a -6dB preamp level it gives me a bit better control of the volume which lets me bring it up to about 9 o'clock on the knob. It is almost dead silent with the music paused, so no unbearable hiss to speak of, just a very very slight hiss that you'd really have to listen for.

The sound is ridiculous. I haven't really used my Q701 in a long time, but I don't remember them sounding quite this good. Huge soundstage, great imaging, killer bass impact(for a Q701 anyway) and tons of detail. EQ'ing them with Equalizer APO is nice as well. I added just a touch of sub-bass, have a very narrow mild cut at 2k, another cut centered at 7k and then added a touch of sparkle centered at 14k.

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If anyone is looking for a somewhat neutral phone, I just got the new Soundmagic HP150s, a revision of the HP100s. They got rid of the disco mirror ball style cups, supplied a short cable with extension (instead of coiled cable), and upgraded the case a little.

The sound has a very slight rise in the bass and the treble over the mids.

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