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So currently I'm using a pair of SOL Republic TracksHD headphones that I got on clearance for $45 and I like them. I use them a lot for when I'm on the go. Never use them at home since my M-Audio AV40s sound much better.

But I just heard this pair of headphones went on sale and there's actually one in stock at my local best buy. At that price it seems tempting. The reviews are really good for it. Thinking about buying it with my BB gift card.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-ove...&skuId=9420065
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So currently I'm using a pair of SOL Republic TracksHD headphones that I got on clearance for $45 and I like them. I use them a lot for when I'm on the go. Never use them at home since my M-Audio AV40s sound much better.

But I just heard this pair of headphones went on sale and there's actually one in stock at my local best buy. At that price it seems tempting. The reviews are really good for it. Thinking about buying it with my BB gift card.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-ove...&skuId=9420065
Yeah. Supposedly very good for a bluetooth Here's a review: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content...bt-and-mdr-1nc

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So currently I'm using a pair of SOL Republic TracksHD headphones that I got on clearance for $45 and I like them. I use them a lot for when I'm on the go. Never use them at home since my M-Audio AV40s sound much better.

But I just heard this pair of headphones went on sale and there's actually one in stock at my local best buy. At that price it seems tempting. The reviews are really good for it. Thinking about buying it with my BB gift card.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-ove...&skuId=9420065
That is a crazy good price. If you want a bluetooth headphone I am not aware of any better options at that price.

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That is a crazy good price. If you want a bluetooth headphone I am not aware of any better options at that price.

I haven't really wanted bluetooth headphones, but that price tempted me. I wish it had aptx.

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Sennheiser HD 800 with Woo Audio WA6 amp, fed by a Sony 5400ES SACD player.

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Just finally got myself a pair of Sennheiser HD650s.

Absolutely in love.

After going from V-Moda M-100s to PSB M4U 2s to NAD Viso HP50s to these, I finally think I'm 99% satisfied (there's always a little extra room for desire). Won't be making any new headphone purchases for quite a while I do think...
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Just finally got myself a pair of Sennheiser HD650s.

Absolutely in love.

After going from V-Moda M-100s to PSB M4U 2s to NAD Viso HP50s to these, I finally think I'm 99% satisfied (there's always a little extra room for desire). Won't be making any new headphone purchases for quite a while I do think...
I have the 650HD as well. They are a wonderful headphone. Yea, you can always do better, but the 650s are at a good enough point for sure.
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Sennheiser HD 800 with Woo Audio WA6 amp, fed by a Sony 5400ES SACD player.
The Sony 5400 has a headphone amp. Why would one think another one is required?
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The Sony 5400 has a headphone amp. Why would one think another one is required?
Because the built-in one sounds horrible! The HD800s are notoriously hard to drive, partly due to their high impedance, and when plugged straight into to the Sony's headphone amp the sound is unbearably shrill, tinny, and lacking in bass/dynamics. It's a little better with the Oppo 105's amp, but both pale in comparison to the WA6.

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The Sony 5400 has a headphone amp. Why would one think another one is required?
Often the built-in headphone amps on audio equipment are an afterthought and not well done. I haven't heard the one in the 5400, though--have you?

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Hi all - I built a tool that matches headphones with amps based on various calculations like power output, damping factor, peak SPL, etc.

I made it for myself to find good amps for my new headphones, but maybe you guys will find it useful as well. It's live at www.audiobot9000.com (sorry about the crappy UI).
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need some help guys. Was planning to purchase a schiit M&M combo for my headphones to go a long with my 2.1 desktop rig but unfortunately my avr891 took a s***. So now i'm looking at an integrated for my whole setup. What do you guys recommend? Was thinking about a vintage but all the wires to and from my sub is not ideal. Looking to spend up to $300 but of course cheaper is better. I dont mind buying used or refurb. If it helps these are the phones i'll be running th-600, he-400i (on the way), and dt770 80ohm.
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need some help guys. Was planning to purchase a schiit M&M combo for my headphones to go a long with my 2.1 desktop rig but unfortunately my avr891 took a s***. So now i'm looking at an integrated for my whole setup. What do you guys recommend? Was thinking about a vintage but all the wires to and from my sub is not ideal. Looking to spend up to $300 but of course cheaper is better. I dont mind buying used or refurb. If it helps these are the phones i'll be running th-600, he-400i (on the way), and dt770 80ohm.
he-400i are 35 ohm impedance; th-600 are 25 ohm. Older vintage amps were not designed for low impedance headphones, and many newer amps may not be either. Unfortunately, manufacturers are not very good about providing headphone output impedance for many amps and receivers, so it's hard to know what you'll be getting.

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need some help guys. Was planning to purchase a schiit M&M combo for my headphones to go a long with my 2.1 desktop rig but unfortunately my avr891 took a s***. So now i'm looking at an integrated for my whole setup. What do you guys recommend? Was thinking about a vintage but all the wires to and from my sub is not ideal. Looking to spend up to $300 but of course cheaper is better. I dont mind buying used or refurb. If it helps these are the phones i'll be running th-600, he-400i (on the way), and dt770 80ohm.

Denon's headphones are typically 25 ohm. Get another denon avr. I'd be surprised if they put out an avr that wouldn't drive their own headphones.
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Denon's headphones are typically 25 ohm. Get another denon avr. I'd be surprised if they put out an avr that wouldn't drive their own headphones.
Sme of the Denon AVRs have terrible headphone amps. They tend to be a designer's afterthought in most AVRs, including Denon's. The amp in my Denon 3805 made headphones sound bass-shy and shrill. The amp in my Denon 4310 was much better, but not as good as a stand-alone headphone amp.

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Denon's headphones are typically 25 ohm. Get another denon avr. I'd be surprised if they put out an avr that wouldn't drive their own headphones.
I'm sorry. I love my Denon receiver. I like Denon products. But I would never jump to that conclusion. If the headphone output in their receivers is so darn good, why wouldn't they provide specs?

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he-400i are 35 ohm impedance; th-600 are 25 ohm. Older vintage amps were not designed for low impedance headphones, and many newer amps may not be either. Unfortunately, manufacturers are not very good about providing headphone output impedance for many amps and receivers, so it's hard to know what you'll be getting.
This what i dont understand either. As headphones are becoming more mainstream you would think that these companies would put out something that would integrate a better amp dac that would cater to audiophile cans

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Sme of the Denon AVRs have terrible headphone amps. They tend to be a designer's afterthought in most AVRs, including Denon's. The amp in my Denon 3805 made headphones sound bass-shy and shrill. The amp in my Denon 4310 was much better, but not as good as a stand-alone headphone amp.
thats why i'm glad (well not literally) that my 891 went out. i did a a/b comparison with my fiio e18. When i plugged the th600 up to the avr everything sounded muddy and recessed compared to the fiio. i thought i was imagining things since the mids are recessed and its a bass canon. so a took out my pair of asg2 that i know it doesn't have recessed mids. what i found was night and day difference when comparing my receiver to the fiio. these avr's are trash when it comes to headphones.

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I'm sorry. I love my Denon receiver. I like Denon products. But I would never jump to that conclusion. If the headphone output in their receivers is so darn good, why wouldn't they provide specs?
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But i'm still looking guys and all suggestions are welcomed
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I'm sorry. I love my Denon receiver. I like Denon products. But I would never jump to that conclusion. If the headphone output in their receivers is so darn good, why wouldn't they provide specs?
I didn't say it was good, just that it would drive them. I made no claims to the audio fidelity of the output. I did actually write denon when considering headphones and got this response.

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Response Via Email(NJ Customer Service & Support) - 04/21/2011 11:43 AM
I apologize for the delayed response. You can use any headphones on this unit with any impedance. It will definitely support the 300 ohm headphones you're considering.


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I find the output on the 3311ci fine for use. For example late night TV watching, I have no input that will get TV to my headphone amp, but I can get it to the 3311ci. I"ve used it with internet radio as well and it was fine. For critical listening with my oppo 95, I use a headphone amp.

When I bought my sennheiser 650HDs I was still shopping for a headphone amp and used the denon for a while. My only point was the question asked seemed to indicate that because his avr failed he'd have to defer a heaphone amp purchase a while. He could do that with a Denon, it may not be ideal, but my 3311ci output is not that bad.
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I didn't say it was good, just that it would drive them. I made no claims to the audio fidelity of the output. I did actually write denon when considering headphones and got this response.
Denon's response to you seems to be an answer to your query about 300 ohm headphones. It's well known that receivers typically do well with driving higher impedance headphones. It's low impedance headphones that are the issue. Reread what I said above in post 1213 and then read this:
http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/02/...impedance.html

One might also improperly guess that because low impedance headphones are now so popular, that computer sound cards would have the proper output impedance to drive them. But not true. Creative's new Soundblaster Z has a low output impedance of 22 ohms.

Now, even if your 3311ci would work well for low output impedance headphones, I don't know why you think you can extrapolate to all Denon receivers. That is itself fallacious logic.

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