Originally Posted by AJinFLA
Would you consider that a sales pitch of subjectivity, or....?
Subjectivity? Not at all. First, it was not a sales pitch since you would be buying that USB to S/PDIF adapter from the manufacturer, not me. Second, I suggested to buy the device and test it blind at home. Or yes, I remember. You think any blind test that you have to run is too hard. So naturally you would think that I was suggesting a subjective test.
Me offering you to evaluate a device at home is not at all a defense for you selling speakers based on no unbiased hearing tests. Let me repeat: you are selling speakers that have had no unbiased hearing test. The speakers my company sells from Harman have been through such a test. So can we agree your speakers are not as good as theirs? Or is objectivity out the window the minute you become a speaker salesman and money becomes more important than science?
I wish! Then I could put on a straight face and just lie and lie, completely fabricate a tale, about having done blind tests on my speakers...
You did worse than that AJ. You looked like a crook running away from 60 minute cameras with those posts. All at a time when you are trying to be a speaker salesman. If you had lied, you would be the only want to know. But with those posts, we all know you are not an honest and up front poster -- about blind testing or being a speaker salesman.
So you didn't explain that to him that he wasn't an objectivist at all? For not blind testing his speakers? You naughty little hypocrite.
Why? Because you are confused how the real world objectivists work? You worship Floyd. Do you think he walks around all day doing blind tests? Do you think he never powers on a speaker and listens to it subjectively? Of course he does. We all do.
But you don't belong in our camp because you also didn't do blind tests. Reasons are:
1. We have all run countless blind tests in our career to verify our understanding of audio. By your admission, you have run none to increase your understanding of speakers.
2. We all have educational background to match what we do. You are a civil engineer with zero education to back speaker or audio design.
3. We understand the technology we are talking about. You don't understand a thing about DACs, amplifier design, HDMI, etc.
So just because all of us go to same grocery store as you do, doesn't mean for a moment that you belong to the same camp as us. Or that you can justify your actions through what we do.
IOW, your definition of "hear" isn't the audible soundwaves one.
You sure you want to run with that? Because I said my definition in that sentence was what *you* hear. If you are saying you are incapable of hearing, then that is fine by me
No amirm, I'm saying you (amirm) can't hear 10x lower THD, from 0.01% to .001% measured.
THD? Who talked about THD? Jitter doesn't create THD. And with amps, I have never talked about THD differences being audible. What did I say about you not understanding the topics being discussed?
Have you read Earl's paper on THD. If so, what does it say?
But being a woo woo subjectivist grandeurs of delusion elitist, you claim you can.
Better hearing is an elitist thing? It is not being elitist to hear better lest you tell me your ability to hear speaker aberrations is no better than the guy behind the fast foot counter.
In which case, you better never apply for a job at Harman. I have formally trained my ears to hear digital artifacts as do people at Harman do to hear FR variations. That you think we are all elitist because we spent the time and energy, together with understanding the science to know what artifacts sound like, is elitist, shows how confused you are about what is involved in the evaluation of audio.
You must think ITU recommendations to train listeners before blind tests is making an army of elitists. And that we should celebrate ignorance of what to listen for in audio equipment. I wonder what your customers think of you calling anyone elitists for having better ability to hear said "sound waves."
I wonder if these trained listeners at Harman have a valid employment claim against them for turning them into elitists to be made fun of: http://seanolive.blogspot.com/2010_12_01_archive.html
Or is it the case of being jealous of that group who dare to hear, through hard work and learning the technology, specific impairments that lead to better designs? It can't possibly be that someone can learn something through those means. It must be all imagination. Heaven help your customers who buy a product from you, when you think this about skilled and professional listeners.
Your debating tactics may work on average poster AJ. But not here. Keep trying.
He's [[JJ] still nowhere to be found here. Perhaps you "hear" him here, in your imaginative little mind?
I told you I spoke to him in person recently. You know, using "sound waves" to communicate, as opposed to you learning what you know from forum posts.