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dsmith901 08-11-2011 07:42 AM

Product Physical Description:

"The Steinmusic Harmonizers are 5 x 5 x 4 inch piano black cubes that are powered by a 9 volt battery or by the supplied wall wart power supply (the battery offers better performance and makes for easier positioning). on the back, there is a power switch, a switch to power on/off the blue LED on the front of the unit and an Intensity knob."

What they do:

"The PDF Steinmusic manual for the Harmonizers describes their function as "elongating the air molecules" - i.e. "charging" the air in the listening room in a manner that facilitates the transmission of musical energy through the room. It seems to be suggesting that this charging of the air molecules means that when the speaker output enters the listening room space it does not have to overcome the inertia of uncharged/un-elongated air in the room."

Price: $1,100 up to $3,999

http://www.tweekgeek.com/_e/dept/03-027/SteinMusic.htm

Gizmologist 08-11-2011 07:47 AM

snake oil=fraud rigtht out of the chute

Physicists would be most interested in "elongated air molecules".
Add these to the wooden knobs, blue anti vibration goop, resonation sculptures etc.

mgkdragn 08-11-2011 08:02 AM

I'm amazed the website offers Luxman and others ..

natchie 08-11-2011 10:11 AM

Yah...saw a review of this in a recent Stereophile...got me wondering what's happening with the magazine...

jackbuzz 08-11-2011 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by natchie View Post

Yah...saw a review of this in a recent Stereophile...got me wondering what's happening with the magazine...

Tho i always enjoyed reading about and looking at the great equipment in their magazine, it has always promoted off the wall/snake oil type things. Remember the 2 coins on the front edge of speakers tweak? at least it didn't cost much.

Chu Gai 08-11-2011 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by natchie View Post

Yah...saw a review of this in a recent Stereophile...got me wondering what's happening with the magazine...

Without even looking, that's got to be Jason Serinus. He's the equivalent to a newspaper's astrology column.

Kal Rubinson 08-11-2011 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

Without even looking, that's got to be Jason Serinus. He's the equivalent to a newspaper's astrology column.

Guess again.

Chu Gai 08-11-2011 03:10 PM

Tellig?

Kal Rubinson 08-11-2011 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

Tellig?

I am not Tellig................er...telling.

Chu Gai 08-11-2011 03:20 PM

I've got a Serinus link, http://www.stereophile.com/axpona201...but/index.html, dated 3/9/2010. What do you have Kal?

Kal Rubinson 08-11-2011 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

I've got a Serinus link, http://www.stereophile.com/axpona201...but/index.html, dated 3/9/2010. What do you have Kal?

That's not a review but a show report. I am referring to the September issue.

Chu Gai 08-11-2011 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

That's not a review but a show report. I am referring to the September issue.

A review with measurements?

Kal Rubinson 08-11-2011 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

A review with measurements?

Aren't they unnecessary?

schan1269 08-11-2011 03:55 PM

I bet Bose is somehow behind it...

Magic stones? Seriously???

mcnarus 08-11-2011 06:35 PM

Shorter Serinus: If you can't explain how something works, then you can't say that it doesn't.

Come to think of it, that would make a great motto for Stereophile in general.

rock_bottom 08-11-2011 08:31 PM

Sometimes I picture future audiophiles in elementary school telling their teacher, "You cannot prove that my dog did not eat my homework".

A9X-308 08-12-2011 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rock_bottom View Post

Sometimes I picture future audiophiles in elementary school telling their teacher, "You cannot prove that my dog did not eat my homework".

In that case, we need to bring back corporal punishment.

Chu Gai 08-12-2011 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Aren't they unnecessary?

I wonder if it's more effective than this?


dsmith901 08-12-2011 08:17 AM

I guess what bothers me is that if you take people's money and claim an ordinary ionizer (which is what this thing appears to be) cures the heartache of psoriasis the Feds will shut you down and even put you in jail. Heck, even Bernie Maddox eventually got busted. But if you just take their money (which they may need for health insurance if not actual health care) with an equally silly claim about an audio product you are just considered a smart capitalist and wished godspeed. Of course "caveat emptor" should always be the guiding rule. But if Stereophile actually publicized these things without giving them the two thumbs down they deserve, them shame on Stereophile.

JHAz 08-12-2011 09:31 AM

electric shakti stones?

centurymantra 08-12-2011 11:21 AM

Shakti Stones and Harmonizers are postively grounded in comparision to the "Teleportation Tweak"...

http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm

drewTT 08-12-2011 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dsmith901 View Post

Product Physical Description:

"The Steinmusic Harmonizers are 5 x 5 x 4 inch piano black cubes that are powered by a 9 volt battery or by the supplied wall wart power supply (the battery offers better performance and makes for easier positioning). on the back, there is a power switch, a switch to power on/off the blue LED on the front of the unit and an Intensity knob."

What they do:

"The PDF Steinmusic manual for the Harmonizers describes their function as "elongating the air molecules" - i.e. "charging" the air in the listening room in a manner that facilitates the transmission of musical energy through the room. It seems to be suggesting that this charging of the air molecules means that when the speaker output enters the listening room space it does not have to overcome the inertia of uncharged/un-elongated air in the room."

Price: $1,100 up to $3,999

http://www.tweekgeek.com/_e/dept/03-027/SteinMusic.htm

Hahaha...what a joke. There is a sucker born every minute.

krabapple 08-12-2011 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by schan1269 View Post

I bet Bose is somehow behind it...

Magic stones? Seriously???

Bose has vastly more credible science behind its products than this idiocy...which has NONE.

krabapple 08-12-2011 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Aren't they unnecessary?

To audiophiles, yes.

So, I'm guessing either Dudley or Fremer. Oh, wait, isn't Harley on the masthead too?

aackthpt 08-12-2011 01:49 PM

Wow! That Harmonizer would look great next to my CD demagnetizer. Thanks!

Kal Rubinson 08-12-2011 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by krabapple View Post

Oh, wait, isn't Harley on the masthead too?

Not for some years now.

CharlesJ 08-12-2011 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rock_bottom View Post
Sometimes I picture future audiophiles in elementary school telling their teacher, "You cannot prove that my dog did not eat my homework".
Bring in the dog for an autopsy in a biology class would be a good response.

CharlesJ 08-12-2011 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dsmith901 View Post
.... an ordinary ionizer (which is what this thing appears to be) ....
On a 9V battery? I don't see any opening vents for air movement through it at least on on the sides and top.
Does ionized air have elongated molecules? Don't think so.

Gizmologist 08-12-2011 03:43 PM

I know that box of deeds to the bridges is here somewhere.

Oh well I can always sell the mineral rights and riverfront property of that Colorado River and Grand Canyon place. Let's see, 100 acres with each BD mod and 1,000 acres with each amp mod. They will eat that up!!!

Man I love audiophiles! If the bank wont loan me money I can always count on the audiophiles, and I don't have to pay it back!!!!!!!!

Thank you audiophiles!

Yours truly(well not reeaaaaaally)
The Upgraders

mcnarus 08-12-2011 07:28 PM

BTW, it's Tellig. From the dippy issue promo:

Quote:
In “Sam’s Space,” Sam Tellig obliterates his listening room walls with the Stein Music Harmonizers and Magic Stones. “You have nothing to lose but your mind,” says Sam.
IOW, be like Sam.


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