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hi guys

ive done some searching around, but everything seems to be a bit out of my price range or europe only or long since discontinued, so im hoping for some guidance

id like a really basic power solution for my growing hifi system, i only want to spend about 100 bucks.

my system is as follows:

marantz pm8004
marantz sa8004
paradigm studio 60
rega p6
chord rca's

thanks!

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What problem are you trying to solve? If you cannot answer that, you don't need anything more than surge protector.

If you can't explain how it works, you can't say it doesn't.—The High-End Creed

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May not even need that...
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so....the running opinion is that unless the power supplied to the components is garbage, this is not needed? (im learning)

i know the whole 2 camps of interconnects. i guess ive stumbled onto a similar issue with power....

Paradigm Studio 100 Floorstanding Loudspeakers
REL R505 Subwoofer
Marantz PM8004 Integrated
Marantz SA8004 SACD
Rega P6 Turntable
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Cambridge Audio StreamMagic 6
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Chord ChameleonPlus, CobraPlus interconnect RCA
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so....the running opinion is that unless the power supplied to the components is garbage, this is not needed? (im learning)

If an audio component reacts in an audibly adverse way due to less-than-perfect power, it is junk. If the line voltage is 20% down and some of your equipment reacts adversely, fix the power!
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i know the whole 2 camps of interconnects. i guess ive stumbled onto a similar issue with power....

Yes.

Fancy interconnects and power regenerators or filters are equally unnecessary. If there were no sighted evaluations, nobody would give a whit about them.
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all good info!

thanks for the responses and your patience.

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Aren't Tripp Lite ISOBAR4ULTRAs pretty popular? (amazon link)
Metal housing, UL listed, lifetime warranty/insurance, not very expensive.
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nice, so just a basic "medical grade" outlet type solution to protect against even mild surges, as opposed to actively conditioning power.

makes sense. and certainly cheap enough on prime

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nice, so just a basic "medical grade" outlet type solution to protect against even mild surges, as opposed to actively conditioning power.
makes sense. and certainly cheap enough on prime

Here is the situation:.

If you don't have actual problems with damaging surges and power line borne audible noise, then spending more than $4.95 for a basic 6-outlet power strip from Home Depot costs is a waste.

If you do have problems with damaging surges, you can either spend $40 on the electronic equivalent of tissue paper and probably have problems again the next time you have a bad surge, or you can do it right this time and have a professional electrician put in a whole-hose surge protector now, and avoid problems later on.
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Here a surge protector, also with rear outlets that help with cord management.
Belkin PureAV® PF30 Home Theater Power Console

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I was blowing fuses in my B&K Reference 50 S2 when there was even the slightest disturbance to my power cords on any of my components. I found that by replacing my crappy plastic Belkin power strip with a Furman PST-6 strip, my problems were alleviated. I believe I had some feedback through the ground/neutral connection of the previous unit which was causing the fuses to pop.
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I was blowing fuses in my B&K Reference 50 S2 when there was even the slightest disturbance to my power cords on any of my components. I found that by replacing my crappy plastic Belkin power strip with a Furman PST-6 strip, my problems were alleviated. I believe I had some feedback through the ground/neutral connection of the previous unit which was causing the fuses to pop.

The ground/neutral connection per code and UL labs inspection had to be electrically the same in either case.

Your power amp was and is defective. It is probable that the fuse stopped blowing because the source of the disturbance coincidentally went away in the same time frame and you changed out the plug strip.
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Here is the situation:.
If you don't have actual problems with damaging surges and power line borne audible noise, then spending more than $4.95 for a basic 6-outlet power strip from Home Depot costs is a waste.
If you do have problems with damaging surges, you can either spend $40 on the electronic equivalent of tissue paper and probably have problems again the next time you have a bad surge, or you can do it right this time and have a professional electrician put in a whole-hose surge protector now, and avoid problems later on.

Isn't everybody subject to damaging surges? Maybe some people live in an area that never gets lightning and where the power company provides pristine power 100% of the time.

I looked at a couple of surge protectors on Home Depot. I'm sure they have the same type of surge protection as the tripp-lite I linked but do they come with insurance and lifetime warranty?
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Isn't everybody subject to damaging surges?

Everybody is also subject to being struck by lightening in their front yard and winning the lottery.

It is all about quantification - the odds it will really happen to you.

The executive summary is "Not so much".
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Maybe some people live in an area that never gets lightning

Some years back the guy on the next block had his house struck by lightening that hit a tree, jumped to his house, and set it on fire. I was listening to my stereo at the time and it didn't miss a beat.
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and where the power company provides pristine power 100% of the time.

Excluded middle argument - the power doesn't have to be pristene to make good equipment happy.
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I looked at a couple of surge protectors on Home Depot. I'm sure they have the same type of surge protection as the tripp-lite I linked but do they come with insurance and lifetime warranty?

The only reason why insurance companies make money is that people are generally irrationally risk-adverse. They will spend much more money to avoid risk than the actual expected cost of the risk.

I repeat. If you are really worried about damage to your house and what's in it due to a power surge, get a whole-house protector. Don't waste your money on amulets and toys, with or without insurance policies bundled with them.
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Arny is right here. A whole house approach will provide more protection than any power conditioner or plug in device when it comes to externally generated surges such as lightning, utility switching transients or utility system reclosing operations.

Power strips, UPS units and power conditioners are simply point of use devices made for specific purposes and do not provide surge suppression capabilities like a whole house suppression unit.

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