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are older denons superior to newer denons in terms of 2 channel audio?
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An older higher-end model could definitely have better sound quality than a newer lower-end model. Very likely actually.
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are older denons superior to newer denons in terms of 2 channel audio?

You are comparing dissimilar models. 3801 and 4311 would be a fair comparison.
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so you think in terms of 2 channel audio getting a denon avr 1610 is a step down ? cause right now that what i have and unfortunately it doesnt have newer hd audio decoding and using the multichannel inputs and integrating it with the sub is tricky and tedious, denon avr 1610 has all the convenient features in terms of 5.1 hd playback hd decoding and audyssey automatic setup. i listen mostly to 2 channel music, but i also listen to bluray and dvd concerts and movies. my concern is that changing receivers will probably be a downgrade in terms of 2 channel performance, any thoughts,
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are older denons superior to newer denons in terms of 2 channel audio?
No.

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are older denons superior to newer denons in terms of 2 channel audio?
No.

And what was the base for your conclusion?
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And what was the base for your conclusion?
The overwhelming evidence that humans cannot distinguish the sound of two decently designed and properly functioning amplifiers in normal operation.

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And what was the base for your conclusion?
The overwhelming evidence that humans cannot distinguish the sound of two decently designed and properly functioning amplifiers in normal operation.

Agreed.

While my AV system is 2 channel, price/performance considerations made me look hard at the world of 5.1 -channel AVRs. I had an equipment failure. Luckily it's summer clearance time. With a little shopping I ended up obtaining locally a floor sample that turned out to be as-new in every way, included all accessories, lacked only a manual and a box, for 50% of street price.

It seems to have the usual collection of decoders for legacy and modern formats and decoders, including 32-192 KHz 16-24 bit, 2-8 channel PCM, DSD, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio; Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio.

The 5 power amps are specified ed for 2-8 ohm loads. The two front channel speaker terminals are 5-way binding posts. It has a front panel jack for a portable player. It has HDMI, CV, and old-style video inputs, with several coax and optical audio inputs. It has bass management with adjustable crossover points, and separate graphic equalizers for each speaker.

It was easy enough to set it up as a true 2-channel receiver, and it sounds great.
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Yep, like Mcnarus said, two good amp should be the same.
Unless one is better in designed/functioning then might be better.
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