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post #31 of 38 Old 12-14-2012, 04:12 AM
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I'm not as agnostic as Arnie, I do believe that there are subtle 'voicing' or 'house sound' characteristics to various makes/brands. They may not be necessarily differentiable in a DBT, but that doesnt mean that there are no meaningful differences. IMO, the audiophile needs to be well versed in the sounds of different kit, and make a choice based on that, as well as their budget. There are few 'bad' choices in audio, but many less than optimal choices.

if they are are not "differentiable" in a dbt, what possible "meaningful" difference could there be? assuming you aren't driving a decice out of of spec?

"voicing" or "house sound" would be very easily seen on a frequency response graph... VERY easily...

only "audiophiles" are "well versed" in "the sounds of different kit"... others realize that auditory memory is fleeting, and that being "well versed" in the "sounds of different kit" is merely being well versed in marketing literature and hopeful fairy tales...

yes, there are less than optimal choices... however, you aren't hitting upon why those choices may be less than optimal...

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Oh, ok, I get it. This is the 'if you can measure it, it doesnt exist' forum. Enjoy your zip cord!
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dio do you mean that because our ears can only hear certain decibels that we won't be able to notice the differences? like bass that our ears can't hear but feel?
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it is interesting dio how we all hear different sounds in a speaker that the other person might not hear. sometimes i listen to a song several times and for some reason never heard that drum or lyric before.
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Oh, ok, I get it.
No, you don't and this is why:
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I hope it was just a typo and not what you really want to say.
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dio do you mean that because our ears can only hear certain decibels that we won't be able to notice the differences? like bass that our ears can't hear but feel?
No, certain frequencies. Plus, the variation down to certain decibel, beyond which is too small of a variation even for people with very healthy hearing to discern.
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it is interesting dio how we all hear different sounds in a speaker that the other person might not hear. sometimes i listen to a song several times and for some reason never heard that drum or lyric before.
Try this video for explanation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ
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it is interesting dio how we all hear different sounds in a speaker that the other person might not hear. sometimes i listen to a song several times and for some reason never heard that drum or lyric before.

This and many other similar variations in perception of sound and music are described in This Is Your Brain On Music By Daniel Letvin. http://www.amazon.com/This-Your-Brain-Music-Obsession/dp/0452288525
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