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keyboardcat's Avatar keyboardcat 05:49 PM 01-10-2013
have you ever bought expensive speaker wire cheaper that may have been a demo from a store or from someones old stereo? did it have the same quality as new cable or lost some of that quality? interconnects etc.

kraut's Avatar kraut 06:36 PM 01-10-2013

You cannot buy used speaker cables, the electrons inside are all wonky...
arnyk's Avatar arnyk 07:46 PM 01-10-2013
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have you ever bought expensive speaker wire cheaper that may have been a demo from a store or from someones old stereo? did it have the same quality as new cable or lost some of that quality? interconnects etc.

Yes. A couple of years back my Hi Fi club was offered an opportunity to come to Manhattan and clean out two store rooms belonging to a well-known audio magazine, who were moving.

As part of the booty we found 100's of feet of speaker cable, some commodity, some high end. It appears that they used 12 gauge to hook up systems for demos and reviews, based on the left-overs.
keyboardcat's Avatar keyboardcat 07:56 PM 01-10-2013
arny a hi fi store tried to say that they could sell the high end used inter connects to me at half. kraut says that it is a bad idea because the electrons though. can you tell me more about what he means by these electrons? I don't know much about speaker cable quality.
keyboardcat's Avatar keyboardcat 07:57 PM 01-10-2013
it isn't the store where I bought the music hall turntable from but another competing store who had the used wire.
keyboardcat's Avatar keyboardcat 08:11 PM 01-10-2013
I have even seen used wire on craigslist that is supposed to be high end.
mcnarus's Avatar mcnarus 08:30 PM 01-10-2013
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kraut says that it is a bad idea because the electrons though.
Sigh. Irony is dead.
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I have even seen used wire on craigslist that is supposed to be high end.
There is no such thing as high-end wire.
keyboardcat's Avatar keyboardcat 08:43 PM 01-10-2013
oh what speaker wire do you use mcnarus? right now I am using bare rca wire
jdcrox's Avatar jdcrox 12:05 AM 01-11-2013
Monoprice 12ga . Looks great, sounds the same as lamp cord. But it was cheap, and it looks good. wink.gif
arnyk's Avatar arnyk 06:01 AM 01-11-2013
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arny a hi fi store tried to say that they could sell the high end used inter connects to me at half. kraut says that it is a bad idea because the electrons though.

Kraut was making a little joke.
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can you tell me more about what he means by these electrons?

Its a techie joke! It can't happen because every speaker wire is used speaker wire after the first time you use it!
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I don't know much about speaker cable quality.

99+ percent of all situations are brilliantly and stupendously well-handled by commodity cable. Thing is that half price high end speaker wire is usually still costing many times what it is actually worth.

Dealers love high end speaker wire even if they sell audio gear by the bucket because they often make more money on the wires then they do on the main components.
arnyk's Avatar arnyk 06:08 AM 01-11-2013
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oh what speaker wire do you use mcnarus? right now I am using bare rca wire

My speaker wires are a composite. 12 gauge jumpers from the AVR to the wall plate which has Speakon connectors. The wires at the AVR end are bare twisted and firmly clamped by the 5-way binding posts on the AVR. 12 gauge stranded house wire twisted pair inside the wall up to the general location of the speakers. Another Speakon connector connects a 12 gauge jumper from the wall to the speaker. The wires at the speaker end are bare twisted and firmly clamped by the 5-way binding posts on the speakers. I'm of the opinion that if you can push the bare wire through the hole at the bottom of the binding post and clamp it tightly, that is about as good as it gets.

There are enough wires and connectors installed to support 4 speakers at that end of the room. Obviously, there will never be more than 3 but the wall plates and connectors came in pairs.

Wire is cheap but installing it is expensive and nasty. So tank up when you are punching holes in the wall and pulling cables!
SAM64's Avatar SAM64 08:18 AM 01-11-2013
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Sigh. Irony is dead.

It died with science in education.
keyboardcat's Avatar keyboardcat 04:53 PM 01-11-2013
what do you think about mit speaker wire vs audioquest?
kraut's Avatar kraut 06:11 PM 01-11-2013
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what do you think about mit speaker wire vs audioquest?

Oh, now you are baiting...
K Shep's Avatar K Shep 06:15 PM 01-11-2013
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what do you think about mit speaker wire vs audioquest?

I think you're naive.

You've posted 1116 times and now you're compelled to ask a versus question about speaker wire?

Come on man!
keyboardcat's Avatar keyboardcat 06:21 PM 01-11-2013
kshep I just wondered if you thought that for the money is it better then the 40 dollar audioquest kind. you all have been into hi fi stereo stuff for years. I am trying to find out more about it. Are you saying that you can't tell a difference between cheap wire from kmart and the more expensive kind?
keyboardcat's Avatar keyboardcat 06:23 PM 01-11-2013
kshep stores tell me that I need better cable, but people on here say that I don't. I get confused okay. I don't know enough about the more expensive brands to justify if it is worth the cost. That is why I wondered if some of you all think that expensive cable is really worth it.
K Shep's Avatar K Shep 06:35 PM 01-11-2013
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kshep I just wondered if you thought that for the money is it better then the 40 dollar audioquest kind. you all have been into hi fi stereo stuff for years. I am trying to find out more about it. Are you saying that you can't tell a difference between cheap wire from kmart and the more expensive kind?

First of all, I apologize for the name calling.
K Shep's Avatar K Shep 06:41 PM 01-11-2013
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Are you saying that you can't tell a difference between cheap wire from kmart and the more expensive kind?

I compared MIT Shotgun speaker cable to 12 gauge a few years ago. When level matched they "sounded" identical to my ear.
keyboardcat's Avatar keyboardcat 06:58 PM 01-11-2013
I don't have a lot of friends in person who can help me with this stuff. a lot of them buy from the big box stores or just listen to music on mp3 players or cell phones anymore. I do ask a lot of questions and get on peoples nerves on the site. sorry for upsetting you kshep. I didn't mean to.
keyboardcat's Avatar keyboardcat 06:59 PM 01-11-2013
sorry to anyone else I have offended with my post recently or in the past also.
kraut's Avatar kraut 09:45 PM 01-11-2013
Why apologize?
But I have to wonder - with over 1100 posts you must have read a lot on this site especially regarding cables.
Now, if that is correct - did you not get the impression that the evidence for cables having any influence on the sound of audio reproduction is sorely lacking? That the evidence points all in the direction of inaudibility of minor measurable differences in cable? That so called "boutique" cables have one purpose only: to bolster the bank account of the manufacturer without providing anything but maybe aesthetics and bragging rights to the owner of such stuff?
arnyk's Avatar arnyk 08:42 AM 01-12-2013
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Why apologize?
But I have to wonder - with over 1100 posts you must have read a lot on this site especially regarding cables.
Now, if that is correct - did you not get the impression that the evidence for cables having any influence on the sound of audio reproduction is sorely lacking? That the evidence points all in the direction of inaudibility of minor measurable differences in cable? That so called "boutique" cables have one purpose only: to bolster the bank account of the manufacturer without providing anything but maybe aesthetics and bragging rights to the owner of such stuff?

I have similar questions in my mind.
xianthax's Avatar xianthax 07:32 PM 01-15-2013
If it makes you feel better; Unless the wire was subjected to consistant DC offsets, the electrons are probably the same ones that were there when the wire was made. AC power isn't transmitted by moving electrons, well, not electrons moving down the wire anyway.
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