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is it just me or do some of you also miss the hifi of the eighties? All those buttons, switches, and dials smile.gif Ability to switch L+R channels, play just one channel, mono…. Remember loudness compensation and bass/ treble controls? Do you miss the look of the wood (faux or not) cases and signal strength meters etc… Alas, so much of the gear nowadays is so damn drab looking.

Do you think young people might show more interest in audio gear if there was a move back toward lots of features, and placing those features on the faceplate of the component? Most hifi Gear companies have convinced us that minimalism is best because all these features are bad for the sound, but I wonder if it's just a way to justify lazy engineering?

I never owned a receiver like this, but I would love to have one now!
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Nope, don't miss the 'loudness button' or the 'Dolby noise reduction button' at all.
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Nope, don't miss the 'loudness button' or the 'Dolby noise reduction button' at all.

I rarely owned a receiver back in those days. I had either separates (Dynaco tube kits) or integrated amps. I do remember that equipment fondly but things have truly evolved to a state of advancement undreamed of back then.
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Those mid-late 70s Marantz receivers were works of art.
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I love that old gear. Overbuilt and beautiful.
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I spend an hour or so each evening spinning some classical vinyl on an old Phillips turntable with a B&O 10E cart - and amplified by a Kenwood KA-4006 integrated amp with 40wpc. The speakers are the oldest piece of gear - Harman Kardon HK20's made in 1967. The entire setup cost me about $150. The sound? Amazingly good! The vinyl? Mostly classical as I mentioned - but often overlooked vinyl. Reader's Digest sold hundreds of thousands of mulit-packs of records to people who it seems seldom played those records. I'm picking up 40-50 year old recordings that are in mint or mint - condition. Classical - big band - some jazz - and more. It isn't just the old gear that should be looked for. These old LPs can be found for $2-10 for 6-12 LP's and are some of the best made. Not many LP's these days can compare to these old records for quality. They were pressed mostly by RCA and Columbia.

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Though I love the look of a lot of the old gear, nowadays I prefer it heard, but not seen. All my gear is in a cupboard.

However, I have ne need to miss the aesthetics of the old Marantz receivers: I have one (2285B) in the bedroom which I've owned since new. As it started making some odd noises recently, it's out of service and will get a full rebuild later in the year.
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Vintage audio brings back memories. Here's some of my stuff.

And the loudness button never killed any puppies. smile.gif










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Wow.... very cool looking stuff. ..Just what I was referring to. ..So much more interesting looking and so much more flexibility. ..Weird that progress supposedly means fewer of these customizing controls. Thanks for sharing. smile.gif
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Weird that progress supposedly means fewer of these customizing controls. Thanks for sharing.

Not at all. Before I went all PC route (with foobar player and VST pugins to display anything from bitrate to spectrum display to various crossovers and eq's, lyrics, biography etc. etc.)
I used a behringer chain (src - deq 2466 - dcx 2466) to drive my bi-amped speakers, with more controls than any of those old machines ever had short of studio mixing setup. I digitized any incoming signal then processed it.

I used to trade after I went all digital in used audio equipment, and got some very great stuff (Revox tape machines, Tascam 2 and 4 track tape machines, beautiful stuff in working condition) but despite some fleeting temptation never kept it. Working in the digital domain is quality wise so much better, and that was even before I used hard drive for storage of music.
I still run my speakesr at present with a Quad 303/405 combination, and like the simplicity and the distinct look of that stuff.
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Don't really miss it. I'm 34 so grew up with cassettes and the 8 track in my dads mercury monarch. The sound quality is definitely better since CDs, but it's mostly the convenience I like most. Remember what a pain in the ass it was trying to time everything just right to make a mixed tape or just record a song off the radio? Always missed the first few seconds or started too early and recorded the dj along with it. I really hated searching for a song on tapes. FF, stop, play...nope. FF, stop, play...almost there. FF, stop, play...$hit, too far. REW, stop, play...whatever, close enough. I was so impressed with my buddy's honda accord b/c it's stereo would FF to the next song and stop automatically! Japanese magic. Don't miss tapes at all.
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Don't really miss it. I'm 34 so grew up with cassettes and the 8 track in my dads mercury monarch. The sound quality is definitely better since CDs, but it's mostly the convenience I like most. Remember what a pain in the ass it was trying to time everything just right to make a mixed tape or just record a song off the radio? Always missed the first few seconds or started too early and recorded the dj along with it. I really hated searching for a song on tapes. FF, stop, play...nope. FF, stop, play...almost there. FF, stop, play...$hit, too far. REW, stop, play...whatever, close enough. I was so impressed with my buddy's honda accord b/c it's stereo would FF to the next song and stop automatically! Japanese magic. Don't miss tapes at all.

Ha! You aren't old enough. smile.gif Add another 20 years.

I remember trying to record music onto 8 track tape cartridges using my Pioneer 8 track recorder WITH DOLBY. smile.gif Seems like I was always "missing" the track switchover, and ended up with it switching during a song. biggrin.gif

Tinkering was half the fun, and back then it was cutting edge. A lot of it does nothing for me these days, but I still love old monster receivers, turntables, speakers, and reel to reels.

And back then we knew nothing about compression, or "brickwalling". It was all pure analog goodness.

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I remember trying to record music onto 8 track tape cartridges using my Pioneer 8 track recorder WITH DOLBY. smile.gif Seems like I was always "missing" the track switchover, and ended up with it switching during a song. biggrin.gif

That happened a lot with commercial releases as well. I too had an 8 track recorder (and was very popular - few did back in those days.) I don't miss matchbooks under them to make them track or pulling slack out of the casings. I do , however, get misty eyed when thinking about my Craig Power Play smile.gif

Remember seeing miles of tape and cartridges on the side of the roads from DOA tapes?

I had a 'silver' Pioneer receiver in the early 70s (and lusted after the quads) then an class A-B Yamaha - both lots of knobs and switches, then later followed by a Mc that I still own.

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Conservatively rated at 300 wpc. It’s 25” wide, 21.6” deep and weighs in at 101 pounds.
And a thing of awesome beauty: The Sansui G 33000


No, it’s not mine, but I did have a beautiful Sansui G 7500. (And a 9090db as well.)


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Conservatively rated at 300 wpc. It’s 25” wide, 21.6” deep and weighs in at 101 pounds.
And a thing of awesome beauty: The Sansui G 33000


No, it’s not mine, but I did have a beautiful Sansui G 7500. (And a 9090db as well.)


Do I miss 70's and 80's hifi? – Two words: Remote control!

Nah...ya had to get up to flip the record anyway. lol

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...ya had to get up to flip the record anyway...

Yeah, that too!

Seriously, that is some beautiful stuff you’ve got there. That is a 9090db in the first pic isn’t it? – Mine’s boxed up in a closet right now. Works and looks perfect! I still have the old G7500 too, but it went into “protection mode” a while back and didn’t respond to the easy fixes.

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Thats a fully restored 9090DB that I bought a couple years ago. Its just like new. I had one in the 70's as well, but that one is long gone. I also have a restored 8080DB that is on loan to my son.

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Fully restored marantz 2265B.
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I prefer minimalism in my home, but I do think some of that stuff looks really cool.

You might enjoy this site: http://audioklassiks.de/wordpress/

I must admit that I have been thinking about purchasing an SPL Phonitor recently, in large part due to how it looks.
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Yes, I miss the ability to directly control parameters.
Today;s AVRs may look minimalist at the front panel, but the are far from that. There are far more parameters that can be adjusted but doing so requires many button pushes with remote.
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I really hope you all like this Pic!? Not only Old old school but really really high quality matched up with the overpriced downloads

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A great many terrific replies and (even better) pictures. ..Bringin' a tear to my eye to see all this old stuff. ..Time to cue up the Boz Scaggs, Boston, and Fleetwood Mac Rumours.

I wonder if there might be an opportunity for a gear company to come out with a modern day receiver, replete with balance, bass/ treble, loudness comp, mode (L+R, R+L, Mono), etc... ALL mounted on the faceplate, all at the ready to be quickly and easily accessed. I understand that most AVR's allow you to do much of this, but using a single Push and Scroll knob to do all of this basically discourages adjusting any of this. The mfgs would have us believe this is progress, but I would argue that it's simply cost savings that's behind this.

The notion that bass/ treble/ balance/ loudness, etc.. somehow damage the signal EVEN when they're set to neutral or zero is total bunk. If having a few switches, etc.. in the signal path erodes the signal, then how is that mixing boards have sometimes HUNDREDS of sliders, switches, etc... ..If each one of these devices damages the signal, then the cumulative effect of having hundreds would certainly lead to the music becoming unrecognizable mush.
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The average consumer doesn't want more knobs. It puts a strain on the brain, and damages the membrane.

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The average consumer doesn't want more knobs. It puts a strain on the brain, and damages the membrane.

I think you're right that the average consumer wouldn't be interested, but then again, the average consumer isn't interested in separate amp/ pre-amp, an integrated amplifier, turntable or even floor-standing speakers. ..There's plenty already out there for the average consumer including iPods, Sound-docks, AVR receivers, and micro speakers, etc.. ..Which is not denigrate them in any way, to each his/her own..

..What I'm talking about is is there enough around the margins who would be interested? People like us who remember fondly those components and miss having the adjustability BUT want today's superior linearity, lack of hum/hiss issues, etc.. Or maybe the growing number of young people interested in turntables. ..Might they be interested?? ..You know what I find kinda funny? ..That turntables are growing in popularity among the kids at my son's high school, but these kids don't realize that floor-standing speakers, and a receiver are just as much a part of the old-school experience. ...It's almost sad when these kids show up at radio shack asking how they can hook up a turntable they bought to a home theater-in-a-box or to their Logitech iPod speaker-dock.
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Think about this concept.

USB Turntable.

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I love the knobs buttons & everything Vintage. Yes a little treble & or bass is not going to erode anything in the Music!
So many different CD's & albums recorded at the whim of a producer or engineer.
What really Interests me now ; is the ability to use a little microphone in your home to help you set up your stuff.
Audessey & YPAO, & maybe more. It works & it's very good!
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I love the knobs buttons & everything Vintage. Yes a little treble & or bass is not going to erode anything in the Music!
So many different CD's & albums recorded at the whim of a producer or engineer.
What really Interests me now ; is the ability to use a little microphone in your home to help you set up your stuff.
Audessey & YPAO, & maybe more. It works & it's very good!
Welcome to the future!
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I love the knobs buttons & everything Vintage. Yes a little treble & or bass is not going to erode anything in the Music!
So many different CD's & albums recorded at the whim of a producer or engineer.
What really Interests me now ; is the ability to use a little microphone in your home to help you set up your stuff.
Audessey & YPAO, & maybe more. It works & it's very good!

I will go ahead and commit blasphemy and state that I like boosting treble and bass just a bit. Flat ain't ALWAYS where it's at.

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I love the knobs buttons & everything Vintage. Yes a little treble & or bass is not going to erode anything in the Music!
So many different CD's & albums recorded at the whim of a producer or engineer.
What really Interests me now ; is the ability to use a little microphone in your home to help you set up your stuff.
Audessey & YPAO, & maybe more. It works & it's very good!

I will go ahead and commit blasphemy and state that I like boosting treble and bass just a bit. Flat ain't ALWAYS where it's at.

These days we do that with a computer-powered gizmo called "Audyssey". ;-)
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These days we do that with a computer-powered gizmo called "Audyssey". ;-)

You're right Arnyk, and I'm not saying we ignore progress. ..But don't you think there might be some value in trying to do an updated version of the Marantz receiver pictured in my OP? ..One that includes something like Audyssey? ..I'm judging from your posts that you go back aways. ..You can't tell me that you don't have a soft spot in your heart for that old gear. ..And knowing you to be a subjectivist, I'll bet you agree that the claims high-end gear companies make about balance/treble/bass/mode, etc.. damaging the signal EVEN when neutral or zero'd to be bunk. ..And can't audyssey exist alongside tone controls?
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