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Considering Marantz PM6004 or Rotel RA-1250...

To hook to my computer, I would LIKE to have a D/A convertor, but I can always buy a DAC down the road if I want to integrate my computer into this setup.

Ultimtately it will be a pair of B&W 685s and a Pro-Ject TT (probably Carbon, still undecided, though)...

I know the Marantz goes for $600, though I can't find any information on pricing for the RA-1250.

Thoughts?

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Don't discount the idea of the HK 3490. It has the phone preamp and the built in DAC. Plus it has 120w RMS into 8 ohms. I have one powering my B&W 602's. It sounds awesome. I picked it up new off of Craigslist for $265.
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Considering Marantz PM6004 or Rotel RA-1250...

To hook to my computer, I would LIKE to have a D/A convertor, but I can always buy a DAC down the road if I want to integrate my computer into this setup.

Ultimtately it will be a pair of B&W 685s and a Pro-Ject TT (probably Carbon, still undecided, though)...

I know the Marantz goes for $600, though I can't find any information on pricing for the RA-1250.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
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Did you mean the 1520? It's $1k. The RA-12 is $800 and has what you are after...

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Did you mean the 1520? It's $1k. The RA-12 is $800 and has what you are after...

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Yes I meant the 1520.

Since the RA-12 is less, but I'm getting a DAC, I would make the assumption that the 1520 will have better SQ; however, this assumption could be completely incorrect...?
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Just stay away from rotels ice amps, they suck. Their a/b sound great, though...

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Don't discount the idea of the HK 3490. It has the phone preamp and the built in DAC. Plus it has 120w RMS into 8 ohms. I have one powering my B&W 602's. It sounds awesome. I picked it up new off of Craigslist for $265.

I'd second the 3490. Lots of power, 4 ohm stable, great design, phono stage, plus digital optical and coax inputs/DAC, and price comes in below the other options.

I originally won a 3490 on eBay for ~$250 and the seller canceled the sale on me saying there was something wrong with it. Not that I necessarily believed him, but I ended up getting the lesser HK3390 refurbed from H/K instead ($199) and I'm very, very happy with it. It's got less power than the 3490 but more than enough to power my Monitor Audio RX1 (very comparable to your 685 save for being 6 ohm). I don't have a turntable to test the phono in, but the headphone stage is pretty impressive on it. I also picked up a FiiO D3 DAC on amazon for ~$13 to take care of the digital stuff. it also stays really cool, unlike my Marantz AVR in my H/T setup.

I'm not familiar with the Rotel but the PM6004 is a very nice amp, has a long warranty, and the couple 6004s I've seen are made in Japan and are built really well. Obviously you're going to need to shell out for a separate DAC for it.

I'd take a look into the H/K 3490 though, they're really great amps. Keep in mind that your speakers are only ~$650 and won't/don't require that you spend as much or more than that on amplification.

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Just stay away from rotels ice amps, they suck. Their a/b sound great, though...

Is the 1520 ICE or AB? Couldn't find specs on the website.
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The review by "What Hi-Fi" says that the sound quality is very good on the 1520.

This is a source for some reviews that are very critical if the sound quality of a unit is not up to par.

You can depend on what they say, in my experience.

They also like the 685 a lot, by the way.

The HK 3490 is very good for its price; pretty much unbeatable.

If you can a afford the Rotel 1520, however, it is certainly going to be a better-sounding unit. It is not an ICE model. It uses conventional Class AB circuits.

The Rotel website has a dealer locator function by ZIP code or state.

The ICE amplifier module is a product of Bang and Olufsen, which is supplied in modular form to other manufacturers, including Bel Canto, Jeff Rowland, and Rotel, and is a Class D amplifier that is rated to put out 1000 watts. The sound quality has been called into question by most reviewers.
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Down to:

PM6007
PM8007
RA-1520

(Considered Peachtree Nova; however, I like building separates together.)

Future:

DAC for Computer-As-Source (MOG, local ripped FLAC files), likely a Peachtree or Arcam.

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And, a Sonos Connect.

Already have a M4300-PM for conditioning.
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It seems like you will be spending an inordinate amount of your budget on electronics. Don't get me wrong, the 685s are decent speakers but perhaps you should think about spending more on some better speakers rather than the electronics.

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It seems like you will be spending an inordinate amount of your budget on electronics. Don't get me wrong, the 685s are decent speakers but perhaps you should think about spending more on some better speakers rather than the electronics.

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CM1s instead? If I haven't already mentioned, this is for Nearfield, and 685s are probably too large for the space I have anyways...
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Down to:

PM6007
PM8007
RA-1520

(Considered Peachtree Nova; however, I like building separates together.)

I believe you are referring to the Marantz PM 8004 in the above list? If so, I would take a serious look at this amplifier. It is built like a tank in their reference factory in Japan and not afraid to post its full specs - 70 wpc into 8, 25+amps peak current, >100 damping factor, etc. I extensively listened to it driving a 10K pair of Sonus Faber Cremona M's and was extremely impressed by what I was hearing. Effortlessly too.

I know this amp exceeds the cost of your 685's but you may not have the 685's forever. If you decide to upgrade, even up to a B&W 805, I dare say say this modest amp will stand ready to serve you. It is that well built.

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CM1s instead? If I haven't already mentioned, this is for Nearfield, and 685s are probably too large for the space I have anyways...

The 685s are definitely quite large for near-field listening. Are you set on B&W? I can think of some better near-field options from Ascend Acoustics and KEF (LS50, $1500 though). Some powered monitors might also make sense.

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I was highly impressed with the CM1s; however, on bass heavy music, they struggled. Thus, I am considering the CM5. The 685 is highly cost effective....but the sound is no where near, to my ear, as refined.

Yes, definitely locked in on B&W.
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If you're set on B&W, try and give the PM1s a listen

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I was highly impressed with the CM1s; however, on bass heavy music, they struggled. Thus, I am considering the CM5. The 685 is highly cost effective....but the sound is no where near, to my ear, as refined.

Yes, definitely locked in on B&W.

The CM5s are much better than the CM1s. They have a much better (and bigger) soundstage. Of course, I could be slightly biased since I own a pair. Again, they are quite large like the 685s and really sound their best when 5-6' apart. They are also rear-ported so will need several inches behind so as not to over accentuate the lower frequencies.

+1 on the PM1 suggestion as well.

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Upon listening, I enjoyed the CM1s, but it would appear their smaller driver definitely showed some limitations in bass response as well as soundstage.

The CM5s are now on the top of my priority list, although I would consider the PM1s; gorgeous speakers, although I don't have anywhere local to audition.

Based on the similar driver size on the PM1/CM1...I'd be curious to hear the difference.

How much do the PM1s retail for?

Also, speakers will be placed ~ 6-7ft apart, though the left speaker will be a bit further out due to room layout. I will be sitting ~3' back.
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I believe the PM1s retail for $2800. Your proposed speaker distance sounds good IMO. I would be hesitant to choose speakers that I couldn't first audition (either in-home or dealer).

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If I were going to consider the PM1s, I'd darn near consider the 805D..
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That's understandable. The diamond series are the top of the line. The PM1s, I gather, are meant to bridge the gap between the CM series and the diamond series. I would listen to the CM5s if you get the chance.

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I actually gave the CM5 a listen. I was quite impressed.
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This is a little off topic but I have a pair of B&W 685s and currently using a Sony STR-DA80ES receiver from 1997 and the speakers sound awesome! The receiver is cheap enough on eBay to warrant a try. wink.gif

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This is a little off topic but I have a pair of B&W 685s and currently using a Sony STR-DA80ES receiver from 1997 and the speakers sound awesome! The receiver is cheap enough on eBay to warrant a try. wink.gif

Nice! Liking your 685s?
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Considering Peachtree decco65 with a phono preamp or the Marantz PM8004. Would like to have the McIntosh MA5200, but it won't fit within my size constraints. Thoughts?
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Considering Peachtree decco65 with a phono preamp or the Marantz PM8004. Would like to have the McIntosh MA5200, but it won't fit within my size constraints. Thoughts?


I think that you would be absolutely crazy to spend all that money on the equipment components rather than upgrading to a better speaker.
I have listened to the B&W 685 many times, and also the 805D and briefly the PM1. I personally think that you could go with something like
an Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 or other ID offerings, and seriously blow away the 685 for similar money, but, if you are dead set on going with
the B&W's then go with the PM1 or 805D and use a cheaper amp. You have to remember that....

the 685 with a Marantz PM8004 will not sound as good as a
PM1 or 805D with an HK 3490. Just saying...
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I think that you would be absolutely crazy to spend all that money on the equipment components rather than upgrading to a better speaker.
I have listened to the B&W 685 many times, and also the 805D and briefly the PM1. I personally think that you could go with something like
an Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 or other ID offerings, and seriously blow away the 685 for similar money, but, if you are dead set on going with
the B&W's then go with the PM1 or 805D and use a cheaper amp. You have to remember that....

the 685 with a Marantz PM8004 will not sound as good as a
PM1 or 805D with an HK 3490. Just saying...

I think I'm set on the Marantz with PM1 or 805D
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The Marantz PM8004 driving either the 805D or PM1's will be a fantastic combination. You have made a good choice and may you have years of happy listening with your great new system.

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The Marantz PM8004 driving either the 805D or PM1's will be a fantastic combination. You have made a good choice and may you have years of happy listening with your great new system.

Is it possible to Bi-Amp with the PM8004 using A/B?
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Is it possible to Bi-Amp with the PM8004 using A/B?
WHy would you want to? It brings no benefit.
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