Originally Posted by saabracer23
Extremes, what extremes?
Who cares if they weren't level matched by a computer. They sounded to play at the same level to my ears and to my db meter. There was clearly a winner in this battle, sighted or blind, it would have been obvious to anyone. It's funny because most of the the members in the diy area say 1-2 decibels isn't even noticeable to the human ear.
Extremes is you claiming that one must have been faulty, it couldn't have been that they just sound different. Another funny thing, both units had just been serviced at Inner Audio in Portland Oregon earlier in the week so I'm sure they were just fine.
As for the fisher and bryston, the claim is that all solid states sound the same whithin their limits. So if both will do a true 50w rms before clipping then why would one need to be looked at first. Even brand new off the shelf there wouldn't be a chance of the fisher outperforming the bryston, even at just a few watts, not to mention with dynamic material.
All the arguing aside we all have one thing in common, the love of audio and music. It's obvious we are all passionate about the subject, which I appreciate.
So I'm trying to just get some advice on what to purchase, tell me what you use.
I ask if you decide to post in this thread, wether to bash my thoughts or to agree with them, let me know what you are using and what you think you'd choose out of my short list.
1-2 dB is *very* audible in controlled-listening scenarios. In casual listening, yeah, not as much, but still audible.
So if they sound different, what measured parameter do you think would account for it? Serious question. What were the model numbers for the Onkyo and NAD? Maybe we can find some measurements for them. As for them just being serviced, well, that doesn't give me the good feelings of confidence that it gives you. In fact, quite the opposite - if they were serviced, was that because they needed
to be serviced? If so, why? Something faulty? Or was it a regular check up? Either way, how do we know the technician - yes, technician, not engineer - serviced them correctly. They each likely have pots that need to be adjusted in the amp stages. How do we know the tech adjusted each correctly? I'd be much more confident in new, out of the box units than in units that have just been 'serviced.' Not to bash technicians, some of whom are excellent, but I've seen techs screw up simple adjustments many times.
As for the Fisher and Bryston, the claim is that, yeah, but also the caveat that they're in proper working order.
You know, a 30 year old receiver with electrolytic caps might just have some issues there. Not to mention that the claim is for modern
solid-state amps. A 1980s Fisher doesn't qualify there either.
Brand new off the shelf, an equivalent to the Fisher vs. the Bryston, at just a few watts? You might not want to be so sure that the Bryston would win. Ever done a controlled blinded listening test like that? I have. And I found no difference between a $200 Denon AVR and a multi-thousand $$ Parasound, at moderate listening levels. Many others have done similar tests with similar results. It's a common myth that something like a Bryston outperforms something cheap at just a few watts. Not true.