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I am a member of the headfi community for a few years now and am now looking forward to damaging my wallet here now at avs. To start off I have listened to the flagship deftech, klipsh rf42, a pair of mid tier Polk's and Martin Logan motion 40s. Out of these I liked the Logan's the best for the airy highs they produced and Polk came in a very close second. The klipsh for me had harsh unpleasant highs and the def tech just seemed dirty for lack of better words. For my musical preferences my favorite part of the spectrum are the mids, specifically vocally oriented and I guess I lean towards a brighter signature. Ideally I would want something that is fast, tight, detailed, airy, and smooth. I listen to nora jones, paramore, pink Floyd, psychodellic, Metallica, and godsmack for some examples. I am looking at the marantz 7007 receiver at $1,800. Which gives me around $8,000 left for speakers. And yes I do plan on sound proofing and such later on just wanting to get a start.
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8k is a great budget to work with. One benefit to having a nice budget like that is often you can find mint lightly used speakers that when new were way out of that budget. Just something to think about there.

From what you are looking for in a speaker, I'd say a Magnepan would be up your alley.

I frequently see used Magnepan stuff on eBay and Audiogon. With 8k budget, you have a lot to work with new too.

3.7 are well within your price range new. You may be able to find some 20.1 or 20.7 used for that too.
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8k is a great budget to work with. One benefit to having a nice budget like that is often you can find mint lightly used speakers that when new were way out of that budget. Just something to think about there.

From what you are looking for in a speaker, I'd say a Magnepan would be up your alley.

I frequently see used Magnepan stuff on eBay and Audiogon. With 8k budget, you have a lot to work with new too.

3.7 are well within your price range new. You may be able to find some 20.1 or 20.7 used for that too.

Thanks for the magnepan suggestion. I will have to look into them. I also just found dynaudio and am currently researching their evidence line. If I were to get 8k speakers if the reciever had the power would a 2k reciever do them justice?
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Thanks for the magnepan suggestion. I will have to look into them. I also just found dynaudio and am currently researching their evidence line. If I were to get 8k speakers if the reciever had the power would a 2k reciever do them justice?
Edit. Those are a lot more than I thought... Looks like dynaudio is out for now.
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fwiw a mint pair of kef 203/2's for sale on audiogon for $6100 or a pair of dynaudio c2's $6800 or a pair of focal electra 1038 be's $7500

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The new Aerial 6T just came out. Heard it in November at Michael Kellys debut of the speaker in Nashua NH. Worth an audition. Price about $6200 new.smile.gif
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Look at Wharfedale Jade 7
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Wow thanks for the quick replies everyone. Looking forward to diving into all these smile.gif
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Wow thanks for the quick replies everyone. Looking forward to diving into all these smile.gif

Also PSB Synchrony 1
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Salk sound scape 8. Sorry just posting a potential toy before I forget the name
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I don't think you can find any speaker for under $10K that can match the Vandersteen Treo speakers. I tried and could not.

I have them and I love them. $6500 is the price. You might wish to read the review John Atkinson did on them in Stereophile recently. It's available on their website.

IMO the Cambridge Audio 751R receiver is the only receiver on the market that has the sound quality to do justice to any speakers that cost over $4000. It costs $2699.

You really don't want that mediocre Marantz receiver if you are going to buy top-quality speakers. NAD and Cambridge Audio make far better-sounding receivers.
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I have Salk speakers. Jim builds wonderful speakers. I have the SCST. Those who have the soundscape 8 rave about their performance.
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I don't think you can find any speaker for under $10K that can match the Vandersteen Treo speakers. I tried and could not.

I have them and I love them. $6500 is the price. You might wish to read the review John Atkinson did on them in Stereophile recently. It's available on their website.

IMO the Cambridge Audio 751R receiver is the only receiver on the market that has the sound quality to do justice to any speakers that cost over $4000. It costs $2699.

You really don't want that mediocre Marantz receiver if you are going to buy top-quality speakers. NAD and Cambridge Audio make far better-sounding receivers.

Thank you for the suggestions on the receivers.
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You want to go on http://app.audiogon.com/ and buy some used speakers. You're going to get speakers that are a 1/3 the cost. So you will be much higher up the sound quality.

I know you'd love the Thiel 3.7's. You'd be blown away by what those can do. Those are pretty new though and harder to come by for to much cheaper http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-thiel-3-7-brand-new-factory-sealed-in-box-morado-finish-2013-12-18-speakers-92591-temecula-ca. The 2.4's and 2.7's are totally awesome. But you could also look at some B&W's on there or a hundred others in that price range when we are talking used. I wish you wouldn't get a receiver though but I'm guessing you want to also have surround when not playing music.
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I thought you had to have one? A reciever that is. I plan just to run a 2.1 system.
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You want to go on http://app.audiogon.com/ and buy some used speakers. You're going to get speakers that are a 1/3 the cost. So you will be much higher up the sound quality.

I know you'd love the Thiel 3.7's. You'd be blown away by what those can do. Those are pretty new though and harder to come by for to much cheaper http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-thiel-3-7-brand-new-factory-sealed-in-box-morado-finish-2013-12-18-speakers-92591-temecula-ca. The 2.4's and 2.7's are totally awesome. But you could also look at some B&W's on there or a hundred others in that price range when we are talking used. I wish you wouldn't get a receiver though but I'm guessing you want to also have surround when not playing music.

Those Thiels are very nice, but he will need another $4-5000 for Krell/Classe/Bryston power amplifier for them. No way ANY receiver can drive 2 ohms load they present to it.
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I am a member of the headfi community for a few years now and am now looking forward to damaging my wallet here now at avs. To start off I have listened to the flagship deftech, klipsh rf42, a pair of mid tier Polk's and Martin Logan motion 40s. Out of these I liked the Logan's the best for the airy highs they produced and Polk came in a very close second. The klipsh for me had harsh unpleasant highs and the def tech just seemed dirty for lack of better words. For my musical preferences my favorite part of the spectrum are the mids, specifically vocally oriented and I guess I lean towards a brighter signature. Ideally I would want something that is fast, tight, detailed, airy, and smooth. I listen to nora jones, paramore, pink Floyd, psychodellic, Metallica, and godsmack for some examples. I am looking at the marantz 7007 receiver at $1,800. Which gives me around $8,000 left for speakers. And yes I do plan on sound proofing and such later on just wanting to get a start.

Can you clarify?

You are looking for a two channel system for under 10 grand or just speakers under 10 grand?

If you need an entire 2 channel system, what sources do you need?

What you got back home, little sister, to play your fuzzy warbles on? I bet you got little save pitiful, portable picnic players. Come with uncle and hear all proper! Hear angel trumpets and devil trombones. You are invited.
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Can you clarify?

You are looking for a two channel system for under 10 grand or just speakers under 10 grand?

If you need an entire 2 channel system, what sources do you need?

I just read you will run a 2.1? Is the sub to be part of the budget as well?

What you got back home, little sister, to play your fuzzy warbles on? I bet you got little save pitiful, portable picnic players. Come with uncle and hear all proper! Hear angel trumpets and devil trombones. You are invited.
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10k for the whole system. and yes that does include the sub eljr. I would also need a receiver or what have you, xerosleep suggested not getting one and i do not know the proper term for a device that will power a 2.1 system outside of a receiver, but i am open and eager for new possibilities. As for sources i just need a device to send power to the speakers. I am now leaning towards a Martin Logan Motion 40 pair with the SVS PB13 Ultra and a receiver. Through the demos i have heard i really like ribbon tweeters and if there is a more musical sub that still has the extension i would look into those as well. I would spend 2500 at most on a sub in this price range. 

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fwiw, just a suggestion on a 2 channel receiver the Harman kardon hk 990

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If you like the transparency of the MartinLogan Motion 40s, you will love the MartinLogan Electromotion ESLs. A pair of these will cost you around $2200. Unlike some other ESLs they can be driven satisfactorily with a 100 wpc good quality receiver.
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10k for the whole system. and yes that does include the sub eljr. I would also need a receiver or what have you, xerosleep suggested not getting one and i do not know the proper term for a device that will power a 2.1 system outside of a receiver, but i am open and eager for new possibilities. As for sources i just need a device to send power to the speakers. I am now leaning towards a Martin Logan Motion 40 pair with the SVS PB13 Ultra and a receiver. Through the demos i have heard i really like ribbon tweeters and if there is a more musical sub that still has the extension i would look into those as well. I would spend 2500 at most on a sub in this price range. 

You need a pre-amp and power amp or amps not a receiver.

At your price point I like Nad for power.

I like that you want ribbons, I am listening to a pair now.

Ordinarily I suggest PSB at this price but maybe a Dali instead?

Maybe electrostatic speakers?

I'll post back later today or tomorrow with a full system recommendation.

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I am now leaning towards a Martin Logan Motion 40 pair 

No way!!

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and what kind of music do you listen to?

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fwiw imo if $8000 is budget for speakers there are better sounding speakers than the ml motion 40's out there. spending more on the electronics than the speakers

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Preamp, $1,095

http://www.audioadvisor.com/Parasound-Halo-P5-Stereo-Preamplifier/productinfo/PAHAP5/#.UsrnxfRDu-M

Power amp $2,299

http://www.audioadvisor.com/Parasound-Halo-A21-Two-Channel-Amplifier/productinfo/PAHA21/SIL/#.Usrd1vRDu-M

Speakers $5,000

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-83552-focal-profile-918-diamond-black-pr.aspx

Subs, 1,298

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/dual-subwoofers/Dual-SB12-NSD#.UsrhFfRDu-M

Total price $9,692.

You save 3,005 and pay no shipping and tax since the speakers are on closeout and you save $100 but buying two subs at once. .

So you cost for this $10,000 system is $6,687.

Downside, the speakers are nor Ribbon which you requested.

Upside, the speakers are 1000 times better than the ribbons you picked.

I have 3 other sets of speakers that you could go with but they will be full price so the value is not as good and the y are only comparable speakers not better speakers.

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I am not one for expensive interconnections and speaker wire but still you'll need a couple hundred for that.

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No need to spend even a couple hundred. For speaker cables, get 14 gauge zip and good spade lugs. For interconnects, get Belden cables with good termination. Blue Jeans cables are inexpensive high-quality products.
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Preamp, $1,095

http://www.audioadvisor.com/Parasound-Halo-P5-Stereo-Preamplifier/productinfo/PAHAP5/#.UsrnxfRDu-M

Power amp $2,299

http://www.audioadvisor.com/Parasound-Halo-A21-Two-Channel-Amplifier/productinfo/PAHA21/SIL/#.Usrd1vRDu-M

Speakers $5,000

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-83552-focal-profile-918-diamond-black-pr.aspx

Subs, 1,298

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/dual-subwoofers/Dual-SB12-NSD#.UsrhFfRDu-M

Total price $9,692.

You save 3,005 and pay no shipping and tax since the speakers are on closeout and you save $100 but buying two subs at once. .

So you cost for this $10,000 system is $6,687.

Downside, the speakers are nor Ribbon which you requested.

Upside, the speakers are 1000 times better than the ribbons you picked.

I have 3 other sets of speakers that you could go with but they will be full price so the value is not as good and the y are only comparable speakers not better speakers.

 

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You need a pre-amp and power amp or amps not a receiver.

At your price point I like Nad for power.

I like that you want ribbons, I am listening to a pair now.

Ordinarily I suggest PSB at this price but maybe a Dali instead?

Maybe electrostatic speakers?

I'll post back later today or tomorrow with a full system recommendation.

Thank you very much for the information and suggestions on speakers as well as the links. Are the motion 40's really that bad? I listed them because they are the best speakers i have gotten to demo so far. I'm not against a dynamic tweeter at all so long as it gives an airy presentation, and from what i have read so far it merely sounded like ribbon tweeters did that better but what do I know? As far as electrostatics, i really do like the their presentation and speed. My concern with them however is their small  sweet spot and positioning them. I made a small list for a general example of what i listen to in my first post but i listen to female vocals the most, and love acoustical work and strings when all the small details come out and you can hear and feel the bow sliding across the strings. I do not, and have not ever had a nice system but for anyone who may be familiar with some headphones i own the sennheiser HD598's and really enjoy their signature.

 

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