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Please provide input (budget $400-600 not concrete but the goal is to minimize expense):

Receiver

Onkyo TX-8050

Onkyo TX-8020

Is the 8050 more desirable because of optical inputs from the PC?


Woofer

1. BIC F12

or

2. BIC V1020


Bookshelves

1. I own (4) Klipsch satelites from the "Promedia 2.1" sets. I could put them to use for this, what do you think?

2. Unsure, I have not done enough research



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The satellites you have will be OK for the rear channels. You need some larger speakers for the front in order to get enough volume of sound and some mid-bass.

Front speakers should have at least 5" drivers and be rated down to 60 Hz or lower. Smaller ones can't deliver enough sound.

The Dayton Audio B652 would be a good choice and are ridiculously cheap for their quality ($40!!). Don't let the low price put you off; they are better than many $200 speakers (and a LOT better than your current speakers).

The JBL ES250P is a much better subwoofer, and can be had for $200 or so.

The Onkyo 8050 is fair, but the 8020 is worthless; badly underpowered. for running 5 channels. There are better receivers for the money.

The Harman-Kardon 1700 is much better in every respect, and can be had for a similar price ($260). That would be my first choice for an AVR in your price range.
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The satellites you have will be OK for the rear channels. You need some larger speakers for the front in order to get enough volume of sound and some mid-bass.

Front speakers should have at least 5" drivers and be rated down to 60 Hz or lower. Smaller ones can't deliver enough sound.

The Dayton Audio B652 would be a good choice and are ridiculously cheap for their quality ($40!!). Don't let the low price put you off; they are better than many $200 speakers (and a LOT better than your current speakers).

The JBL ES250P is a much better subwoofer, and can be had for $200 or so.

The Onkyo 8050 is fair, but the 8020 is worthless; badly underpowered. for running 5 channels. There are better receivers for the money.

The Harman-Kardon 1700 is much better in every respect, and can be had for a similar price ($260). That would be my first choice for an AVR in your price range.

Onkyo receivers listed are stereo receivers.

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/harman-kardon-avr-1700-av-receiver
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Onkyo receivers listed are stereo receivers.

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/harman-kardon-avr-1700-av-receiver

Good point, but 5.1 would be easy to do also since he has the 4 speakers now, and presumably a center speaker.

The Harman-Kardon 3490 is a very good stereo receiver, with subwoofer outputs.
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Good point, but 5.1 would be easy to do also since he has the 4 speakers now, and presumably a center speaker.

The Harman-Kardon 3490 is a very good stereo receiver, with subwoofer outputs.


Your comments on the AVR 1700 power supply?

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 32.8 watts
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For the OP. Don't worry about amplifier power. For purposes of listening to stereo music in a typical room in a typical home with typical speakers, anything over 10 watts per channel is probably fine. My two channel amplifier is only 35 watts per channel and will drive me out of the room. The main speakers are the most important part of the system and you are dealing with them as an afterthought. If budget doesn't allow for some main speakers, then I would hold off on the subwoofer until you can afford to add that. Some reasonable priced yet good performing bookshelf speakers are these and these. These also get good press. If it were my money I would go for the EMP. They are well made.

Using the speakers you have for the time being with a subwoofer is an option but isn't the option I would choose. The subwoofer should come later.

Otherwise your choices look like they would work just fine.
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Thank you for the input.

I plan to sell the 2 sets of promedia 2.1s (1 muddied woofer, 1 woofer with little to no output, both control pods are useless) and will conduct research on a bookshelf pair with atleast a 5" driver and rated to/below 60hz

I will also look at the JBL ES250P woofer, the HK avr and all of the bookshelf recommendations.

I won't be setting up 5.1, even though I have the extra satellites. I will sell them to offset costs.
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The H-K 3390 is a pretty good stereo receiver, which would be a keeper even if you spend more on speakers or other gear later.

I would go for it if you are planning on sticking to a 2.1 setup. B & H Photo has it for $240.

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Thank you for the input.

I plan to sell the 2 sets of promedia 2.1s (1 muddied woofer, 1 woofer with little to no output, both control pods are useless) and will conduct research on a bookshelf pair with at least a 5" driver and rated to/below 60hz

I will also look at the JBL ES250P woofer, the HK avr and all of the bookshelf recommendations.

I won't be setting up 5.1, even though I have the extra satellites. I will sell them to offset costs.
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Will the HK 3390 provide bass management or any room correction? I've seen the terms being flung around as people consider using a stereo receiver vs a 5.1/7.1 AVR for their 2.1 setup.
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Will the HK 3390 provide bass management or any room correction? I've seen the terms being flung around as people consider using a stereo receiver vs a 5.1/7.1 AVR for their 2.1 setup.
No. If you want bass management and room correction at similar prices get an AVR.

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No. If you want bass management and room correction at similar prices get an AVR.

I'm not sure if I want them or not. My only experience thus far has been with Onkyo's audyssey process and basic car audio
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I've been using a 3390 in my bedroom 2 channel setup for a couple of years until recently. I replaced it with a Denon 1713 AVR. I got tired of hearing the bass peaks drone on and on with some music I play. The Denon smoothed out the peaks and brought up the nulls to where I hear all the bass without those annoying peaks. I didn't miss the nulls since I couldn't hear them - until I switched to the AVR. Sound quality is just as good with an AVR as the stereo receiver and I can get decent audio over HDMI so no need for that snake-pit wiring I had prior. There is nothing whatever wrong with using an AVR for 2 channel listening. And most of them have as much power as the 3390. Which I have for sale if anyone is interested.

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fwiw, in your budget I totally agree with fellow members on an avr to power your speakers(digital inputs, dac, bass management) and the best pair of speakers available with the rest of your budget. then save up for a nice sub,(svs sb 1000). those subs you listed are not very good for music but are o.k for movies imo. in the end you will be much happier with the over all sound, just my 2 cents

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No. If you want bass management and room correction at similar prices get an AVR.

I'm not sure if I want them or not. My only experience thus far has been with Onkyo's audyssey process and basic car audio

Was that related to Alpine equipment?

Why make a lifetime commitment to never having them, versus leaving your options open?
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Good point, but 5.1 would be easy to do also since he has the 4 speakers now, and presumably a center speaker.

The Harman-Kardon 3490 is a very good stereo receiver, with subwoofer outputs.


Your comments on the AVR 1700 power supply?

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 32.8 watts

Irrelevant to listening to music or drama with speakers. Based on tests with pure sine waves on a test bench with resistive load.
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Irrelevant to listening to music or drama with speakers. Based on tests with pure sine waves on a test bench with resistive load.
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Blinded by BS, I guess.
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Newegg has THESE ( Definitive Technology SM350 ) for $200. They are probably overkill for a PC setup, but you probably won't want to upgrade them anytime soon. Biggest challenge is finding a center to match these for anything under $200. The ProCenter 2000 ( $350 ) is probably the closest match. You definitely won't need a subwoofer for music with the SM350. You'll probably want one for movies.

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I think I'd rather have the SM45 or SM55 but either one would exceed the OP's budget. The 350 is from the previous series and not as good IMHO.

If you go the passive route, the Cambridge S30 is a nice smaller speaker ($180 at accessories4less.com) and that would leave enough for a budget AVR. You could add the subwoofer later when finances allow. Also, have you considered powered monitors instead?

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No. If you want bass management and room correction at similar prices get an AVR.

I agree with this. I had an Onkyo TX-8050 for a year or so, and it's a fantastic 2-channel receiver in all respects but bass management (networkable capabilities, the ability to fully control via smartphone is a big plus over many others, but that's just me). I moved up to Denon 2313CI (this was the one that met all of my requirements) and my music listening time is worlds better. For a 2-channel only set up these dedicated receivers are fine, but if a subwoofer is included it makes no sense NOT to go with an AVR.

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