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post #1 of 24 Old 08-03-2014, 03:41 PM - Thread Starter
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Bookshelf Speakers

Hello. I am looking at some bookshelf speakers for about $2000. Below are some of my options:

Polk Audio LSiM703

Monitor Audio GX50

Monitor Audio Silver 2

KEF LS50

Paradigm Studio 20 v.5


Are any of the above speakers any good? Thanks for any advice!
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nice budget a lot of nice sounding speakers in this budget
my recommendations;
kef ls 50
revel m106
dynaudio exite x14

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Check out Usher Audio, they sound good and look even better
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I would add the following to your list:

PSB Synchrony One B
Ascend Acoustics Sierra-2
KEF R300
Atlantic AT-2

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Thanks for some more great options!

Will look into these new options.
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I just got DefTec Studio Monitor 65s and am very happy with them. They are $900 a pair new or less if you go the open box route.

The other pair that made my short list was Aperion Versus Grand's bookshelf speakers.
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I recently bought a pair of B&W CM1's. Give those and the CM5's a listen in addition to the others listed.

Panasonic TC-P60ST60, Pioneer SC-1523-K, Oppo BDP-103D, Pioneer PL-550 + Cambridge Audio Azur 640P, B&W CM1 (fronts), B&W CM Centre, Athena Point 5 Mk II (rears), Hsu VTF-2
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I had the Paradigm Studio 10s. A very good speaker. But the one I like the best in what has been mentioned is the Sierra-2 from ascend acoustics with the RAAL ribbon tweeter. If you can swing it the Salk Silk Bookshelf at 3495 is a great speaker, front ported allowing for easier placement options, It uses the RAAL as well.
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Hello. I am looking at some bookshelf speakers for about $2000. Below are some of my options:

Polk Audio LSiM703

Monitor Audio GX50

Monitor Audio Silver 2

KEF LS50

Paradigm Studio 20 v.5


Are any of the above speakers any good? Thanks for any advice!
The Monitor Audio Silver 2 would be my choice.

The Dynaudio Excite X12 is also excellent.
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More nice options, thanks!

Anyone know a good place to buy speaker stands where you can fill with sand or metal pellets? I was looking on ebay and amazon but not very good ones.
I saw some VTI speaker stands but got some bad reviews.
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More nice options, thanks!

Anyone know a good place to buy speaker stands where you can fill with sand or metal pellets? I was looking on ebay and amazon but not very good ones.
I saw some VTI speaker stands but got some bad reviews.
Sanus Steel Foundations are sold by several online retailers.

Amazon sells several models for $120 and up, depending on the height etc.
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Sanus Steel Foundations are sold by several online retailers.

Amazon sells several models for $120 and up, depending on the height etc.
Great, I will take a look at them. Thanks!
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I will throw out VTI stands as well, very well build and they have a few more styles to choose from than Sanus.

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The Monitor Audio Silver 2 would be my choice.

The Dynaudio Excite X12 is also excellent.
Based on some technical tests I've seen lately, the pick of the litter sound quality wise is probably the LS50. I was just reading a post from someone who paired them with the Outlaw audio subwoofer and an AVR, and all other things being equal that has to be a dynamite combination.

Thing is that the KEF Uni-Q speakers have been technologically head and shoulders better than much of their competition for more than a decade. If you can pick up some earlier models, they represent pretty much the same great technology for a ton less money.
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I am wondering if I can use my receiver Denon AVR-4810CI to drive 4-ohm load speakers. Within the user manual, the unit can drive 6-ohm loads and 8-ohm loads.

But I just found this review on Sound & Vision magazine. On their Labs Measures, it seems like this receiver can drive 4-ohm loads with 2 channel speakers. Below is a quote from the Labs Measures:

"This graph shows that the AVR-4810Ci’s left channel, from CD input to speaker output with two channels driving 8-ohm loads, reaches 0.1 percent distortion at 168.2 watts and 1 percent distortion at 187.7 watts. Into 4 ohms, the amplifier reaches 0.1 percent distortion at 277.8 watts and 1 percent distortion at 303.5 watts."

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http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...-labs-measures


I wanted to make sure if I buy 4-ohm speakers, my receiver can handle it for 2 channel music. I do listen to very loud music to reference level. So I don't want to damage my receiver and the speakers with 4-ohm loads.

I was planning to buy an integrated amplifier but the power rating for them are pretty low. Like 60 watts per channel at 8-ohm loads. So I think I will stay with my Denon AVR-4810CI receiver.

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Stay with your Denon, since you already have it. I think there are very few bookshelf speaker in the 4 ohm range. Driving them should not be a problem.
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I am wondering if I can use my receiver Denon AVR-4810CI to drive 4-ohm load speakers. Within the user manual, the unit can drive 6-ohm loads and 8-ohm loads.

But I just found this review on Sound & Vision magazine. On their Labs Measures, it seems like this receiver can drive 4-ohm loads with 2 channel speakers. Below is a quote from the Labs Measures:

"This graph shows that the AVR-4810Ci’s left channel, from CD input to speaker output with two channels driving 8-ohm loads, reaches 0.1 percent distortion at 168.2 watts and 1 percent distortion at 187.7 watts. Into 4 ohms, the amplifier reaches 0.1 percent distortion at 277.8 watts and 1 percent distortion at 303.5 watts."

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http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...-labs-measures


I wanted to make sure if I buy 4-ohm speakers, my receiver can handle it for 2 channel music. I do listen to very loud music to reference level. So I don't want to damage my receiver and the speakers with 4-ohm loads.

I was planning to buy an integrated amplifier but the power rating for them are pretty low. Like 60 watts per channel at 8-ohm loads. So I think I will stay with my Denon AVR-4810CI receiver.
I have used my denon 2310 with a couple of different sets of 4ohm speakers and had no issues even at 75% volume range for an hour(ish). It did not overheat and shut down with the auto protection. (YMMV)
Both set were fairly easy to drive rated @ 90db sensitivity.

I did eventually get a 300w integrated amp to run the biggest set.

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How does one know if the volume range is at 75% ?
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How does one know if the volume range is at 75% ?
lol... sorry 3/4 on the volume dial... is that better ?

It was high enough that it was working hard pushing the 4ohm speakers and still didn't overheat.

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lol... sorry 3/4 on the volume dial... is that better ?

It was high enough that it was working hard pushing the 4ohm speakers and still didn't overheat.
Thing is that on an uncalibrated AVR, volume control settings are useless for estimating volume.

If you calibrate the AVR using Audyssey, MCACC YPAO or REW, then the volume control setting might actually mean something, but even that can still be up for discussion.
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Depending on the volume scale, Audyssey treats 0dB or 75dB as "reference level", which is supposed to be 85dB with 20dB of headroom. As Arny said this isn't exact by any means, but it at least gives you a ballpark of where you are. I would wager most people are listening somewhere between -15 and -5, or 60-70, depending on the scale you chose. Your receiver is designed to operate at that "reference" level so I wouldn't worry about over driving it unless you are using speaker impedances it isn't rated for.

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Depending on the volume scale, Audyssey treats 0dB or 75dB as "reference level", which is supposed to be 85dB with 20dB of headroom. As Arny said this isn't exact by any means, but it at least gives you a ballpark of where you are. I would wager most people are listening somewhere between -15 and -5, or 60-70, depending on the scale you chose. Your receiver is designed to operate at that "reference" level so I wouldn't worry about over driving it unless you are using speaker impedances it isn't rated for.
Ok, thanks for clarifying guys.

My only point was that playing 4ohm speakers on an 8ohm rated amp wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be.
I personally did not encounter any issues in doing this.

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Ok, thanks for clarifying guys.

My only point was that playing 4 ohm speakers on an 8 ohm rated amp wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be.
I personally did not encounter any issues in doing this.

Right. The potential 4 ohm issue is frequently seized on by people who for some reason seem to believe that separates are the only way to go for quality sound. This becomes very ironic when the separates involved aren't really that much more powerful than the AVRs that they like to say "sound like #@!!&*!" and "Sound night and day" worse.

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My speakers are on paper 4 ohm. (supercharged song towers). If you look on the impeadance curves there is a dip in the 3-4 ohm region, but for the most part it shows they are easy to drive. The builder (Jim Salk) will tell you that anything with an honest 80 watts at 8 ohms will do fine.
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