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Parasound Halo integrated amp

http://www.parasound.com/halo/integrated.php

I had a feeling they would come out with one eventually. I cannot find a price on it....I would guess $1500-2000.
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Just when I was planning to go JC2/A21. Will wait and rethink (I wonder how the integrated amp will stack up versus their separates).
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Apparently it will do 160 wpc, not the equal of the A21, but a real smart move on Parasound's part.
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It looks like a P5 with internal amp.

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I think they would want to have similar styling to the P5 as they do their various Halo amps. Most companies do this. Looks like it's going to have Wolfson DACs, that's a brand they haven't used before.
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Looks very impressive, but I wonder about the price.

The P5/A23 (125w/ch) Pre/Power is about $2000.

The P5/A21 (250w/ch) Pre/Power is about $3500.

Integrated amps are usually less than any Pre/Power combo, so I'm guessing around $1600 for the Integrated, though, of course, that is pure speculation.

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Looks very impressive, but I wonder about the price.

The P5/A23 (125w/ch) Pre/Power is about $2000.

The P5/A21 (250w/ch) Pre/Power is about $3500.

Integrated amps are usually less than any Pre/Power combo, so I'm guessing around $1600 for the Integrated, though, of course, that is pure speculation.

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The Halo Integrated is rated at 160 w/ch at 8 ohms. upgraded dac among other features that the P5 doesnt have. The price should be about $2499 give or take.

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very very interesting
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Thanks!. It's nerdy but accurate. Although my wife doesn't get too bothered by big amps speakers etc. As long as I make her a cheat sheet so that she can use the system when she wants to, she doesn't gripe much.

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Chris, tell Paul I said hello. I got a chance to talk to him for a while at Cedia. I took a look at the new integrated, it looks awesome.
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It looks like a P5 with internal amp.
Yeah, exactly. Includes a DAC and bass management.

I got vilified for saying this when the P 5 came out, but my one gripe is the motorized volume knob that physically moves when the volume is adjusted. I much prefer an electronic volume control. And that moving knob (and the bass management) are dead giveaways that the P5 (and now the Integrated) are descendants of the 2100, the "Halo" moniker notwithstanding.
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Yeah, exactly. Includes a DAC and bass management.

I got vilified for saying this when the P 5 came out, but my one gripe is the motorized volume knob that physically moves when the volume is adjusted. I much prefer an electronic volume control. And that moving knob (and the bass management) are dead giveaways that the P5 (and now the Integrated) are descendants of the 2100, the "Halo" moniker notwithstanding.
I need to clarify that I love my P5 and the motorized volume knob doesn't bother me at all.

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I need to clarify that I love my P5 and the motorized volume knob doesn't bother me at all.
Yeah, I understand. It's a matter of preference. To me it's a 20-year-old solution that you rarely see anymore. I had an old Denon preamp that had a motorized volume control, but that was 1991. And all evidence I have suggests the P 5 is mostly 2100 (not P 3), and while I don't have a problem with that, some people might.
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Yeah, I understand. It's a matter of preference. To me it's a 20-year-old solution that you rarely see anymore. I had an old Denon preamp that had a motorized volume control, but that was 1991. And all evidence I have suggests the P 5 is mostly 2100 (not P 3), and while I don't have a problem with that, some people might.
I you don't have a problem with it why do you keep bringing it up ?

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I you don't have a problem with it why do you keep bringing it up ?
Er, lemme see ... 'cause "some people might."

It's a valid point, dude.
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meh. I like the motorized volume, especially if you can see where it is from the seat. My Audible Illusions L3 has a motorized volume control as well.

I'm more concerned with the view that the 2100 may be being recycled into this. I had a 2100 for a while and it didn't move me the way others have.

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The 2100 idea is idle speculation at best, and Parasound is not going to use the 2100 in any way for a component that costs over 3 times as much. That's just not how they roll.
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The 2100 idea is idle speculation at best, and Parasound is not going to use the 2100 in any way for a component that costs over 3 times as much. That's just not how they roll.
Idle speculation. Go look at the feature sets and the physical layouts, front and rear. Compare the 2100, P 3 and P 5. See for yourself. You'll see that the P 5 has almost nothing in common with the Halo line and almost everything in common with the 2100. The P 5 looks like a 2100 with a DAC, and the Integrated looks like a P 5 with an amp. Then think about how manufacturing really works. I have always liked Parasound, but lots of companies roll this way, especially small ones.
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meh. I like the motorized volume, especially if you can see where it is from the seat. My Audible Illusions L3 has a motorized volume control as well.

I'm more concerned with the view that the 2100 may be being recycled into this. I had a 2100 for a while and it didn't move me the way others have.
I try not to get involved with non-quantitative topics on this thread but when I see misinformation I try to offer up what facts I have.

Both the P 5 and 2100 are great sounding preamps, In my opinion, but they don’t share much in common other than the power supply. The 2100 was designed about 7 years ago and the P5 was designed by a different team from the ground up about 2 years ago. While they do have some of the same functionality and general features, the internals are very different. They do both use the same Alps brand analog volume potentiometer but, the rest of the circuits and components, implementation are different throughout. Please take a look at the 2 internal photos of both the P5 and the 2100. PM for High resolution copies of these shots. You can see that the P 5 layout was designed from the start to leave space for the power supply and amplifier section of the Integrated. This was done both from the standpoint of fitting it all in there but also to reduce interference between the high power amp section and lower voltage audio signals.

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I need this. Any word on pricing or release date?
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I would rather have an integrated amplifier but if the price is $2,500 as suggested then the P5/A23 is the better value (at least for me). I do not really care about the "upgraded" DAC and 125W/CH is more than enough. Hopefully it will be less than $2,000 after all there is one less chassis, less parts, one less box & packaging material, power cable, manual, etc.
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I would rather have an integrated amplifier but if the price is $2,500 as suggested then the P5/A23 is the better value (at least for me). I do not really care about the "upgraded" DAC and 125W/CH is more than enough. Hopefully it will be less than $2,000 after all there is one less chassis, less parts, one less box & packaging material, power cable, manual, etc.

The Halo integrated is still set to be $2495 retail and should be shipping by January if not sooner. There are a few new features and changes on the integrated that are not found on a P5 A23 Combo. In short. A new remote control with backlit buttons, An illuminated volume control knob, CNC Aluminum end caps, instead of the old plastic ones, and the glowing red P badge will be replaced by a new Parasound Name badge. The dac will be improved from the P5 But I do not have any details to divulge right now. Let me know if you have any questions.

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The Halo integrated is still set to be $2495 retail and should be shipping by January if not sooner. There are a few new features and changes on the integrated that are not found on a P5 A23 Combo. In short. A new remote control with backlit buttons, An illuminated volume control knob, CNC Aluminum end caps, instead of the old plastic ones, and the glowing red P badge will be replaced by a new Parasound Name badge. The dac will be improved from the P5 But I do not have any details to divulge right now. Let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks for your reply and that is too bad. When you add LEDs for backlighting, volume knob and badge, some aluminum end caps and a different dac chip and then substract everything I mentioned I fail to see how it can come-in over $1,700 or $1,800. To me it is over priced. I have decided to skip Parasound all together and look for another integrated amp.
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Thanks for your reply and that is too bad. When you add LEDs for backlighting, volume knob and badge, some aluminum end caps and a different dac chip and then substract everything I mentioned I fail to see how it can come-in over $1,700 or $1,800. To me it is over priced. I have decided to skip Parasound all together and look for another integrated amp.
Sorry to hear you are taking that approach. I will however wish you the very best of luck in your pursuit for Audio Bliss and I hope you can find an Integrated that suits ALL of you needs.

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The reason why i skipped the P5 was because it laced dual xlr subwoofer out for my pro amp driving 2 subs. It looks like this jntegrated also only has 1 xlr sub out. I agree it is overpriced compared to the A23/P5 combo. The differences don`t seem substantial. I would have expected to be a couple hundred cheaper than the two box solution.

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Good luck finding a 2 channel pre/amp combo or integrated with dual sub output for under $2000. In the 2 channel world a second sub is kind of like a third wheel, as the vast majority of music is not recorded to employ 2 subs(as in a stereo subwoofer setup). So you're not going to see 2 sub outputs on 2 channel gear for the most part.

Now all of the double subbers are going to chime in, and that's fine. Maybe some have massive listening rooms or 2 12" subs with 1000 watts each in their vehicle too, but that's certainly not the typical set up or what the vast majority of music is produced for. You'll have to get creative, maybe you can use a y adapter or something.

As for the new integrated and its price, I'm going to withhold judgement. I'm curious about it. Parasound has some pretty expensive Halo gear, and I'm wondering if the integrated is going to be more in line with the JC stuff than the P5, or maybe just something in between, more than the sum of it's parts or something like that. My A21 and P7 set me back plenty, and this integrated would have been a solution at almost half the price.

Writing it off is kind of premature, as if you could buy one right now. It's months away from release so you can't buy one or even measure it up with other brands. It's vaporware right now.

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Good luck finding a 2 channel pre/amp combo or integrated with dual sub output for under $2000. In the 2 channel world a second sub is kind of like a third wheel, as the vast majority of music is not recorded to employ 2 subs(as in a stereo subwoofer setup). So you're not going to see 2 sub outputs on 2 channel gear for the most part.

Now all of the double subbers are going to chime in, and that's fine. Maybe some have massive listening rooms or 2 12" subs with 1000 watts each in their vehicle too, but that's certainly not the typical set up or what the vast majority of music is produced for. You'll have to get creative, maybe you can use a y adapter or something.
Many are using dual (or more) subs in order to smooth out in-room bass response, to lessen the need for or extensiveness of room treatments utilized to tame bass issues.

Not sure what you mean by, "the vast majority of music is not recorded to employ 2 subs(as in a stereo subwoofer setup)". If any music has bass in the 20–200 Hz range, employing multiple subwoofers can be an very viable method for improving your listening experience. Particularly if you listen in more than one location within your room.

And it matters not whether you already have tower speakers with excellent deep bass performance. Ideally placed multiple subwoofers, in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing (plenty of those available right here on AVS), can only enhance the total audio experience.
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Exactly. Employing 2 or more subwoofers has little-to-nothing to do with how the music was recorded and everything to do with how bass and room acoustics are intertwined..

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