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I am looking for information on 2 channel pre-amps with HT pass thru. I have looked at the Parasound 2100 and it looks very interesting. I thought I would inquire as to what else is available in the 2100's price range ($600). I am looking to intergrate the 2 channel pre-amp in my HT.

I am thinking of the Denon 3808 or Onkyo 875 with my Parasound A52 amp for HT duties and the 2 channel pre-amp for music. I currently have Anthem AVM 30 but would like something with HDMI 1.3 but still have good 2 channel SQ. Any thoughts on other 2 channel pre-amps with HT pass thru would be appreicated.

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Bill,
Very good questions as I am in the same boat as you. I will probably be giving up my AVM20 for the Integra DTC 9.8, and many are looking for just such a 2-channel pre-amp. The Cary SLP-03 ( I believe) looks nice but not sure what the cost is, maybe someone can chime in. My guess is, it's more in the $2000-2500 range. I like that is has balanced inputs and outputs, not sure about the Parasound. I look forward to other's responses to your question.

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I'm using a Parasound Model 2100 in my 2.1 channel computer setup. So far, I've been very pleased with it, though it is my first mid-fi preamp. I haven't used its HT bypass function yet, but will be sometime in the next few years as I move into a larger space that will allow a multichannel setup.

My only quibble (and it's a small one), is that the volume knob feels a little cheap. However, I use a universal remote 95% of the time, so it's hardly a disappointment to me.

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Proceed PRE.

Last I saw, ~$600 on A-gon for a clean specimen.

I have one and have used it in this regard with my AVM 20 - although it's currently in a dedicated 2-ch setup.

Just because there is a knob doesn't mean you should turn it.
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I'm using a Parasound Model 2100 in my 2.1 channel computer setup. So far, I've been very pleased with it, though it is my first mid-fi preamp. I haven't used its HT bypass function yet, but will be sometime in the next few years as I move into a larger space that will allow a multichannel setup.

My only quibble (and it's a small one), is that the volume knob feels a little cheap. However, I use a universal remote 95% of the time, so it's hardly a disappointment to me.

SysteX,

Thanks for your thoughts on the 2100. I see you are from Boston, I work over in Somerville.

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Proceed PRE.

Last I saw, ~$600 on A-gon for a clean specimen.

I have one and have used it in this regard with my AVM 20 - although it's currently in a dedicated 2-ch setup.

whoaru99,

Thanks for the suggestion, I will jump over to A-gon to see if any are for sale.

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Bill,
Very good questions as I am in the same boat as you. I will probably be giving up my AVM20 for the Integra DTC 9.8, and many are looking for just such a 2-channel pre-amp. The Cary SLP-03 ( I believe) looks nice but not sure what the cost is, maybe someone can chime in. My guess is, it's more in the $2000-2500 range. I like that is has balanced inputs and outputs, not sure about the Parasound. I look forward to other's responses to your question.

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I would love the Cary but way out of my price range. Thanks for the suggestion though.

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There are a couple threads about HT bypass in which there are more suggestions. Might have to search back a little further though.

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I am interested in this subject also. A Pass Labs X2.5 would be my first choice but I am concerned that it stays on all the time - no standby. Not a problem except my Innersound ESL amp also stays on all the time too, and the idea of both being on full time together makes me a little nervous. Plinius makes a couple of nice pres with HT bypass, the discontinued CDLad with upgrade (II) and the new and beautiful M-8. Coda and Innersound/Sander Sound also make a very good pre with HT bypass. And don't forget the Citation 7.0, which even though it is a multichannel analog preamp it has a great 2 ch bypass.

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This thread has some info about tube preamps with HT bypass:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=958440
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I have the Onkyo 885. My next step is buying a used McIntosh, C2300 Tube Preamp ($3,500, to $4,000.00) this has 2 sets of 2 channel (RCA or XLR), analog pass thru connections (L/R front and the other L/R for the sub). I kept my SMS-1 sub eq so I can set discreet eq setups. I can set a couple of different Bass Management settings, HT/Lossless profiles and a specific one for 2 channel audio only (40hz) My 703's need a sub.

You may want to look at the PS Audio GCP-200 stereo preamplifier. This is a Solid-Stated 2 channel preamp with a Low Frequency pass thru. You can pass thru the 2 front speakers and pass the LFE channel. Comes with XLR or RCA for front pass thru, used for $1,000.00 and refebs/warranty on the PS Audio website for
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This thread has some info about tube preamps with HT bypass:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=958440

Jorge,

Thanks for the link.

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I have the Onkyo 885. My next step is buying a used McIntosh, C2300 Tube Preamp ($3,500, to $4,000.00) this has 2 sets of 2 channel (RCA or XLR), analog pass thru connections (L/R front and the other L/R for the sub). I kept my SMS-1 sub eq so I can set discreet eq setups. I can set a couple of different Bass Management settings, HT/Lossless profiles and a specific one for 2 channel audio only (40hz) My 703's need a sub.

You may want to look at the PS Audio GCP-200 stereo preamplifier. This is a Solid-Stated 2 channel preamp with a Low Frequency pass thru. You can pass thru the 2 front speakers and pass the LFE channel. Comes with XLR or RCA for front pass thru, used for $1,000.00 and refebs/warranty on the PS Audio website for
$1,500.00

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B&Wguy,

Thanks for the suggestions, the PS looks good I will keep my eyes open on a-gon. I am trying to stay under $1k, the Proceed Pre looks like the one but missed two on a-gon.

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B&Wguy,

Thanks for the suggestions, the PS looks good I will keep my eyes open on a-gon. I am trying to stay under $1k, the Proceed Pre looks like the one but missed two on a-gon.

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I recently picked up a McCormack RLD-1 preamp that has a theater bypass used for under $1k. I know it's a fair amount more than the Parasound but they can often be found for less than half of retail used on A-Gon. It is the finest pre-amp I've ever owned and betters the McIntosh C15 stereo preamp that it replaced. It is in my opinion one of those gems that you hardly hear about but it's outstanding in both value and sound quality. It has unbelievable 3D imaging, is very detailed yet unfatigueing, and dead quiet. The bypass is unity gain leaving only "mute" as the only function in Theater Mode. It is extremely transparent in both active and bypass modes. I'm 75% music so this was exactly what I was looking for. McCormack is owned by Conrad Johnson and is built in the same factory, this is evident in the look, feel, and sound of the RLD-1. I can't say enough good things about it.
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I am looking for information on 2 channel pre-amps with HT pass thru. I have looked at the Parasound 2100 and it looks very interesting. I thought I would inquire as to what else is available in the 2100's price range ($600). I am looking to intergrate the 2 channel pre-amp in my HT.

I am thinking of the Denon 3808 or Onkyo 875 with my Parasound A52 amp for HT duties and the 2 channel pre-amp for music. I currently have Anthem AVM 30 but would like something with HDMI 1.3 but still have good 2 channel SQ. Any thoughts on other 2 channel pre-amps with HT pass thru would be appreicated.

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Bill Mac I have also being eyeing out the 2100. Specs look good and price is good...Anybody heard it and can compare it against other preamps ?
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I recently picked up a McCormack RLD-1 preamp that has a theater bypass used for under $1k. I know it's a fair amount more than the Parasound but they can often be found for less than half of retail used on A-Gon. It is the finest pre-amp I've ever owned and betters the McIntosh C15 stereo preamp that it replaced. It is in my opinion one of those gems that you hardly hear about but it's outstanding in both value and sound quality. It has unbelievable 3D imaging, is very detailed yet unfatigueing, and dead quiet. The bypass is unity gain leaving only "mute" as the only function in Theater Mode. It is extremely transparent in both active and bypass modes. I'm 75% music so this was exactly what I was looking for. McCormack is owned by Conrad Johnson and is built in the same factory, this is evident in the look, feel, and sound of the RLD-1. I can't say enough good things about it.

I might consider one of these as I am looking at analog preamps. What other analog preamps or AVPs with analog bypass have you used that you can consider the McCormack to?

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Bill Mac I have also being eyeing out the 2100. Specs look good and price is good...Anybody heard it and can compare it against other preamps ?

It seems that very few have experience with the 2100. I might contact a local dealer and see if I could take a display unit home to demo. If I connect in bypass to my AVM 30 it will allow me to do a good comparison between the two.

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I recently picked up a McCormack RLD-1 preamp that has a theater bypass used for under $1k. I know it's a fair amount more than the Parasound but they can often be found for less than half of retail used on A-Gon. It is the finest pre-amp I've ever owned and betters the McIntosh C15 stereo preamp that it replaced. It is in my opinion one of those gems that you hardly hear about but it's outstanding in both value and sound quality. It has unbelievable 3D imaging, is very detailed yet unfatigueing, and dead quiet. The bypass is unity gain leaving only "mute" as the only function in Theater Mode. It is extremely transparent in both active and bypass modes. I'm 75% music so this was exactly what I was looking for. McCormack is owned by Conrad Johnson and is built in the same factory, this is evident in the look, feel, and sound of the RLD-1. I can't say enough good things about it.

Steve,

Thanks for the suggestion of the RLD-1. I could drop by Spearit Sound and have a listen as I work in Somerville. The one problem could be its width at 19" it might be an issue in my rack.

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Classé CP-50 and CP-60 preamps have HT bypass. CP-50s pop up on Audiogon from time to time, although they go for more than the Parasound 2100, usually in the $950.00 range.

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BILL MAC, I picked up a demo Model 2100 and will have it by end of Friday delivered. Will let you know how it sounds ...
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Classé CP-50 and CP-60 preamps have HT bypass. CP-50s pop up on Audiogon from time to time, although they go for more than the Parasound 2100, usually in the $950.00 range.

Glen,

Thanks for your suggestion, more to chose from over at a-gon.

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BILL MAC, I picked up a demo Model 2100 and will have it by end of Friday delivered. Will let you know how it sounds ...

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That would be great if you could let me know what you think. What will you be using for a amp and speakers?

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The PS Audio PCA-2 looks interesting. Any thoughts on the PCA-2?

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That would be great if you could let me know what you think. What will you be using for a amp and speakers?

Thanks, Bill

I'm using Vincent Audio SP331 tube/ss amp and horn speaker kit from Madisound.

Initially it did not sound very good, although it was demo, it still looked brand new and had the fascia protection plastic so I had a feeling it was not quite broken into yet. I let it play for about 15 hours before I sat down and did further listening. There was an improvement in soundstage and depth. I listened closely to a few of my favorite cd tracks and could hear more detail, more breathing of the artists and their fingers sliding on the body of their guitar. It does not appear to add anything to the overall sound and I would say its somewhat neutral but revealing of your sources.

I had a feeling that my Elite DV-48 was somewhat bright and the 2100 brought it to my attention. Some of this brightness was evident when played thru my Marantz 7002 but was "warmed down" by the innards of the 7002.

Not sure if there is lots of gain in the 7100 or my amp but I just need to turn the volume slightly and its really loud. I also turned off tone controls while listening.

HT bypass works as expected.

I still have sometime before returning if I feel this 2100 is not up to snuff. But so far I like what I hear.
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I'm using Vincent Audio SP331 tube/ss amp and horn speaker kit from Madisound.

Initially it did not sound very good, although it was demo, it still looked brand new and had the fascia protection plastic so I had a feeling it was not quite broken into yet. I let it play for about 15 hours before I sat down and did further listening. There was an improvement in soundstage and depth. I listened closely to a few of my favorite cd tracks and could hear more detail, more breathing of the artists and their fingers sliding on the body of their guitar. It does not appear to add anything to the overall sound and I would say its somewhat neutral but revealing of your sources.

I had a feeling that my Elite DV-48 was somewhat bright and the 2100 brought it to my attention. Some of this brightness was evident when played thru my Marantz 7002 but was "warmed down" by the innards of the 7002.

Not sure if there is lots of gain in the 7100 or my amp but I just need to turn the volume slightly and its really loud. I also turned off tone controls while listening.

HT bypass works as expected.

I still have sometime before returning if I feel this 2100 is not up to snuff. But so far I like what I hear.

Neville,

Thanks for your thoughts. I have not been able to locate a local dealer that has one I can demo. My thoughts are the 2100 seems to be priced so low that I am concerned with its SQ.

But with your thoughts and the fact that pricing does not always mean a component is not good if affordable. Will look forward to more thoughts on the 2100 as you spend more time with it.

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I have Proceed Pre coming! Should have it by the end of the week. Will post my thoughts once it is up and running. I am very much looking forward to a step up in SQ for 2 channel in my system! Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and help.

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I just picked up a used Simaudio Moon P-3 for a similar purpose and should have it tomorrow.

I am interested in how it will integrate with the system.

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I just picked up a used Simaudio Moon P-3 for a similar purpose and should have it tomorrow.

I am interested in how it will integrate with the system.

Good luck,
Mike

Mike,

Good luck to you as well. I have read many good things about Simaudio products, I am sure you will be pleased. Please post your thoughts when you have it up and running. What does the rest of your system consist of?

Take care, Bill

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I just picked up a used Simaudio Moon P-3 for a similar purpose and should have it tomorrow.

I am interested in how it will integrate with the system.

Good luck,
Mike

You're the one! I lost out on that unit at Audiogon - too slow. Please report back and let us know what you think of it.

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