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post #1 of 218 Old 03-20-2007, 09:30 PM - Thread Starter
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I have an opportunity to get inexpensive BBAR coating on DIY prisms at the end of the month. I will be in Orange County, California, from March 30-April 4.

Richard at L&L Optics in Mission Viejo, California, www.llopt.com, quoted me $50. per pair of 5x7 prisms if I can put together a group purchase of at least 12 pairs. If I have a group order of 6 pairs the cost of coating is $75. each pair. I am in for 2 pairs myself, which I can pick up from Joe Lopez at www.CrystalFactory.com March 30 in Buena Park. (They cost $60. each single prism for the CWD57 (non-engraved) and no further group discounts are available there.

If you don't have prisms but are thinking of doing a diy anamorphic lens in North America, this is a good chance to buy the prisms over the phone and have me pick them up and take them to L&L for coating. Then they will be shipped back to you (by me or L&L--not sure yet). Shipping cost is not included in the quotes.

If you already have the prisms but want to get them coated at a great price, you can ship them to me first and I will carry them to L&L. I must have them at my residence in Northern California by Thursday, March 29 at the latest if I am going to hand carry them.

The cost to coat one pair is $525. and I find this prohibitive. So I need a few intrepid souls to risk sending their prisms to me for the group deal. If there are 4 to 10 pairs out there looking for anti-reflection coating, send me a PM or reply on this thread with questions. We need to move quickly if this is going to happen. No one is committed (including me) until I have the minimum number. I can't take too many, either. If there is a lot of interest maybe someone else can follow up with logistics on a second order.

L&L doesn't want to receive the prisms directly in onesy-twosies at the group rate. I asked about that.

If you PM your email I can send you a copy of the original quote from L&L for your perusal.

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Good find

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Thanks. By the way, since cheap coating is now possible, doesn't it make sense to revisit the advantages of the 4 prism lens over the 2 prism version?
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I am in. I live in Orange County and was already thinking of visiting Crystal Factory. This comes at the right time. I will buy these prism and make an arrangement to get to you.

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Count me in for one pair to get coated. I already have the 5x7 prisms so I will be shipping mine to you. Let me know any further info as it becomes available and send me a pm with shipping info.
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Excellent opportunity.
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I'm in los angeles and have a pair of 5x7's on order with massillon plaque. assumming i get these in the next week or so I would definitely be interested. I don't want to complicate things but I'd rather not ship all of 30 miles... maybe we can work something out. It would be great if this works out, thanks. chris
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If Chris' wedges come through from Massillon we will have at least 6 pairs. There are now 5 other pairs committed, including my 2. I'd like to wait a little longer today before giving the green light on this. One more pair would make it a certainty at the $75. level, which ought to be good enough for everybody. And we have a few more days to bring the price down to $50./pair if more people sign up.

Chris, how about following up on delivery status with Massillon?

Those who would order from Crystal Factory--wait a little--I'd rather work out a deal to pick up your wedges in person at their SoCal business location instead of having them shipped to you, then to me, then I carry them with me back to CF when I pick up my own wedges!

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rcgustafson ,
Have you thought about how we are going to identify our prisms once they are sent to you? I know atleast the Massillion and the Crystal Factory have different angles. Is there any way to ensure we get the same prisms back?
Thanks.
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rcgustafson,

Has anyone had this done yet? Do we know if this coating will improve the picture quality or help with some of the reflections and ca that have been seen (Limited as it may be). Or are you going into this coating kind of 'blind' and hoping it improves it?

Let me ask it a different way...

Do you have a DIY lense set up already where you can compare the reflections or ca you are getting now to what it will look like after coating?
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Richard,
Count me in for two pairs.
I have not ordered the prisms yet so let me know when I should do it and what instructions to leave them.
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Okay, as of Wednesday night we have enough to qualify at least for the $75./pair price with a few days to go. I have 6 commitments and 4 maybes. So I will proceed with the deal. Joe at Crystal Factory was out today but I will call him Thursday to check stock, then finalize things with L&L. Then I will get back to everybody. If you are in, please PM me with phone numbers or regular email addresses if you have not already done so.

Regarding who owns which prism: When you send them to me (unless purchasing new) mark the thick end piece with tape and your name written on the tape so I can tell which prisms are yours. More detailed shipping and payment instructions tomorrow.

If you are getting new ones from CF I will attempt to match them for size...although it is unclear that this makes any difference and the tolerances are supposed to be pretty good.

As for testing the coatings...no, I have no comparison and am going on the professional reputation of L&L. As for whether any coating is superior to non-coating, this seems to be beyond argument. All users and manufacturers known to me prefer coated to non-coated. If you are concerned about the quality, you can take a look at www.llopt.com or call them and judge for yourself.

Specs from the rate quote:

coat both sides with BBAR. ABS .5% R avg < .3% from 425-675nm AOI 0-20 degrees


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Hi Guy!

I was wondering if you think this procedure is beneficial for folks using your Aussiemorphic Lens. Can you tell from what these coating are called if they are worth the expense and downtime and could (would you mind) you explain in layman's terms what the benefit might be in going through this process (assuming your response is positive to begin with, of course).

Pending Mark's positive response, I'm in if it's not too late. I hope you're willing to give this a couple more days to mature. I feel confident that the $50 is going to be EASY to hit if you can/will just give it a few more days.

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I think this a great opportunity for you guys.

I've made contact with llopt and they have referred me to a company in Australia that can (hopefully) do this here. I am waiting for them to return my email...

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I spoke with Joe at Crystal Factory Thursday morning. He does not foresee any difficulty getting the wedges we want (CWD57) by March 30. However, I asked him to double check with his source and get back to me by phone. I did not hear from him so I called late in the day and he was busy with another customer. I left my number again, but by that time it was past 5 pm and I guess he quit for the day. So, I will call again Friday morning to be positive that he will have stock when I want to pick it up on March 30. Then I will contact everybody with instructions.

It may actually be possible for me to postpone the pickup from CF until April 4.

Meanwhile, we are up to eight confirmed pairs and two maybes. If those two convert and we add two more to the group before my pickup we will cut the price again. I am counting as maybes the two who have pending orders from Massilon Plaque.

In the worst case, we can get this done through shipping from CF to L&L instead of me hand carrying the wedges to L&L. So it looks like this is really going to happen!

I think it is safe to go ahead and ship existing prisms to me. I could still drop those pairs at L&L pending arrival of the new ones. I will now PM those who need to get their pairs out to me in California. However, most of you are buying new ones after I give the go ahead (hopefully Friday).

More info coming on Friday.

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Hi Richard,

I would be interested in getting a pair of coated prisms. So add me to the list. I will place an order for a pair of prisms from Crystal Factory that you can get when you pick up your order.

I already built a anamorphic lens with prisms from Mission Plaque. It works very well. Is the angle on the Crystal Factory prism different?

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Randy,

The CF prisms reportedly have a slightly greater angle than the Massillon Plaque--I assume that is what you meant instead of "Mission Plaque", with which I am unfamiliar. Some suggest that a larger angle is better, and a couple have not noted a significant difference. It certainly isn't worse.

Go ahead with your CF order! See my next post, too.

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Good news! Joe at CF confirmed today that he has at least 20 wedges available to us by March 30. Maybe more if we inquire soon enough. We have 16 of these in demand by current group purchasers. If you are on the list, go ahead and call CF now!! Ask for Joe, order CWD57 (non-engraved) and have him hold them for pickup March 30 by Gustafson. Pay him by credit card now.

We have 11 confirmed pairs going in for coating. A few are being sent to me by current owners, and the rest will be new from CF. The 12th order (Jones) is pending confirmed shipment from Massillon and then to me but the buyer is thinking of ordering from CF to make sure.

I think we are going to make the 12 minimum limit for the lower price!

Turnaround time at L&L is 1-2 weeks not including shipping time.

Still time to get in on this opportunity for a few more people.

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Just called a few minutes ago to place my order with CF... When you first call the lady that answers will start asking you questions like what company you're with, and if Joe is expecting a call from you, etc. Just tell her it's about "the wedges" and she'll likely know what you're talking about right away. That was the magic word that got me in.
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I think this a great opportunity for you guys.

I've made contact with llopt and they have referred me to a company in Australia that can (hopefully) do this here. I am waiting for them to return my email...

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Well done Mark go for it!!!

You have my support.

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Alright. I am in. Joe just took my order for one pair. He referred to Richard as the "wedge man" lol. He said a bunch of guys have called...

Richard: I will pm you my contact info. Thanks
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Okay, we are up to 14 commitments for prism pairs to be coated. If anybody flakes out we are still above the magic 12 number. I think I am going to call these things prisms when they get to L&L and wedges before that.


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Joe just took my order for one pair. He referred to Richard as the "wedge man" lol.

Well, I guess I'd rather be WedgeMan than WedgieMan. Next time I'd prefer to be OLEDMan or something a little more techie...

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Well done Mark go for it!!!

You have my support.

Ben

Thanks Ben

Even better news is that I have a new supplier that can provide fully coated BK7 in the same size as the prisms I am currently using...

Exciting time ahead - Get ready for the "Aussiemorphic Lens" MKII...

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Are there directions somewhere on how to put the two prisms together completing the DIY lense?

What's the difference between using these crystals and a multi-thousand $ new lense?

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Are there directions somewhere on how to put the two prisms together completing the DIY lense?

What's the difference between using these crystals and a multi-thousand $ new lense?

The main DIY thread is HERE, but someone distilled a lot of the info found in that thread and made a nice overview page HERE.

The difference is of course cost mainly. I'm sure there's possibly some quality differences as well, but how much of a difference is unknown (at least to me anyway). Then of course there's the fact you do have to spend some time building an enclosure to hold the prisms. With these coated prisms, I would think we should be able to approach the quality of similar commercial lenses.
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do we know if this will coat all three sides? could the short side be one of the reflection sources? thanks, chris
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Chris,

Only the two large surfaces (5"x7") are coated. The way to deal with reflections off the ends is to apply some electrical tape or other covering to block any light output through the ends. This is discussed in the diy.audio threads.

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I am definitely a newbie when it comes to anamorphic lenses but after reading the threads on CIH and seeing the screen shots I WAS TOTALLY SOLD!! The only down side was the cost of lenses but after stubbling on this thread today and the associated links posted here a DIY lense would be very easy for me to build. Is it to late to get in on this fantastic opportunity. I live in Cypress, CA literally 10 minutes from the Crystal Factory and was thinking I could go over there tomorrow and see about purchasing some "wedges". If there is still room I would be very interested in participating.

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Nelson,

I live in Garden Grove and went there today. Joe do not have the wedges right now, cause he is getting them on tuesday. This will save you a trip.
He said he is ordering more, better to call him and make sure he gets it in time.

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Nelson,

I live in Garden Grove and went there today. Joe do not have the wedges right now, cause he is getting them on tuesday. This will save you a trip.

Thanks for the info!

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