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Info on your CLD-3030 (1987)

http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/la...r_cld-3030.htm

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I have no personal interest in this auction. There's a working CLD-703 on ebay for a decent price. The 703/704 players are considered the best non-elite players made. The 704 is the equal to the elite-79 and I believe both have a s/n ratio of 51dB. Just wanted to give a heads up. I have the 704, and compared to my CLD-M401, the pic is incredibly noise free. (51dB compared to 49dB.)

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funny, i have the same problem, in REVERSE, with my CLD-3030.

it has no issues whatsoever with spinning LD,
but load a CD, and it'll recognize as "COMPACT DISC"
and spin up, but get stuck spinning and evidently attempting
to sync the disc up and PLAY.

((i know the player's LD pickup is very much active during the player's CD mode, because every time i've ever attempted to play a CD through the 3030, i've always heard the laser furiously at work,
obviously continually attempting to lock to the disc, and obviously failing,
until i give up and hit EJECT))


this is no biggie at all for me, as i have a dedicated high-end CD player
for my CD collection (1987/1990 PIONEER ELITE PD-91)
-i just figure that someone might know what's going down here,
and whether it is something i can fix myself,
absolving this fine LD player of it's one very minor (for me) malfunction...






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got mine as a kit at my local COSTCO WHOLESALE back in mid-2009 for a wee-bit under $1k;



Nice camera, maybe one day I'll be able to afford a second SLR digital camera off eBay.
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Is that one of the DSLR's that can shoot 1080p video? I've heard movies are using those for some shots because of their size.

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Is that one of the DSLR's that can shoot 1080p video? I've heard movies are using those for some shots because of their size.

This thread has gotten way off topic. Please keep your camera discussion to another forum.
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Info on your CLD-3030 (1987)

http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/la...r_cld-3030.htm


thanks, i've LONG since happened across that, though...

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Hello! Who knows what kind of DAC on board the Pioneer LD-S1?

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Hello! Who knows what kind of DAC on board the Pioneer LD-S1?

yeah, while we're at it, can anyone out there provide internal photos
of the S1?

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I love Pioneer REFERENCE(URUSHI/ELITE)! I have a list below! I want to buy S1 and sell my CLD-2850. I have no movies, only music LDs. For this reason I want to know what the sound of the S1, which DAC? If sam body has internal photos of the S1, please, send for mee!

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Hello! Who knows what kind of DAC on board the Pioneer LD-S1?

They use a Burr-Brown design, PCM56P-K, that is 16 bit DAC one for each channel. If you really care about sound the CLD-95 was the last Elite to use the multi-bit DAC's and is supposed to be the best US model for Audio as it has two 20-Bit AD1862D. After this the US model went to a very good Philips Bit-Stream DAC for each channel but multi-bit will always have a warmer sound to Audiophiles. The HLD-X0 and X9 use newer 20-bits PCM1702P DAC's
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They use a Burr-Brown design, PCM56P-K, that is 16 bit DAC one for each channel. If you really care about sound the CLD-95 was the last Elite to use the multi-bit DAC's and is supposed to be the best US model for Audio as it has two 20-Bit AD1862D. After this the US model went to a very good Philips Bit-Stream DAC for each channel but multi-bit will always have a warmer sound to Audiophiles. The HLD-X0 and X9 use newer 20-bits PCM1702P DAC's

Thank you for your help! What do you think, Pioneer LD-Х1 with 2 x PCM58P-K on the board, whether he is good in the sound?

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I understand you are wondering about the DACs in the LD-S1, it being a beautiful piece of equipment circa 1987, I noticed the video only had a S/N of 48dB. I had a player with that video spec for 15 years, and ended up finding a CLD-704 (Which I believe is the same as the elite 79)

Anyway, the 704 had a S/N of 51dB, and although I'm sure it's not the sole reason, it created the best laserdisc picture I've seen. (I've never had the chance to see the HLD-X0 or X9.)

Can the S1 be modified to use a digital output? You could then use the DAC of your choice. I know these are questions you have likely thought about, I'm just curious as to what your thoughts are.

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I understand you are wondering about the DACs in the LD-S1, it being a beautiful piece of equipment circa 1987, I noticed the video only had a S/N of 48dB. I had a player with that video spec for 15 years, and ended up finding a CLD-704 (Which I believe is the same as the elite 79)
Anyway, the 704 had a S/N of 51dB, and although I'm sure it's not the sole reason, it created the best laserdisc picture I've seen. (I've never had the chance to see the HLD-X0 or X9.)
Can the S1 be modified to use a digital output? You could then use the DAC of your choice. I know these are questions you have likely thought about, I'm just curious as to what your thoughts are.

I'm not interested in digital output. I do not watch a movie (on this I am not very interested in the quality of the image). I watch concerts on LD, I need a good sound. First of all I'm interested in sound quality, analogue sound. Now I choose the LD player with the best analog sound. Just looking for a series of REFERENСЕ(ELITE).

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Wouldn't that be the Mcintosh MLD 7020
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The McIntosh is a re-badged CLD-97 with no improvements or Video or Audio so save money and get the CLD-97. If you are looking at analog Audio then you would still want the LD-S1, LD-S2, CLD-95 or CLD-97 as they have separate power supplies for the digital verses analog sections. They all have comparable analog Audio sound, the differences are in the digital audio. The S2, 95, 97 will all have a better picture than the S1. The S1 was very soft if you care about that.
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Wouldn't that be the Mcintosh MLD 7020

Mcintosh does not need ! Just want PIONEER!

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These models consider: LD-S2(X1),
CLD-95, CLD-97.

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The McIntosh is a re-badged CLD-97 with no improvements or Video or Audio so save money and get the CLD-97. If you are looking at analog Audio then you would still want the LD-S1, LD-S2, CLD-95 or CLD-97 as they have separate power supplies for the digital verses analog sections. They all have comparable analog Audio sound, the differences are in the digital audio. The S2, 95, 97 will all have a better picture than the S1. The S1 was very soft if you care about that.

Thank you for good reasonable advice!

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When you talk about wanting the analog signal, do you mean the DAC converted digital track of the LD, or the actual CX noise-reduced analog track?

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When you talk about wanting the analog signal, do you mean the DAC converted digital track of the LD, or the actual CX noise-reduced analog track?

I mean the DAC converted digital track of the LD.

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I mean the DAC converted digital track of the LD.

Since you are now talking about the DAC I now say look for the LD-S2 or CLD-95 for multi-bit DAc or CLD-97 for bit-stream. It's your call if you can hear the difference. I can definitely hear a different especially over a long listening period.
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Since you are now talking about the DAC I now say look for the LD-S2 or CLD-95 for multi-bit DAc or CLD-97 for bit-stream. It's your call if you can hear the difference. I can definitely hear a different especially over a long listening period.

There! Again, lost!: О So S1 - really bad? How S1 will be worse than others? I already want to buy S1. And the price is reasonable.

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There! Again, lost!: О So S1 - really bad? How S1 will be worse than others? I already want to buy S1. And the price is reasonable.

The S1 has a 16-bit DAC and back when they were not as stable with 0V crossover, never listened to this unit for Audio. It is still better than a bit-Stream in my opinion. My favorite is my Philips CDV-488 with it's 16 bit DAC chip set and I balanced the DAC DC offset output to 0V so the decoupling caps could be removed.
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The S1 has a 16-bit DAC and back when they were not as stable with 0V crossover, never listened to this unit for Audio. It is still better than a bit-Stream in my opinion. My favorite is my Philips CDV-488 with it's 16 bit DAC chip set and I balanced the DAC DC offset output to 0V so the decoupling caps could be removed.

Advise me please, which of the S2 (X1), 95, 97- would sound better?

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Advise me please, which of the S2 (X1), 95, 97- would sound better?

The CLD-97 has really good sound for the bit-stream players as it has the separate power supply for analog and digital sections and high quality decoupling capacitors. The multi-bit machines will have a little warmer sound but you have to have an audiophile system to hear the difference.

You are talking audiophile preferences here, no one can answer which you should buy as this area is a personal preference.

If the S1 is really cheap then you can buy it and give it a try. I have a LD-S2 with no side panels or remote and the bottom door does not stay completely closed. We could talk about that one. Email kbahr@comcast.net
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The CLD-97 has really good sound for the bit-stream players as it has the separate power supply for analog and digital sections and high quality decoupling capacitors. The multi-bit machines will have a little warmer sound but you have to have an audiophile system to hear the difference.

You are talking audiophile preferences here, no one can answer which you should buy as this area is a personal preference.

If the S1 is really cheap then you can buy it and give it a try. I have a LD-S2 with no side panels or remote and the bottom door does not stay completely closed. We could talk about that one. Email kbahr@comcast.net

OK! I try with S1. Thanks for the help.

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if you are fine with S1, might as well look for W1. W1 is based on S1 for audio and video playback but the loading mechanism is improved to house 2 LDs. It can auto-switch/reverse on 2 seperate LD discs. most of my CD Video titles are multidisc. this player means 4 hours of playback without getting up
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might as well look for W1... based on S1 for audio and video playback but... can auto-switch/reverse on 2 seperate LD discs

The LD-W1 also has sprocketed nylon belts on geared wheels, so they don't slip or stretch like puny rubber ones. It's a hefty machine! I've never put mine on a scale, but it's gotta be close to what my VP-1000 weighs.

The only real drawback is the extra length of the player keeps it from fitting a lot of media racks.

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