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post #121 of 952 Old 05-16-2011, 03:58 PM
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Sorry I missed this thread, should have put it here.
"Can the Pioneer DVD test disc be replaced by normal DVD disk or any method to create one using a DVD writer. My old DVD player DV-S969AVi needs calibration or head replacement. Will source for a GGF1381 test remote if it can be done. Thanks. Sure getting a new blu-ray disc player will be the final answer."
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Ok. So I had to send the cld-97 back to Kurtis to get the audio problem fixed. He fixed it and sent it back to me. I opened it up today and the drawer opens and closes but will NOT play LD's or CD's so it needs to be sent back again. Of the 5 LD players I purchased this last year, only my mint LD-W1 arrived in perfect working order. The only one that shipped in it's original box by the way.

Laserdisc is dead to me. It has been nothing but a money pit. Put a fork in it I'm done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Screw nostalgia and buy more blu-ray's.

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Despite being packaged great by Kurtis, the bastards at fedex denied the claim. So I spent around $800 for the player, mods and shipping but now am left with only a properly working remote control.

I wanted this player so bad and getting it in near like new condition with low hours was like a dream come true. I guess it was too good to be true in the end.

Buying or selling a LD player is a risky proposition. Unless it is shipped in the original box you are really taking a huge financial risk. Sure it can still get damaged but a shipping carrier is more likely to cover it if it's in the original box.

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I just setup my 704, and seems great. I noticed models like the 702 had a shipping screw to transport. Why is it that the 704 doesn't need it?

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I just setup my 704, and seems great. I noticed models like the 702 had a shipping screw to transport. Why is it that the 704 doesn't need it?

It does not mean what you think. It holds the turn mechanism to side A during shipment. Turn mech has it's own lock and the screw is just a second safety for shipment. Not really needed. The pickup is not free moving when off like the older machines that actually locked the pickup. 704 is a little different design and less need for it so it was removed.
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It does not mean what you think. It holds the turn mechanism to side A during shipment. Turn mech has it's own lock and the screw is just a second safety for shipment. Not really needed. The pickup is not free moving when off like the older machines that actually locked the pickup. 704 is a little different design and less need for it so it was removed.

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Despite being packaged great by Kurtis, the bastards at fedex denied the claim. So I spent around $800 for the player, mods and shipping but now am left with only a properly working remote control.

I wanted this player so bad and getting it in near like new condition with low hours was like a dream come true. I guess it was too good to be true in the end.

Buying or selling a LD player is a risky proposition. Unless it is shipped in the original box you are really taking a huge financial risk. Sure it can still get damaged but a shipping carrier is more likely to cover it if it's in the original box.

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If it was insured and properly packaged, I would challenge that decision as that is exactly what that insurance is for.


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This is a great thread. I have a pioneer 703 and I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get an ac3 mod kit?
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Just tweaked my x9 to perfection. Combined with THE csvi-1, crystalio II and marquee 9500 ultra. Looks great, looked Ã* squeeze and hivision yesterday and absolutely nothing wrong with Ã* 15 year old transfer!
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If it was insured and properly packaged, I would challenge that decision as that is exactly what that insurance is for.

It was denied as there is no outer box signs is miss-handling and it was packed properly. Just got it back and interested to see why the tray would not open.
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Kurtis,

The tray opens and closes. It tries to load but after a few seconds of just making funny noises it goes into stop mode. Please keep me updated so I can keep my options open.

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Just tweaked my x9 to perfection. Combined with THE csvi-1, crystalio II and marquee 9500 ultra. Looks great, looked Ã* squeeze and hivision yesterday and absolutely nothing wrong with Ã* 15 year old transfer!

Must be nice...


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Just tweaked my x9 to perfection. Combined with THE csvi-1, crystalio II and marquee 9500 ultra. Looks great, looked Ã* squeeze and hivision yesterday and absolutely nothing wrong with Ã* 15 year old transfer!

I just use the S-Video out of my X9 (in combination with an Algolith Flea). I couldn't stand the little white blocks that randomly appeared when using the CVSI-1 (not sure if it's on all models, but another user mentioned this problem). Plus doesn't the X9 do the Y/C filtering before recombine back to composite? Of the MUSE players, I thought only the BNC out of the X0 had direct composite.
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It was denied as there is no outer box signs is miss-handling and it was packed properly. Just got it back and interested to see why the tray would not open.
So strange...
Sorry to hear about all the shipping troubles!
Hopefully it can be repaired easily enough.


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I just use the S-Video out of my X9 (in combination with an Algolith Flea). I couldn't stand the little white blocks that randomly appeared when using the CVSI-1 (not sure if it's on all models, but another user mentioned this problem). Plus doesn't the X9 do the Y/C filtering before recombine back to composite? Of the MUSE players, I thought only the BNC out of the X0 had direct composite.

The composite on the X9 is a re-combine of the Y/C signals from my memory.

The BNC output on the X0 just like the LD-S2 still goes thru the digital time base corrector but it skips the on-screen character generator which is another digital step. I believe S-Video #2 also does this.
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the thread title mentions both DVD and LD,
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thanks for posting, I like how it matches my CLD-99. I might have to get one to match my Pioneer collection. They should bring back the side panels. The colored wood has a timeless look imo.



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PIONEER CLD-3030 COMPATIBLE LASERDISC PLAYER (1987/1988)

That's the cleanest 3000 series I have seen in a long time! The DV-09 as very sexy. What year did that come out?
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CLD-919 ?? (no its not a DVL)
Has anyone dealt with this model?
I have been talking with a guy who has one for sale.
It is an importated asiain model.
From my guess it is a CLD-95 with a silver case (instead of black)
and a Blue LCD (instead of orange).

Where does the CLD-95 rank compared to D703/D704/97/S2/79/99 ??

I am feeding my Reciever (Onkyo 3007/Reon VX) with composite.
Currently using a Sony MDP-V10 (1997era 50dB S/N)
How much of a picture Improvement can I expect?

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The CLD-95 is closest to the CLD-97. The magazine, "The Perfect Vision" did a test of high end players and the 95 was found to have a chroma time delay issue using the S-Video output. Pioneer then came up with the CLD-97. So the 95 depends on a low noise design like the 97 verses relying on DNR like the others. The 95 does have multi bit DAC's for digital Audio verses the bitstream in the 97.
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The CLD-95 is closest to the CLD-97. The magazine, "The Perfect Vision" did a test of high end players and the 95 was found to have a chroma time delay issue using the S-Video output. Pioneer then came up with the CLD-97. So the 95 depends on a low noise design like the 97 verses relying on DNR like the others. The 95 does have multi bit DAC's for digital Audio verses the bitstream in the 97.

Kurtis - hi, can you tell me a bit about my CLD-99? I recall there being a dispute over which provided better IQ, the Composite or the S-Video port on this particular model.

any info is much appreciated.


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Kurtis - hi, can you tell me a bit about my CLD-99? I recall there being a dispute over which provided better IQ, the Composite or the S-Video port on this particular model.

any info is much appreciated.
The composite is a simple mixing of the Y/C signals. With that said, the question is which works better with your monitor. Try both and use the one you like. Most of the time composite wins but not always. Not one answer for all, it is a test of the LD player/monitor interface.
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the 95 was found to have a chroma time delay issue using the S-Video output.

Kurtis - didn't Pioneer release a software update to correct this, after the update that corrected for the original 95's inability to read the TOC on newly-formatted discs? TPV covered this before its demise (Pearson's original effort).
There were three iterations of the 95, if memory serves me correctly.

It is/was an excellent player in its final form. You are correct - the audio section is arguably the best available for the US market (surpassed only by the wonderful implementation of the select 1702 DAC's in the X0 and X9).

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Kurtis - didn't Pioneer release a software update to correct this, after the update that corrected for the original 95's inability to read the TOC on newly-formatted discs? TPV covered this before its demise (Pearson's original effort).
There were three iterations of the 95, if memory serves me correctly.

It is/was an excellent player in its final form. You are correct - the audio section is arguably the best available for the US market (surpassed only by the wonderful implementation of the select 1702 DAC's in the X0 and X9).

I know of SW updates for the TOC correction but I never heard of the Y/C delay updates, I heard that was the reason for the 97.

Using the composite output from the 95 the picture is fine. I've always used the 97 as it is the 95 with fixes. I do know of others who use the 95 due to the multi-bit DAC's. If I want that I use my single sided Philips CDV-488 that when adjusted properly has a very good picture and the famous Philips 16 bit DAC set which I have modified to be even better.
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The CLD-95 is closest to the CLD-97. The magazine, "The Perfect Vision" did a test of high end players and the 95 was found to have a chroma time delay issue using the S-Video output. Pioneer then came up with the CLD-97. So the 95 depends on a low noise design like the 97 verses relying on DNR like the others. The 95 does have multi bit DAC's for digital Audio verses the bitstream in the 97.

Ok,
Don't want to get my expectations up. Lets see if I've absorbed everything from this thread.
To summerize:

1. When using modern/current video processing (Reon/ABT/etc.) Composite is Usually the best connection.

2. I can expect that CLD-95 will be very similar to a CLD-97 by composite as they are both low noise designs like the S2.

3. CLD-D703/D704/79/99 get their High S/N ratio by DNR, but when using modern processing it is recommended to reduce or turn off/bypass the DNR, thus lowering their S/N ratio.

4. For modern rankings when using modern/current video processing (Reon/ABT/etc.) video quality from good to best:
CLD-D703/D704/79/99 very good performance
CLD-95/97/S2 Better performance
HLD-X0/X9 -Best but Expensive

Is this correct ?

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Now that I have my 704, my Panasonic LX-600 needs a good home. I thought I would offer it to my friends at AVS. I live in the Minneapolis area, and don't want to hassle with shipping. If someone wants to pick it up, it's yours. It has no remote, but my Harmony controlled it fine.

The 600 was considered to be a good mid-range player and includes both side play. Comes from a smoke and pet free home. PM me if interested.

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Hi

I need help from experts to set up my Laserdisc System.
I own a Pioneer HLD X0 and an X9, for long now, and i would like to take advantage of the format in the "big" screen".

I was thinking on going to CRT Projector, like Marquee 9500LC Ultra or Cine 9, but now i am considering the JVC X9 or the Sony VPL-VW90.

Anyone can tell me if i will have a picture as good as in CRT if i use a good video processor like Lumagen or Crystalio II?

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Hi

I need help from experts to set up my Laserdisc System.
I own a Pioneer HLD X0 and an X9, for long now, and i would like to take advantage of the format in the "big" screen".

I was thinking on going to CRT Projector, like Marquee 9500LC Ultra or Cine 9, but now i am considering the JVC X9 or the Sony VPL-VW90.

Anyone can tell me if i will have a picture as good as in CRT if i use a good video processor like Lumagen or Crystalio II?

Tank you all

Ohh...I'm afraid you won't get a good pic out of those machines...better trade for my 704!

I could spend all day just looking at one of those players in my rack. Works of art!

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That's true....that's why i intend to keep them.
My doubt is the quality of "Digital" Projection these days...
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I have nothing but good to say about the picture quality obtainable with LCoS (SXRD) projection. Stay away from DLP (especially one-chip) & LCD (TFT), though. With a suitable scaler to render the video into the digital domain, you should be able to obtain picture quality at least as good as you could with CRT, more dependably & for a lot less work.


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It's good to hear the someone uses SRDX technology with Laserdisc...
I've read some comments on these Sony Projectors and the first ones had a problem that was related with the fast degradation of image and contrast... they used to last very few hours...

Is this problem corrected?
How many hours will it do at it's maximum performance?

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