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post #901 of 1839 Old 01-28-2003, 03:17 AM
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Luca,

No, upsampling is available through the digital output as well (as opposed to MP3 & SACD).

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Alex,

I only got the upsampling to work on Analogue.... I have a Pioneer AX10i amp and if it is getting a Digital signal, it cannot decode it.

Have you got it to work on digital? And did did you get it to work on 192 or 96 upsampling level?


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Alezp and foo66,


i have NAD t752 and upsampling works only on analogue.

Which is the truth ?

Another question:

if in the 963 menu set one of the two upsampling mode, with the audio button control remote i can only switch to normal listening and that upsampling mode and not the other upsampling mode. Is this correct ?

Thanks
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I have a NAD T760, and I can use the 96 kHz upsampling digitally. The 192 kHz will not produce any sound on digital though.

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Thanks fjollon,

tonight i'll prove the 96 Khz upsampling ( i don't remember if i ever tried it:rolleyes: ). but i'd like to ask you if, in your opinion, it's correct that the 192 Khz don't produce any sound.

And about my second question ?

Many thanks

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96kHz upsampling doesn't work with european Pioneer VSX-D2011 aka 45TX in US (or VSX-D1011 I don't remember since that was friend's amp). Other 96kHz sources worked fine, so I suspect that there is something wrong with stream that Philips produces.

luca1031:
Ability to accept 192kHz PCM is not so common feature.

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luca1031: The sound is most likely there, but my NAD just can't handle it.

The button on the remote can seemingly only change between upsampling on or off. You will have to enter the menu of the player to change it to 96 kHz if you are at 192 kHz.

Forza Milan! :)

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OK, this is 1 of the questions I've hidden in my 963sa review, but since I really want to clear things up, I'm posting it separately.
What is the color matrix output by this player: 1) HDTV or SDTV (as far as i know this is the 10b/8b per color difference), and 2) YPrPb or YCrCb - I can't understand how could they put "PrPb/CrCb" in the manual, it's like writing PAL/SECAM - completely different signal!

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Luca,

Both 192 and 96 kHz will work through digital if your receiver can understand it. My Sony 940 plays 96 smoothly.

Good luck!
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Wow. It's sounding more and more difficult to discover the true picture quality of this player with all the tweaks built-in. I thought players were supposed to conform to some standard, and you made changes in your display, not the output device. I guess it would be nice if you don't want to re-calibrate your display or if you're switching sources on the same input, but it sounds like it's a real pain in the a**. Maybe when some pro's check it out they can tell us what to set the player at to be more "standard" and let us go from there with our monitors.

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AlexP:

1) Since both 480p and 576p are SDTV, so player should use SDTV matrix.
2) YPrPb usually means "progressive component" and YCrCb "interlaced component" so it's fine (or correct me if I'm wrong). A little misunderstanding was with other, interlaced only models marked Cr/Pr, Cb/Pb.

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Alex,
5) No, the color settings don't affect the component out, just the Svideo(& scart on European models).

I can't help on your NEC related questions. However, I agree that the color coming out of the 963 shouldn't be as far off as it is.

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Hello!
i will perform a test on saturday using a denon player (with progressive output) to test again my 'ghost effects and vertical stripes on nec ht1000 (as you remember i have to switch off the progressive output on my dvd 963 sa, to avoid this problem). Ii will inform you of the results soon.
bye

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Luca- most receivers have 96khz DACs in them, and so won't decode 192khz pcm.

That's your problem.

For the info of others on this list, one receiver which has 192khz DACs is the Yamaha RX-Z1 (I have it and love it, and it sounds great with the 963SA outputting 192khz PCM).

Cheers- Bob
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Is it true that most of these color issues are related to projectors, not RPTV's? I have a Pioneer 65" RPTV and I plan to run the 963SA through Avia tonight. Not sure what to expect yet, but if I'm going to need to tweak the input a ton just because the player is off, that's not good -- Normally I am using the settings I get on the DVD input and using those same settings on all the set's inputs. Maybe I shouldn't do that this time if the 963SA's color is going to be so off!
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I don't seem to have any color issues with mine, and it's connected to a Mits. 55" RPTV. I had to adjust my TVs color/tint settings a bit, but that is normal Avia stuff.

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Does marantz sr8200, support 192khz? any body out there?thnx
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Well,got mine today.The cd sound is increadible and I doubt there is any cd player close to its price point that can touch it.SACD is also much better than the sony 775 I had been using,but thats not too surprising.As far as video-haven't done much more than accessing the menus,but it looked good enough that I stuck LOTR just to see.Outside of a blue tinge(I haven't calibrated anything yet)the picture is great=filmlike and almost 3D.Again,thats 1st impression-after reading some of the posts here I wasn't expecting much and was pleasantly surprised.Also.the decoders in the 963 are definately superior to my denon 3801's.I could tell that brfore I even got thru the credits.All in all.very pleased so far.

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I mentioned this in another thread, but I'm also gonna mention it here. I hooked this player up last night and even though 480i looked fine, the 480p image was UNWATCHABLE.

It looks to be an extremely noisy image. At best, there is what looks like white pixie dust all over the image, except for the white parts which are laden with black pixie dust.

Also, the gamma setting on the player changes this effect drastically. Going from 0 to +1 would change it slightly, then going to +2 would seem to create a negative of the image, much like a film negative.

The disc being played seems to make no difference, you see this effect even when the player is in stop mode. Changing the True Life setting doesn't help either, I've tried it on zero and well as several positive values.

For the record, this player is connected directly to a Hitachi 57UWX20B RPTV with a 4m (maybe too long?) Monster 2 component cable.
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Max,

From my experience of the player, I think your player is faulty. Better contact the service for repair or exchange.
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Max AD,

Sorry for not holding back - but did you try cleaning the pixie dust off your TV set?

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Most amps. can't take a digital signal @ 192Khz so fail to get a lock on the signal.

If you want to upsample and use Digital, 96Khz is the best that most amps. can handle via Digital.

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I'm planning to get a DVD player to use with the Panasonic AE300 LCD projector. The alternatives I'm looking at are The Philips SA963 and The Harman Kardon DVD-25. I get the impression that the SA963 is the better of the the two. Am I right? I plan to use component, and my dvds are 50/50 NTSC/PAL.

By the way, I've heard about a few people that chose to return the Philips SA963 because the progressive looked bad compared to regular interlaced output. Has anyone with european models experienced this?
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Mad arab,

If you have a chance, do yourself a huge favor and see it be4 u buy it!!! You'll thank me later. I'm currently having tremendous difficulties setting up a proper color on my projector hooked up to 963SA. Apparantely nobody is able to help out, neither on this nor on the Projector forum. At the moment HTPC output looks twice better than 963SA component.

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Many thanks guys for the answers

So with my Nad T752, with the 192 Khz the speaker produce any sound but with 96 Khz i hear music with a big rustling noise. Why ? It'd be more normal that there is any sound, or no ?
What can you tell me about ?

Another thing I hear random a toc noise at the beginning of the track, and if i start the track again the noise disappear.
Sometimes the song starts loosing a fraction of the second and doing as i said above, it works fine

Luca

P.S. fjollon, sorry, i live in Milan but i shout FORZA VICENZA :D
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Mad Arab,

I have my 963sa connected to an NEC lt240..... after changing some of the setting it seems to work much better. Overall I am happy with it, I have seen better pictures (Pioneer 737 progressive), but the ability to do PAL and NTSC progressive works fine for me, with only picture improvements. I have now tried fairly varied material.

In reading this forum it seems to me that there is some bad QA at Philips, the European model does not have these problems, or lastly they have made revisions in more recent machine to correct the problems.

The sound is great (SACD & CD), though I cannot get my AX10i (49txi) to accept 96khz or 192khz upsampling.....

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Wanted to ask whether the Philips 963sa would be able to play a DVD with MP3s on it. People have explicility stated it reads DVD-R and DVD-RW. Likewise they have said it reads MP3s on CDs. Just wanted to know if it would read MP3s on DVDs.

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Foo,

Sent you a PM already, but maybe other will also benefit from that. Can you share with us the PJ settings: Hue, Color, Contrast, Color Matrix and White Balance (RGB Brightness and Contrast).

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well i can say that the Phillips does a better job on my PLV-70 Sanyo than a pioneer 757Ai DVD player. the colors ar more natural and the blacks are better defined. i'd say excellent picture on the Philips..
i have the luck of being in the business so i compared dozens off players. this one is the best for me ( read: for my situation ) .

hooked up via component. cable used is a Monitor cable 30 feet long.


the audio is good , but that is not my main concern , so i didn't focus on that part. but is does a good job.

it reads dvd+rw and DVD+r perfect. no flaws yet.


some say that a HTPC is the way to go. i think so too , but this is damn near the quality of a good HTPC. ( i have had several ). for now i stay with the 963 until..............



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For those who are happy with the progressive output ... can you tell me what your picture settings are ? Thank you.

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