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All info on the upcoming DVD-2900 is now available on the DENON Website!!

Enjoy...and before anyone asks, the 2900 should be in stores Early May, if not sooner, I will keep you up to date on delivery.

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Looks promising :)

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DenonJeff,

Thanks for the news, I know there are lots of folks waiting for the release of the 2900.

I did go to the Denon website to look at the latest 2900 information. I was excited to see a link to the owner's manual - finally a chance to read about some of the 2900 details. The problem is that this link doesn't work. It is supposed to be a PDF file, but Acrobat immediately reports an error (File does not begin with '%PDF-'). I tried downloading the linked file and get a similar error. So it appears that the file is either corrupted or the link is not correct. Hopefully this can be corrected quickly and we can get a look at the 2900 manual.

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Jeff

Thanks for the catch. It is working now!

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I have been trying to decide on which DVD player to buy and have looked at the Pioneer Elite 45A (w/ the Outlaw ICBM for BM), Yamaha S2300, Yamaha C920, Denon 1600, and others. I can't tell you how many times I've gone from one to another for various reasons, but I think the Denon 2900 is my answer. It has everything I need/want. Now all I have to do is save up some $$ and wait for the release date.

Thanks Jeff for the news and please let us know the official release date when you have that information.
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Did they resolve the 3800's chroma delay issues?
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MaxAD,

After our meeting with Stacey at CES, and reviewing the Shootout results, our engineer went back to Japan, with the intent on designing units that pass every test Stacey could throw at it. Will have to wait and see what the results are on the 2900 as Stacey will be receiving one very shortly to test...

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Cool. So, while I'm awaiting this player, I'll also wait for his results.

BTW, Jeff, we really appreciate your feedback and I think Philips, Sony, et al have a lot to learn from what you're doing.
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DenonJeff, will this player scale non-anamorphic DVDs (like the Panny RP91)?

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Brajesh,

Will look into it...

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why no DVI output?
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kehn,

At this moment the DVD Forum has not given its blessing to DVI, so we cannot implement it.

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After our meeting with Stacey at CES, and reviewing the Shootout results, our engineer went back to Japan, with the intent on designing units that pass every test Stacey could throw at it. Will have to wait and see what the results are on the 2900 as Stacey will be receiving one very shortly to test...
DenonJeff,

Will there be a firmware update for current 3800 owners on the chroma delay?

thanks.
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nakenergy,

I know of no update for the chroma delay Stacey reported for the 3800, however I will ask if its a possibility.

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It looks great, and does just about everything, just may be the best Denon yet!!

I called Denon last week asking about the 2900, and the customer service rep. stated to me several times........that it was built from the ground up, and that it has no chroma bug......and that Denon ie very excited about this product......I dont' think that they are alone on that one!

I hope my loacal Tweeter etc gets it so i can audition it. :)
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Hello DenonJeff ,

Glad to see you back on the Forum . I too am very anxious about the 2900 release and was wondering if Denon might consider a Factory installed upgrade for this unit to add DVI once the DVD Formum has given its blessing ?

I'm sure that the 3800 replacement will have it by the Fall , but I'm wondering if early adopters of this unit will be able to upgrade ?

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So I'm wondering if this will be in my price range? What kinda range is expected?

I see the Panny rp91 for $400 and would rather have dual SACD and DVD-A but if it's around $1k then maybe not.

I assume I'll still want another source for red book CD playback like the Rega Planet or even better an external DAC?
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I've heard several times.....around $1000.00 being the mentioned price.
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Jeff,

Thanks for all the information. Although I just got a '3800 the other day (love it!), I am intrigued by the '2900. It looks like a winner.


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From what I have read, the '2900 will sell for $1000.
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Here are some thoughts that I have concerning this unit compared with the Yamaha 2300;

1) It seems that the 2900 has the same video processing chip that the 3800 has. There have been some shootouts done with the 3800 vs the 2300, with the 2300 coming out the overall winner.

2) This unit, like the 3800 has the SI504 chip. Why do some Denon models implement this chip set, as opposed to other models that use Faroudja FLI2200 chip sets? Any advantage of one technology over the other?

3) It appears that the SACD capbilities require a separate setup procedures for DVD-Audi, just like the 2300.

4) Here's the BIG question - Given the numerous firmware problems chronicled in this forum with the 3800, what should convince me that the 2900 will not have similar issues? I remember how interested folks were when the 3800 first came. That enthusiasm quickly faded when the problems started showing up. This is WAAAY too much money to spend on a product that is not 100% solid from the start, not months later.
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that was my guess.

If I could feel comfortable with it as both red book CD as well as the obvious features (video and high rez audio) then it would be tempting..

Rega Planet $350
Panny rp91 $400

Do you think the 2900 would play better 2-channel audio than the Rega and have equal or better picture than the rp91? If yes then I might get it.
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I'll buy a UNIVERSAL player with Farodja, scaling, no chroma bug, dvd audi, sacd bass management, pal prog capable, region free hackable, good builtquality, capable of doing pal to ntsc conversion, excellent de interlacer..for about $1000, otherwise, I am happy with my 47ai, philips 963Sa..peace
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Hoots, fair question. I would be surprised if the redbook CD quality of the '2900 matches that of a quality dedicated CD player at a similar price point. DVD players usually don't stack up well with CDs. On the other hand, the picture quality of the '2900 may very well outdo the 'RP91. The '2900 uses newer technology, and it looks like Denon has focused on the video section.

One more thing. Remember that the '2900 offers SACD, which of course, the Rega Planet/Panasonic 'RP91 combo lacks. That should not be overlooked.
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Thanks....I guess that's why I haven't figured out my optical media strategy.

I know my older Toshiba needs to be replaced for both video and audio reasons. The audio section can be skull piercing. The video isn't great either on a digital monitor.

I probably can live w/o any high rez audio so part of me just says buy a strong video machine and a dedicated CD player. Then I think that the video alone might be worth the extra price and those infrequent high rez moments could be a bonus.

If this was the only component I was interested in then I'd be less price sensitive but I don't have an HDTV tuner either and I still need to get a nice hifi 2-channel pre-amp, etc.

My first DVD player was $700 and it's worth under $50 now. These new technologies for $1k are consumables where a nice used $1k pre-amp or amp tends to hold value better.

As you can see I"m all over the map and not sure where to go next.

I guess I'll wait to see how the unit compares to others... This seems to be the year of multi-format $1k players.
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Jeff Talmadge,

The 2900 has been offered in other countries already. Will Denon and others ever offer products in a color other than black?? Would be nice.

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The even sadder part is that Denon offers BOTH black AND gold in Japan! Maybe we need to start an "Americans are tired of black components" campaign?

Jeff, why can't Denon test the waters with a release of maybe 10 - 15% gold players and see how they sell? I'm willing to bet they'll be a lot of "Sorry, we're out of the gold ones." replies coming from Denon dealers in the US.

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It seems that the 2900 has the same video processing chip that the 3800 has. There have been some shootouts done with the 3800 vs the 2300, with the 2300 coming out the overall winner
In the most important shootout (secrets) the 3800 edged out the yamaha 2300.
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Quoting Briandx:
1) 'It seems that the 2900 has the same video processing chip that the 3800 has. There have been some shootouts done with the 3800 vs the 2300, with the 2300 coming out the overall winner".

2) "This unit, like the 3800 has the SI504 chip. Why do some Denon models implement this chip set, as opposed to other models that use Faroudja FLI2200 chip sets? Any advantage of one technology over the other?

4) "Here's the BIG question - Given the numerous firmware problems chronicled in this forum with the 3800, what should convince me that the 2900 will not have similar issues? I remember how interested folks were when the 3800 first came. That enthusiasm quickly faded when the problems started showing up. This is WAAAY too much money to spend on a product that is not 100% solid from the start, not months later"

I was wondering exactly the same things. I say what is the point of making a DVD player that sells for more than $700 that can't better the DVD playback of an under $300 Panasonic player, DVD-A/SACD or no, if the video isn't the shiznay, we ain't gonna buy, and I bet few others will.

I'm rooting for this Denon to beat the Yamaha 2300, so I'll keep my fingers crossed until I hear what Stacey and the Secrets crew have to say.

Jeff, please don't feel that we're getting heavy with you. The 2900 seems like it may be what people want, a chroma bug free, sharp as an RP82, SACD/DVD-A DVD player under $1000, so the answers to these questions are important.

I have happily owned many Denon products (still have the MD-1000) but I too must say that the gold lettering on black design is SOOOOOO.... TIRED. PLEASE, get them to look at other designs and take a hint, a makeover is long overdue. Don't be nostalgic for that knockoff of a Nakamichi look. If I remember correctly, when Denon's first products hit the stores they were in an elegant matte gray case, which looked a lot classier to my eyes. Many of us have silver components, and it would be wonderful to have a choice. Even a hundred dollars extra would be worth it for maintaining style consistency to me.
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nakenergy:

With all due respect I don't think you fully understand the results of the Secrets shootout. Their tests do not indicate overall video quality as far as the end user is concerned. What they DO indicate is how well the player handles a variety of video material, and other technical aspects of the players. Important, to say the least, but not the point I was trying to make.

The best way to interpret the shootout is that the Denon 3800 and the Yamaha 2300 BOTH won (Scores > 80). However, in actual user's homes, the Yamaha won on overall picture quality. To me, actual user comments drive my purchasing decisions, not whether a DVD player got 2-3 more points in the Secrets Shootout.

Now if the 2300 had gotten a poor score in the Secrets shootout (Say <70) with other negative comments, I wouldn't have bought the 2300. In fact, I was all ready to buy the Onkyo universal player until I saw the poor test scores for this player.
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