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post #91 of 661 Old 07-26-2003, 04:37 AM
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For a $179 player, it's great. Go get an Outlaw ICBM to address bass management. You won't be sorry.
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I've got the 563A connected to my AVM20, and for a cheap universal, I am thrilled with the performance. NO lack of bass whatsoever, and a lot of DVD soundtracks sound better than on my older Panny player. There really seems to be more detail in the sound for movies that I am intimately familiar with.

SACD and DVD-Audio sound pretty good, but not as good as some higher-end models I've borrowed. I didn't expect the performance of an XA777ES at $180!

The picture on my old 35" RCA is excellent. I'm hoping it works great on my Samsung 567W when I get it, but that may be awhile.

All in all, for a player that costs this little and plays SACD, DVD-A and DVDs, I don't think it can be beat. This will be my player until it breaks. Then I'll get what ever the newest, greatest DVI-equipped, 1080i universal is!

Very happy with this unit.
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Just to make sure nobody misunderstands me, I'm not "putting down"
the 563a. Like I said earlier, I think it's great that a universal player
is now so affordable. More people will be able to buy them creating
a bigger demand for DVD-A and SACD which will hopefully cause
more titles to be released. Nobody loses! DVD-A and SACD (especially
DSD recorded material) can be a very big - and welcome - improvement
over CD audio.

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Will it do DTS 24/96 multichannel ?
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Chaz.ca,

No. No player does this format internally. You have to have a receiver or pre-amp with that feature on-board, and send the DTS bitstream to the decoder via the player's digital audio output.

Besides, if you have DVD-Audio or SACD software you would have no need of that format anyway. That is unless the studios start putting out DVD movies using DTS 96/24.

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For a $179 player, it's great. Go get an Outlaw ICBM to address bass management. You won't be sorry.

For more demanding audience..agree!! way to go..still, wont break the bank..i wont like to do, for >1000 player..
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Here the inside of my new 563A for you curious/tweakers out there. No comments on sound/picture quality as yet. I'm the sort of person who has to open one up first.
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Any comments? on what u see inside!
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What is this rumor I hear about SACD II? If this is real information, then wouldn't this throw a possible monkey wrench into current SACD-only and universal players?

The guts look like any other cheapo, $100 and under player on the market. They didn't even shield the A/V circuitry from the power supply board and transformer.

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I'm not bashing this player. At this price point, it brought me into high resolution audio and hopefully many others. Dvd-a sounds amazing any way you slice it. I just need to find a store that carries more music titles! I can only find maybe 5 to 7 titles that I would buy. I don't understand why the record companies are not pushing these formats more. Especially since they are crying about downloaded music. I would think the record companies would be pushing these like theres no tomorrow since they can't be copied. I think they should release every SACD in a hybrid format to push the transition. By the way, my Pink Floyd hybrid didn't play in my car CD player!

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My Pink Floyd hybrid played fine in my 98 4Runner. What year is your car??
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relder, thank you for the photograph, it's great. It's amazing how integrated DVD players have become - even with the 563A's inclusion of DVD-Audio & SACD!
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I certainly see enough room for a 5 disc tray in that picture

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my Pink Floyd SACD didn't play in my 95 Olds. Oh-well.

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Uh ohh out comes the 'S' model

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Originally posted by Woodsea
Uh ohh out comes the 'S' model

Which may mean nothing more than just a cheaper way for them to make them.
There is nothing there, that's says it will be a better way, only that it will be a easier/cheaper way to build them.

"SACD is a key feature for multichannel audio in DVD players, and Philips' SAA7893HL chip is the ideal semiconductor solution to seamlessly and cost-effectively add SACD capabilities to DVD devices."
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Originally posted by Woodsea
Uh ohh out comes the 'S' model

It appears the S model is the is the standard model. My box has an S on it and the back of the unit does too, though the front omits the S. It also has that Phillips chip the article mentions (SAA7893HL), so I think there's just one model (In the U.S. anyway.)

BTW, it also has one Burr Brown DSD1791 and two DSD1702EG DACs. According to the chip specs they can take both DSD and PCM. So I'm guessing rumors that the 563A converts DSD to PCM are false (excepts perhaps for bass management.) One of these days when I begin to void the warranty I'll put it on a scope and see if indeed data is coming in the DSDL and DSDR pins. I can't imagine Pioneer not using the DSD capability of these chips.

So far the player is a definate improvement from my previous one which may not be saying much since my old player didn't have component output much less progressive, and it also couldn't do DTS (it's an old 1st generation DVD/LD player.) Those two features alone make it quite an improvement. Will play with SACD and DVD-A soon.

One annoyance I discovered is that the JPEG mode assumes a 4:3 TV. On a widescreen everyone looks fat.
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The "S" designation means it's silver in color. "K" would be black.



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Uh ohh out comes the 'S' model

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RE: the Philips chipset used, this document (http://www.semiconductors.philips.co...7893HL_C2.html) at the Philips site, particularly the diagram at the bottom, seems to suggest that BM must be done in DSD domain, not PCM, although it does come w/ a converter that looks to be aimed at allowing player makers to cut corners and output to PCM-only DACs. If the player has DSD DACs, then there should be no reason why it would do any DSD->PCM conversion at all. OTOH, this doesn't mean that BM (and other channel management processing) will be perfect.

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Just an FYI that I had a similar problem to one already mentioned... I was playing my Pink Floyd DSOTM disc and tried to open the tray... and the 563 froze w/ OPEN showing on the display. The only way to correct the issue was to unplug the player.
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could someone tell me what "cue" is. It seem to be an important topic in this forum.
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OK guys, I need some help with my new 563A.

I hooked everything up to my Elite VSX-49 and all played fine. I bought 1 each DVD-Audio and a SACD to try. Both initally played fine but now I can't get any audio at all from the SACD!!!

I have everything hooked up so I'm at a loss as to what changed. I mean I have the digital co-ax, the standard audio left and right and also the 5.1 connectors. I've been over the settings dozens of times and can't figure out what's wrong.

Any thoughts?

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Lee,

If you're definitely choosing the correct source (2 channel input, if it's a two channel SACD) on your receiver, then I can't say what might be wrong.

If both your SACD and DVD-audio discs are multi-channel, and you have the multi-channel input selected as the input to your receiver, then you go into the menu of the DVD player and change SACD to read 2 channel, that may prevent any output from the multi-channel outs on the DVD player.

Do you have both stereo out an multi-channel outputs from the DVD player connected to your receiver??

Edit: Well, I just selected SACD to play the 2 channel track and it outputs on both the stereo and multi-channel outputs of the DVD player, so scratch that theory!

I'm not sure now what it could be.
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Well I don't own a 563, but maybe it is a bug of some type. Have you tried unplugging the machine for a few minutes then plugging it back in? That should reset the machine.
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I guess I'll have to chalk this one up to "The learning curve."

All I needed to do was change the input on the receiver to 5.1 input and it works great. Silly me...I thought I'd get audio from everything by just pressing play.

Thanks for the help guys.

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Lee,

Glad it was nothing more than that! Enjoy your music, and get Eric Clapton's DVD-Audio Riding with the King if you like Clapton's and B.B. King's style!

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What do you guys have your speakers/sub settings at? I have small satellite speakers & a sub, so mine's set at speakers "small" & sub "on". I haven't figured out if that's best yet. With Bowie's "Heathen" SACD, I get great bass; with 3 Doors Down's "Away from the Sun" SACD, I hardly get any bass. Maybe it's the recording themselves to some degree?

With DVD-A, when I first reviewed the 563A, I found it lacked the 'oomph' my previous Panny RP91 & CP72 did. I now think it wasn't really the sound quality that was lacking, but maybe bass. Need to figure out the best settings to get proper bass directed to the sub.

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Brajesh,
The "mixes" of any DVD-A/SACD can vary. It's hard to compare two
different titles. I was just listening to "Heathen" last night. It
is a "in your face" mix. Very "loud", and Tony Visconti makes use
of all channels. I can see why you might get more bass from it.

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Heathen has most of the bass in the .1 channel. As such, a normal "small sats + sub" set up will sound fine. In fact, Heathen is quite bass heavy, putting aside where the bass is mixed.

However, if there are BM problems in a player, a disc with a lot of the bass in the main channels and little in the .1 (the DVD-A of Hotel California, title track, for example) will sound very weak.

FTR, HC has great bass and kick drum on the title cut. If you are not hearing that, something ain't right.

Based on Brajesh's experience, as well as a few other reports, there seems to be something not quite right with the BM in the 563.

I don't have one, but recommended it to a friend, and she bought it. If this thing lacks BM on SACD and DVD-A, that is going to suck.

Someone with some additional software (Chesky stuff mixed in 4.0 for example) is going to need to do some more scientific testing to understand what this thing does, and what it does not do.

Needing a $250 ICBM for a $178 player is NOT going to go over well. Cripes, I was pissed to have to do it for my $480 (at the time) 45A.

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I guess I need some clarification before I make a move:

Does the 563A with speakers set to LARGE and subwoofer output ON, send out via the 5.1 analog outputs whatever is on the SACD and DVD-Audio discs with no alterations?

That's all I need to know as I will be doing analog bass management elsewhere.

I know the 563A is not perfect when it comes to progressive scan, but right now I'll only be able to use the interlaced mode anyway.

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