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Martin butler. Good question.

I did sent that question to Anthem because of my AVM20. The SF tech did gave me that advice at the same time concerning my amps...

But I will check with my amp makers...

BTW on a side note.

The 5900 is resuming a film exactly where it was when you press OFF in the middle of a film, and then pressing ON later on... I remember someone did ask that question in this thread before... I did try it yesterday....

Better late then never. :D
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From the IFA link posted on page 9

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The dial-up users are going to have a fit with these......

Is that exactly the same as the 5900?

Hear me now, Listen to me later....
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HOLY COW!!! Thanks Thedjstott! Wow...smell those electronics...wait that's smoke coming from my DSL modem. ;)

Tom, please compare the top picture to those of the 5900 on the Denon website. The front panel looks to have an AL24 Processing Plus logo as well as 3 LEDs and 3 logos below that, just as the 5900. I have also included a link to the .pdf file brochure of the 5900 from Denon USA website. Please read the section on "Multi-Layer Construction" and compare with the above pictures. Short of a biopsy from my hospital's Path Department, I'm not sure what else I can do to help.

Denon DVD-5900 New Model Information pdf file

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Yeah pretty slow on dial-up...

I tried WD-40 but it didn't help...:D

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I think I'll right click and save one of the pictures as my desktop background!

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I think the change in filters may be affecting overtones within the 20k range, hence the tonal change. I'll try and reach a friend who'll know the answer to this.
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Beav/John B.,

Wow, is that ad on Audiogon true? Are you really selling your Consonance and keeping the 5900 as your stand-alone Universal player? If so, this is impressive indeed. BTW, has anyone noticed how many 2900's recently showed up on the market? I wonder why. I can't wait until tomorrow! :D

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Beav...

With you selling your Consonance and all, I can see that I was not exagerating that much in my first post in this thread... no? ;)

We can say all we want and give our opinion all we want, but I think Beav just made the strongest statement about the quality and performance of the 5900 by selling is Consonance player. :D
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ON the 100khz SACD settting, is it strictly an amplifier question or preamp as well? I've already contacted sherbourn and am awaiting a response back but wonder if I need to engage Arcam as well.

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Regardless of the theoretical frequency range of a DSD signal encoded on an SACD, every player I've every seen measured has a built-in roll-off starting well before 50khz to reduce noise caused by the DSD encoding process. I have no reason to believe the 5900 is any different. I think there is too much unneeded concern regarding this "problem".
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Isnt the fact that there is a selectable option of 50khz and 100khz reason enough? That coupled with percieved sound improvement by 5900 owners has me sold...No offense Sam , but I dont think its fair to minimize this if there is a risk (preceived or otherwise) of damaging electronics.

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Concerning the Home Theater Company in Sacramento:
I noticed that somebody called them about Denon dvd 5900 and HTC refused to lower their price.

Try to talk specifically to Sam there to negotiate the price.
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John,

It seems that the concern here came from an Anthem rep stating that the player should not send those higher signals to the amp. I use an Anthem amp with and SACD player with no worries. I just want to see one player that actually has any response above 50Khz, regardless of if it causes damage to any upstream components. I realize that Denon claims their filter will affect a signal, but has there been any measurements to determine that the selectable option does in fact do anything? Has there been any commercial SACD release with measured response in this region? Has there been any reports of actual equipment damaged for these reasons? A lot of speculation here.....certainly there are more damaging things that could be affecting your sound or equipment (A/C voltage for example).
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Sam, I am in the camp that we (the human race) don't yet have the ability to measure everything we currently hear. As per Beav:

"However, when I switched the frequency filter from 50khz to 100khz, there was a very potent change to the level of detail and transparency of the music."

So whether or not the response is actually above 50khz is clearly up for debate but its clear to Beav that SOMETHING is happening when the filter is upped to 100khz.

While there are no reports of actual equipment damage, I thought one of the purposes of forums like this was to AVOID equipment damage. :D

I would just hate to see someone fry their amp (those things are heavy to ship for repair!) simply becuase you claim no SACD has been measured over 50 khz yet. I'd rather have everyone play it safe and contact their equipment manufacturer.

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Well,
I took the plunge today. I picked up the 5900 from The Home Theater Company (thanks Sam) in Sacramento today. I'll post my feedback once I get a chance to play with it a little. Sam gave me a good deal on the unit. The 2900 goes up for sale as soon as I get a chance to list it.

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OK- here is a new question for all the lucky 5900 owners out there. I am a little confused by the windows media logo on the back of the unit- does this mean that the unit will play windows media disks? As in- the terminator 2 extreme editition high rez 720p version? If it is true that the player upconverts a regualr dvd to 720p or 1080i, does it play the special "computer only" version through this player? I hope I don't sound like an idiot, but I don't own the player and these thoughts crossed my mind.
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iansilv,
The Windows Media Logo is for Audio Files only...not video.

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I am thoroughly confused! If I buy the 5900 from a store, can I use the DVI output right away? Or does this need to be turned on for some wierd reason?
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It needs to be turned on with a CD that will be out any day now. When the first units were made, the DVI output wasn't approved by the DVD consortium. It has since been approved and can be activated with the disk. It is supposed to be a very quick and simple process.

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A few quick observations about the 5900 in my system that may help other new owners. I may be repeating things that others have already noted.

First, my unit is very quiet. Anyone with a noisy unit should exchange it.

Next, it seems that the color saturation on the 5900 is hotter than other DVD players I've seen. You probably want to try dropping the color level a few clicks in the memory presets.

Make sure you go to "Set" and drop the IRE level to 0 from the default 7.5 so you can pass blacker than black. It cleans up the picture more.

Using the +10 db subwoofer setting is mandatory as far as I can tell, to get balanced output from the sub.

"All Off" on Pure Direct doesn't turn off the 5900 display. This is contrary to the operation of other Denon DVD players such as the 2900. However, there is a dimmer that can be used. By the way, why doesn't Denon put the Pure Direct control options on the remote? It drives me nuts having to run up to the player constantly and switch modes, using the not entirely ergonomic dual controls on the front.

Do adjust the chroma delay in the 5900 using the Avia test slide.

Can't wait to see what the DVI output looks like. Let's hope that's soon.

After having spent more time with the unit, I can confirm my initial impression that the video really is extraordinary. The level of detail and clarity lends a 3-dimensional effect to DVD's (at least good ones) that rivals HDTV signals.

The audio is exemplary as well. Its strongest point is dynamics, compared with other players. Its next strength is an involving surround effect due in great part to its ability to resolve extremley low level information. The harmonic structure is very neutral and smooth, lending a musical (but not warm) result.

I haven't had a chance to make comparisons to my own modded Philips 963SA, but I'll get to that soon and post some thoughts.

In short, Denon has done a wonderful job on this player. I haven't found a fault yet.

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Once the DVI capability is turned on, does anyone know if there will be more options available via DVI other than 1080i and 720p? I'm speaking of fixed resolutions here. I noticed that the Momitsu offers some of this for common resolutions.
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For those folks posting that the audio is fantastic, are you referring to SACD, DVD-A, DTS, or analog CD?

For me I am 90% using a DVD player to play DVD's, so I am only really interested in DTS, DD playback. Not to say that I won't add some SACD or DVD-A titles down the road...

So.... how is DTS or DD audio?

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Les H,

Did you modify your 963 yourself? Or did any of the available modders (Asi? VSE? Audiocom?). I have a new stock 963. It sounds quite good on SACD, but CD is definitely not in the level I want it. I see 2 options: modify it or sell it and get a 5900. The first options seems certainly the cheaper. I am extremely interested in the results of your comparisons!

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Will the 5900 serve as a CD and dvd transport like the 963SA? I might want to use it with my big stereo rig if it can pass the cd and dvd video audio signal out unsampled at 16/44. The other unit I am considering for this purpose is the Marantz 8400.For my HT where I am more concerned with videothe 5900 appears to be an ideal unit.
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Answers to questions:

When I say the audio is excellent I'm referring to SACD, DVD-A, and CD. I'll have more to say when I'm compare more closely with some reference equipment I use.

Yes, I modded the 963SA myself. $330 parts cost and a day or so of my time. Well worth it (including Superclock II).

Yes, the 5900 can serve as a universal player for all audio formats currently available. Walt, yes it will output a digital bitstream for CD and DVD. SACD and DVD-A are not output via the S/PDIF digital out - however, there is a firewire link that should work with compatible units. For video I don't think it can be surpassed at present. For audio it's highly competitive with expensive standalone players. I'll have more comments on audio when I compare in my dedicated 2 channel system (I've been too excited looking at DVD's in the home theater to switch).

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Haven't read this entire thread but...

I got my 5900 at Tweeter (in New Hampshire) last Friday night.

Spent most of the weekend trying to get a digital output - any digital output - to work. Eventually discovered that to enable the Denon Digital Link (did I mention that it's plugged into a 5803?), you have to enter Setup with NO DISC in the player. If there's a disc in the player, the Denon Link item is greyed out and non-selectable in the Setup menu. And apparently, if you have a cable plugged into the Denon Link jack, it disables the regular optical/coax digital outputs - or at least that's what it appeared to be doing.

Crap. That one had me stumped for days.

After recovering from that slight case of cranial-rectal inversion, I've been quite pleased with the player.

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Toots,

As good as the 5900 player is, the manual for it sucks. The manual should have explained how to activate the link. That's one of many omissions and inaccuracies. It's Denon's, not your, "cranial-rectal inversion," as you put it.

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Just ordered one...
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Les...

What is a "Superclock" please?

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