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post #1 of 4956 Old 11-20-2003, 06:56 PM - Thread Starter
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I will recap here what was in this thread so that it is not buried.

The Zenith DVB318 will be a 1080i/720p DVD player with DVI out. It will not play DVD-A or SACD. I tried to find out pricing and availability info, but none was available at this time.

Note that the DVB318 was first announced at CES (2003) as a DVD-A/SACD capable DVD player. It was then reannounced at CEDIA as an HD DVD player, at which time the info currently on Zenith's website was put online. It was removed after a little while and was just recently put back online (a good sign it is nearing product shipment). It has not, however, been updated to include full details of the unit.

Someone provided info in this thread about the LG DV-7832 HD DVD player that will be sold in Canada. It should be essentially the same product as the DVB318.

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The owner's manual can now be downloaded. Go to http://us.lgservice.com/ and click on Owner's Manuals. Search by model under the DVD Players category.

Replace http://us with http://ca for the Canadian version.

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hmm, no mention of dvi out on their website.
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hmm, no mention of dvi out on their website.

If you look at the owners PDF guide it clearly shows the DVI port .
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Thanks Robert :D

I have been looking everywhere like crazy, to find info about that player, now with the manual, it is a prety good start.

Now we just have to wait until someone gets it, and give us is impression...I hope it turn out to be a good unit.

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According to an LG CRP, probable release is 1stQ 2004 with a price of $200 to $300. However, the CRP I spoke with was not sure, and w/the Canada release, I wouldn't be surprised if it were sooner.

Info on deinterlacer, scaler, and MPEG decoder in unit not available although it will apparently be the same as in the LG LST-3510A combo HDTV Rec'r/DVD player w/DVI HCDP out.
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I read the Owners manual for the DVB318 and it looks suspiciously like the Samsung HD931. The menu system and OSD are nearly the same, and the remote preserves the Samsung's quirk of having chap skip and scan be the same buttons. It has the 3D sound option of the Samsung and similar features.
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The only thing I relly care about is, if it use the DVI video standard (like the GWIII) and not the PC standard (like the 931).

I see also a lot of similarity with the 931, I hope it is not the case for the DVI standard.

On the other hand there is a lot of additional features and differences, like a jug on the remote, so skip & scan on same button not an issue :). And the best part is this statement from the manual "Some HD Monitors designed for PC applications using DVI-D may not work with this connection", so it looks like it use the video standard :D

Finaly, I hope you are wrong about the ATA of 2004, and that my dealer is right about end of month ;)

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The reason why the DVB318 will not work with some (if not all) HD PC monitors is that they are not HDCP compliant. Why would they be? They're for computers.

As far as the DVI Video Standard vs. PC Standard goes, just as the PC Standard Samsung 931 displays on DVI Video Standard displays, a DVI Video Standard DVD player would display on a PC Standard display (ignoring the HDCP issue).

Unfortunately, if Samsung is OEMing the Zenith DVB318 based on the HD931, it is unlikely that anything other than the feature package and case were changed, and it, too, will be PC Standard based.

I sincerely hope I am wrong.

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Calling this a hd dvd player is wrong. IT IS NOT HD DVD.There are no hd dvd players that are ture hd.
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Unfortunately, if Samsung is OEMing the Zenith DVB318 based on the HD931, it is unlikely that anything other than the feature package and case were changed, and it, too, will be PC Standard based.

I sincerely hope I am wrong.

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I see no reason to think that the Zenith is being OEMed by Samsung. The remote shown in the Zenith manual is exactly the same remote used for the Zenith DVB317. The menus look nothing alike, and (most importantly), the jack pack layout is completely different. That would require a redesign of the PCBs. Samsung (LGs Korean competitor) is probably the last company they would ever OEM something from. Zenith has been making DVD players for years, and has been incorporating DVI/HDCP in some products for over a year, so designing something like this should not be too hard for them.

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While we wait for the unit to show up, anyone would like to speculate on quality of:
- Build
- Loader
- Image (through DVI)
- Sound

To tell you the truth, I am bit concern about Zenith/LG product, especialy Zenith.

Generally disappointed with the state of HD, started with the late arrival/poor quality of broadcast, followed by the HDMI/HDCP fiasco, and still sustain by the late & poor entry of media/players.
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Is this really an HD player or is it a SCALING player that converts normal DVDs to 720p? The only HD players I have heard of on the horizon are the ones that will play WM9 HD content.
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So are they shipping yet?
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That is until Blue ray DVDs come out...
Yes, I wouldn't call this HD-DVD just yet.. There is only one on the market right now, sold in Japan, VERY expensive... and no media that I know of available..

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Calling this a hd dvd player is wrong. IT IS NOT HD DVD.There are no hd dvd players that are ture hd.
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My dealer just told me that they have been delay 2 weeks, so mid December :(

Let hope that the final delivery date...

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still no info on this player?
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must be better option than LG
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Look at the thread on the LG DVI player as it appears to be the same as the DVB318, except for Canada. At CES, the DVB318 was displayed w/a card saying it used Faroudja, with a proj. release date of 1stQ04.

Since the Can. version is out, I would think the DVB318 should be out shortly. It may be delayed as LG is working on a software fix for some problems w/the Can. version and DVI.

Except for the problems, from the info in the thread, it sounds like an excellent choice for those who want DVI and scaling, but don't care about DVD-A and SACD.
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I just read through the owners manual pdf file for the DVB318 and it states that 480i isnt available with the component outs (page 10). Since I see no scaling capabilities for non-anamorphic discs listed (like the panny RP91), I am assuming that if we have a TV that locks in full mode when a progressive signal is recieved that we would have to switch to S-Video if we want to be able to view non-anamorphic discs and 4:3 material correctly? If so that rules this player out for me. Don't these companies know that scaling like the RP91 is in demand?
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Does anyone have any info on the quality of the component and DVI outputs? The quality of the MPEG decoder (no chrome bug)?
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This thing is supposedly released according to LG; anyone find one of these yet?
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check with zenith usa
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I looked at this unit on the zenith page and it indicated only component out--can you direct me to any site showing DVI out? Thanks.
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I called a local vendor who called his distributor regarding the DVB318. He mentioned that the regional distribution center doesn't have these yet, and aren't in the computer yet. The regional manager told him that they don't know when the DVB318 will be released, or if there will be further changes to the player (which they say happens- Zenith tends to jump the gun on the website...) before it is released. They didn't have an ETA on the release either so no help yet....

Maybe I'll have to drive up to Canada for the LG 7832. Also it seems that the LG outputs 1080i over component even on copy-protected DVD's- at least that's what I saw in the thread? Even though the manuals are the same and both mention that 1080i may be put back to 480p over component without HDCP...

I guess it may not be a big deal since I own an X1 and it would descale the 1080i, but it seems like a good option since the good ol' panny aren't available, I'm not spending $300 for a v880 (or more for a denon 2200), the 563A, Q50, etc. don't seem to be great solutions with various problems...

If the Zenith/LG have faroudja, a good mpeg decoder, good build quality - and around $200 I'm sold...
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zoro,
Zenith USA website gives a number of online outlets and vendors in my location that supposedly carry this model, however, after contacting all vendors and online outlets I've come up a big fat zero.

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At http://us.lgservice.com you can download the DVB318 owners manual, it shows DVI connection and also lists a DVI cable in accessories supplied.
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Thanks for the reference on LG. However, I did print the pdf on the unit from Zenith's site and it does not indicate DVI, only component. ???
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panji,
Again, go to the us.lgservice.com website, click on owners manual, then input DVB318, you will then be able to download the Zenith DVB318 manual. Although it is the LG website, remember Zenith is now a LG brand.
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