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|Originally posted by Kris Deering
Okay I have all but completely remedied the bug on my player. This is through trial and error using the 20 and 30 IRE window patterns on AVIA, which exhibit the problem consistently, and the worse in my opinion. You will have to go a bit back and forth with the settings in your player and the settings on your monitor though.
Starting with my display completely set correctly using DVE and the player's settings completely in the neutral positions but black level set at 0 IRE. I adjusted the following settings in the DVD player under the picture adjustments.
Black Level : -2
White Level : +1
I went back and forth trying lots of different settings. Be aware that your contrast and brightness settings on your monitor will have an affect too. But I was able to maintain the proper contrast and brightness levels on my monitor and use these settings. This eliminated 99% of the issue on the 20 IRE pattern and 100% on the 30 IRE. I will watch some DVDs over the next week and see what it does for background noise. I did evaluate some of my reference DVDs to see if there was any adverse effects to the image with the 3DNR setting that high, but I couldn't find anything. The image was superb with "The Fifth Element Superbit Edition" with fantastic depth and detail.
These settings may not work completely based on whatever monitor you have and its settings. If you adjust these one and a time using those window patterns you can dial in the picture. I would go one at a time and take each one to the level needed to eliminate as much as each one could. Adding them on top of each other tweaked it in even farther until I was able to almost completely eliminate it. If any of you try this, please let me know how it goes. I think most of these adjustment on the player are done directly in the MPEG decoder and are not parameters adjusted in the Faroudja chipset.
|Originally posted by dpippel
To those people who are seeing the macroblocking I'd say that the MPEG decoder as implemented is "broke" Tom. From a CUSTOMER'S perspective, they've just spent $1.5-$2K on a top-of-the-line player with a reproducable video problem that so far cannot be corrected. And let's be realistic about this player - the videophile/audiophile customer that it's being marketed to WILL obsess over tiny details like this one. We're not talking about a $200 mass-market item here. Products like the 5900 should indeed be subjected to a higher level of engineering, design review, testing, and quality control than the players crowding Wal-mart aisles during the holidays.
No it's not a heart monitor, but it's a damned expensive piece of of home theater gear and Denon's current flagship DVD product. I don't think telling people to just accept something that should have been identified and corrected early in this machine's development process is fair just because you don't consider it a big deal. In my opinion it's a legitimate gripe.
|Originally posted by Earz
You are correct sir, and anyone who defends this players macro blocking, transport grinding /lockup or any other obvious defect to those of us that have had problems comes off looking like...well you know;)
|My advice would be to make sure the latest firmware is loaded as apparently my player was shipped to the dealer without the newest firmware even though the DVI menus were available. I was also informed that even though the DVI options were available that this was not the correct way to verify if the DVI update had been applied. The only way to tell for sure is the firmware display.|
|Originally posted by Kris Deering
I still don't understand some of the people on this thread. Guess I come off like ..... then because I still think most of you are either:
a. setting up your display wrong
b. have a defective unit
c. don't know how to set up the player right
d. all of the above
I don't have any idea what you are referring to with this grinding/lockup problem but I have had 3 players already and none have done anything that would fit that description. And after reading LOTS of threads on this player you seem to be the only person with this problem, so I don't think Denon needs to stop production and send out a massive recall on it.
The artifacts that are being referred to as "macroblocking" appear to be rounding errors in the MPEG decoder. While I admit freely that I see them in the AVIA test patterns in the lower IREs and room light references, I have yet to see ANYTHING in the more then 100 DVDs I have played with the player. So here I look at a bunch of people saying that this player was too bad to live with yet I still don't have referrences to films that produce this "macroblocking". The only title I have seen is Unbreakable, which was compression issues that I could reproduce on another player.
The MPEG decoder does have issues, but it may not be broken. If there is no set tolerance for rounding errors, then ESS may not be liable. And again I stress that I find it seriously hard to believe that Denon would have been able to catch this at ALL before selling these units.
For all of you who think this player is a piece of junk, fine. I hope your happy with whatever other perfect player you find out there. I personally have been enjoying phenominal video and audio on this unit for the last few months and plan to continue to do so for quite sometime. I really hope that people can read through this post and sift through the drama that some are making, because this is a great player that I think most would be overjoyed with.
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