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YvesC,

:cool: Should be June, middle, possibly on a Thursday, mid afternoon, say 3:42:35...

zoro,

For obvious reasons the majority (all this year) are built in China, also D&M secured our own factory not to long ago. It is most likely our DVD-1x will be Japan, maybe even the 5900 replacement but I can't say for sure.

hongcho,

We are seriously investigating WMV9 presently, however Microsoft still isn't sure on how to proceed with WMV0 in set top boxes, there is also a limited number (1 that I know of) decoder chipsets available - and this chipset may not be compatible with whatever Microsoft finally decides...

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OUT the context, looks like MICROSOFT next XBOX beafed up, will have WM9 player??
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Don't know - one would think and by that time Microsoft should have everything ironed out.

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DenonJeff,

I choose the DTS option on the DVD and I set my Sony TA-E9000ES pre-pro to 'auto' decode and the pre-pro decodes as DD 3/2. I then force the pre-pro to decode DTS only and the pre/pro indicates 'not DTS'.

I replaced the 2900 with a lower end JVC player I have laying around and the Eagles DVD plays fine with the DTS audio option.
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DThiel,

Interesting, I must have a different version of the disc than you, mine only offers dts and PCM 2.0. I take it yours has, and defaults to the DD track? I will have to go out and buy another copy to test. Thanks for the feedback.

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minimal layer change!..I dont think, it is asking too much,,
Actually, not enough. I'd like to see layer changes eliminated alltogether.

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I beleive Hell Freezes Over only has PCM and DTS, not DD.

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I beleive Hell Freezes Over only has PCM and DTS, not DD.
That's all that's on my copy too.

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On my previous Panasonic player, if you select DTS as the audio track on the Eagles disc, then skip past the opening logos and intros to the show itself, it defaulted back to PCM for some reason. I found this extremelly annoying. I tried this same thing with the 5900 and it stayed in DTS just fine the whole way through.

I don't know how in the world you could be getting a Dolby track since there isn't one on the disc.

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I had the same problem with my XP-50 as well. That is why I sold the darn thing!

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I beleive Hell Freezes Over only has PCM and DTS, not DD.

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When I load the disc in the 2900 player, I have two audio options which are displayed, DTS and Dolby 5.1 Surround.
If I choose the Dolby 5.1 surround audio option, my pre-pro decodes the disc as DD 3/2(yes true 5.1 surround with LFE not DD 2/0).
When I choose DTS, my pre/pro still decodes the disc at DD 3/2.
Again, I forced the pre-pro to decode DTS only (choosing DTS option on the disc)and the pre-pro indicates 'not DTS'.

I only have this occurring with the Eagles DVD.
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I don't know how in the world you could be getting a Dolby track since there isn't one on the disc.
That's what the Sony TA-E9000ES is indicating. If the disc is encoded with DD 1/0, DD 2/0, DD 3/2, DTS 3/2, the Sony will decode the disc and indicate what it's decoding.

Could it be the 2900 or the TA-E9000ES? All I know is the Sony does NOT indicate DTS with either audio option available on the disc.
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Is it a retail disc?
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Hi DenonJeff,

Will the new Universal player come with build in DD, DTS, SACD and DVD-A decorder? I know no one here interested with build in decoder but I do :)

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Is it a retail disc?
Good point Dean_Mc.

I bought this DVD off of a friend. I will have to find out were he bought it.
I do notice the Disc says 'DVD-9 dolby digital'. The art work on the cover indicates DTS digital surround and looks identical to what BB and Amazon is selling for this DVD.

What I'm going to do is buy another copy from Best Buy and report back on my findings.
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Jeff, so much for my Nostradamus skills. :p

If it isn't too late in the game, I have a suggestion for future players that you could relay to the Japanese engineers. It only affects European players, but it is rather bothersome, and it could be solved with next to no expense.

Just tell them the following:

Force two-channel downmix on the SCART audio channels, regardless of audio channel setup.

Explanation:

In current Denon universal players, if you set up speaker configuration to "multi-channel", the audio channels of the SCART plug carry only the front L+R channels, which is rather catastrophic - you lose all the center channel and most dialogue with it when you want to watch a DVD on your TV without turning on the amplifier.

An example of what should be done can be found on the Philips 963SA. No matter how audio is setup, you have stereo downmix on the audio of the SCART connection.

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Dtheil, only thing I can think of is you don't have the DTS bitstream turned ON in the DVD player. I had the E9000es for 4 years and don't remember this problem with the preamp.

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SamL,

As we have done previously, all our Universal players will have the built in decoders for all the formats.

Grubert,

I have asked for our players to do the same downmixing for the analog outputs, only our DVD-A players do this, not the universal ones. I know we are going to have on the upcoming units! I would imagine they will provide this for the SCART output, but I will inquire.

ChuckG,

Good suggestion, however the 2900 has either a 'Normal' or 'PCM' digital output adjustment. From the factory it is set to 'Normal' which passes the native bitstream from any disc out, including dts. If DTheil, has it set to PCM, he would be having problems on just about every DVD he played..
I think we will have to wait for his upcoming test results with another disc..

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I do notice the Disc says 'DVD-9 dolby digital'.
sorry to say this, but when I see this I strongly suspect this is not an original retail disc. "DVD-9" this word is commonly used in south east asia for bootlegs. I have tried some of them. They all say DTS in the menu, but actually can be anything other than DTS. The worst thing is mixing a simple PCM into a DD track with the other channels simply equal to the mains.
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My vote is for a Bootleg disk.

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Please look at upgrading the audio side of your universal players. I thought the whole point of a universal player is to be able to play DVD-A and SACD well, otherwise a much less expensive DVD-V player would be sufficient.
I know the power supply and video circuits of the 2900 and 5900 are very good, but the audio side is less so. I am now reviewing a modded 5900 that does SACD as well as Sony's best, so it could be done with a factory player.
Sony has it right though in that their top of the line SACD DVD-V player offers excellent audio playback direct from the factory. They realize that on a universal player, the audio is probably more important than the video. Too bad they don't offer a truly universal player.


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May I suggest looking at PAL, PAL to NTSC performance of your players too, 2200, 2900, dont get it right!
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I would say definitely a bootleg as well on the Eagles disc.

Hell Freezes Over only has a 5.1 DTS track and a 48 KHz PCM track; there is no Dolby Digital track at all.

I recall this actually was the cause of a dustup on the disc's initial release as I believe the DVD standard requires a Dolby AC-3 track for a DVD to be "compliant"; this is why most DTS DVDs now include at least a mono Dolby track, if not a simple 2.0 Dolby track.
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I'll go to BB today and pick up another copy. Gives me an excuse to pick up more DVD's while I'm there :)
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Jeff,

Any word on the full fix for the 5900 in reference to the macro-blocking issue.

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Ron,

Not yet, trust me this forum will be the first place I post when it does!

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Jeff, so much for my Nostradamus skills. :p

If it isn't too late in the game, I have a suggestion for future players that you could relay to the Japanese engineers. It only affects European players, but it is rather bothersome, and it could be solved with next to no expense.

Just tell them the following:

Force two-channel downmix on the SCART audio channels, regardless of audio channel setup.

Explanation:

In current Denon universal players, if you set up speaker configuration to "multi-channel", the audio channels of the SCART plug carry only the front L+R channels, which is rather catastrophic - you lose all the center channel and most dialogue with it when you want to watch a DVD on your TV without turning on the amplifier.

An example of what should be done can be found on the Philips 963SA. No matter how audio is setup, you have stereo downmix on the audio of the SCART connection.
I came to know from a reliable source about the replacement for 2200. It features HDMI/ sacd/dvd-audio with Faroudja DCDI. It will be priced at $699 and due in August. I do not know about the other models.

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Ravi,

Reliable? I wonder......;)

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Hi Jeff

First of all thanks for the participation here. Based on your handling of the so called macroblocking I upgraded to the 5900 recently and couldn't be happier.

Second, not a big deal but something for down the road I tried one of the DualDiscs that are being test marketed in a couple areas and the 5900 won't recognize the CD side. Works fine in a 2200.

I bought it as a curiousity, but if the format does catch, it might be worthwhile finding out what the 5900 doesn't like about it.

Thanks again.
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Dean_Mc,

We have been working with Warner, however the final spec is not done and definitely not approved by the DVD Forum. I also spoke to Universal and they mentioned to me the CD side is the more likely side to not be read by some machines.

Once approved our stuff will work.

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