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Does anybody have any comments on the LG LST3510A? It is a DVD/HDTV tuner with DVI out.

I am thinking about this one because it would be nice to pick up ABC HDTV OTA for MNF since Cablevision does not have it. I don't want to sacrifice any DVD PQ though.

Bonus would be only having to use one DVI input on TV for tuner and DVD.

Anyone have any experience with this player/tuner?

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Chris: I have personally not heard of this combo player but the specs look good. - The only thing I see missing is a DTS encoder or pass thru.
- Since it does component upscaling, I am presuming it does DVI upscaling as well.
- And you are certainly right about having one DVI for both DVD player and tuner.
- Not sure what they mean by HDCD? Hybrid CD?
- Since it LG, check whether they publish firmware upgrades on their website. Just in case you see issues...etc.
Overall seems to be a good device, although I am not big supporter of a combo device (since there is generally some sacrifice involved).
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it does scale via component but dvi upscaling looks way better!
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Chris: I have personally not heard of this combo player but the specs look good. - The only thing I see missing is a DTS encoder or pass thru.
- Since it does component upscaling, I am presuming it does DVI upscaling as well.
- And you are certainly right about having one DVI for both DVD player and tuner.
- Not sure what they mean by HDCD? Hybrid CD?
- Since it LG, check whether they publish firmware upgrades on their website. Just in case you see issues...etc.
Overall seems to be a good device, although I am not big supporter of a combo device (since there is generally some sacrifice involved).

mallu2u,

All good points, thanks for the reply.

According to the manual,
-It does DVI upscaling.
-It supports DTS.
-It has a serial port, presumably for firmware upgrades??
-HDCD Playback
"HDCD is a process that increases the fidelity of both specially encoded HDCD discs and standard Audio CDs. When an HDCD-encoded disc is playing, the special decoder is automatically activated and the HDCD Indicator lights. No user intervention is required.

To enjoy the benefits of HDCD, your DVD/HDTV Receiver must be connected to your A/V receiver via the Analog Audio Outputs. However, if your A/V receiver or surround processor is equipped with built-in HDCD decoding and Digital Audio Output mode is set to stream/PCM on the Setup menu, you may elect to use either the Coaxial or Optical digital audio connections
for HDCD playback."

I'll do some more research, but if anyone else has had experience with this unit, I would appreciate any feedback that you have.

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The 3510a had a lousy deinterlacer, if that sort of thing matters to you. And overall, my Samsung 931 had a better overall picture, despite clipping blacks.

Still looking; waiting for either the new Denons, or TheaterTek 2.0...

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The 3510a had a lousy deinterlacer, if that sort of thing matters to you. And overall, my Samsung 931 had a better overall picture, despite clipping blacks.

Still looking; waiting for either the new Denons, or TheaterTek 2.0...

Yes it does.

Would you see the negative effects of the bad deinterlacer when watching DVD's on this unit or when watching 480i/1080i broadcasts received by the tuner? Or would you see it in both cases?

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I couldn't tune much OTA where I am, so I didn't see anything there. On DVDs though, comb-city and splotchy. You can "force" film mode, but you need to click whatever button it was something like 5 times for every disc you wanted to do it with, and it's recovery time was pretty awful when the inevitable glitch occurred.

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Thanks Fellini8.5.

I guess I'll just wait and see how the sammy 941 works out.
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mallu2u,

The players mentioned on this forum that upscale through component did not meet my criteria in so far as inclusive of a hi-rez format and being able to buy from a local retailer from their store shelf whereby I could try it and easily return it if there were any problems. My criteria therefore limited my selection of a player.

I was able to find the CA 540D at a local audio dealer whom I had purchased audio equipment from in the passed. Got a good deal and if anything goes wrong within the warranty period, it goes back to his store and I don't have to deal with the manufacturer.

Too bad on the Samsung HD841. It was the best out of the lot that Best Buy and CC currently has to offer. Great PQ but the problems reported on that player gave me cold feet so I returned it.
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Im with you on that. Do you know what Zenith DVB318 is available at BB? You can purchase it on their website and if you do not like it, return it at the store. No shipping cost too...something to think abt or compare with your CA 540D.
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Where is Pioneer when it comes to DVI?
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Bad news for Zenith DVB318 owners. The new firmware, when available shall disable the component upconversion! Therefore beware...unless u really want fixes for your DVI with this player, stay away from this firmware upgrade.
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LOL - They call that a firmware UPGRADE???

Sounds like a firmware DOWNGRADE!!!!!!!!!
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Just to add to Mallu2u's post on the firmware fix for the zenith 318.... From what I gather it will likely disable the upscale over component (but a tester noted LOTR:TT Ext. still played upscaled over component so that's wierd) but the fixes you do get are substaintiall specifically if you really really want to upscale to 720p.

720p over either connection is reported to have a color bleeding issue (and in White crush if you use DVI) so this fix has some attraction to me as I want to do 1:1 mapping to my 720p TV (w/DVI) with as few PQ issues possible since it is reported that this firmware fix will take care of the DVI white crush, 720p bleed (reported fixed), disable component [ ].

This is really one of the firmware updates that you will have to consider your own personal situation (TV set) and think it through completely before doing. I know I am going to think over it even with my argument for it in the last paragraph.
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Although I see myself using DVI with my DVD player but even then I would have liked to have the option of component upconversion. Let's see how Denon 1910 is. If its great, then I might just go for that! Otherwise shall be back for Momitsu or Zenith. Panny S97 is wayyyyyyy late (november). They shall loose out on a lot of people who need a player now and have been waiting for a while now.
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Hey...do u guys know the MSRPs of the players listed in the first thread? I am thinking of adding that info. Is it useful?
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Hey...do u guys know the MSRPs of the players listed in the first thread? I am thinking of adding that info. Is it useful?

It would be very useful.

http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/4422
The DVP-NS975V will be available in September for about $300.
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$269 p[re order on amazon, available in October
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It would be very useful.

http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/4422
The DVP-NS975V will be available in September for about $300.

Alright then, shall put this info out there hopefully by tonite or early tomorrow. MSRP. I know I cannot put websites and their prices as its against forum policies I guess. Maybe be able to add a best price @ column
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Still have one eye on the Zenith. I believe someone stated Amazon was offering it for $159.99. I haven't checked the price at BB in awhile but I remember you mentioning this resource some time back when I said I didn't want to deal with online retailers.
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Hey...do u guys know the MSRPs of the players listed in the first thread? I am thinking of adding that info. Is it useful?

http://www.extremephono.com/momitsu_dvd_v880.htm

has some more MSRPs
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Still have one eye on the Zenith. I believe someone stated Amazon was offering it for $159.99. I haven't checked the price at BB in awhile but I remember you mentioning this resource some time back when I said I didn't want to deal with online retailers.

Just went on their website. Indeed its $160 there right now. And free shipping.
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Greetings

I haven't had time to figure out why Two Towers EE upconverts to 1080i fine via component while films like Clones, Spiderman, Trek lock out. It might be the presence of macrovision which might be the flag ... (Speculation) as not all hollywood films choose to employ the macronugget technology.

In the mid term, I don't think it is inconceivable that some enterprising individual will decompile the firmware and be able to turn the feature back on. This would be much like in the digital camera world where the Canon Digital Rebel firmware was hacked to "turn on" a number of features that were purposely dropped for this camera from the Canon 10D professional camera as the two shared similar firmware.

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Michael: I see Zenith on Amazon at a good price but its back ordered. My Q is how long might it take for this firmware to be released as currently its back ordered at Amazon. I only want to buy from them if that firmware is not already installed.
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Greetings

All I know is that they took the comments from the test sessions and have gone back to see if they can address some of the other issues. Rewriting code is not done overnight ... and I would expect that any units made prior to July 2004 would not have this update.

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Thanks Michael.
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Ok..am hearing that even Sammy 941 is going to be delayed till November now...
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Ok..am hearing that even Sammy 941 is going to be delayed till November now...

Unbelievable.....
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coz of issues that were found in 841 and they would look into it to fix them...
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updated the msrp and best place to buy the above players on the first page!
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