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post #1261 of 2453 Old 03-06-2006, 10:47 AM
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I bought one of the first progressive Toshiba players that is now having problems playing some DVD's as well as decoding DD or DTS 5.1 so it's time for a replacement. Thanks to Mitsu's broken *promise* stance my WS-65869 RPTV does not have DVI or HDMI so I'm stuck with component for up-scaling which I understand limits my choices.

From researching here in this thread it sounds like my options are the Samsung DVD-HD841, HD850, HD941 and HD950 models along with older Zenith 318 players. The Sammy's require hacks to up-convert through component which sounds straight-forward and simple enough but are there any other options out there I should know about?

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Ok, looks like the LG LDA-531 is another popular option here but I can't find it local or by a well-known web merchant here in the states. How many have ordered from Only Best Rated for this unit?

I'm trying to decide between the Samsung 941/950 or LG LDA-531. All three I've found new for under $200 and while reading the pros and cons of all which one is the better unit for my setup.
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I've been searching for the correct thread to post this in, but couldn't find, maybe someone here can help. I have a Sony DVP-NS70H upconverting player connected via HDMI. My problem is many of my burned DVD's dont play or get stuck while watching on this brand new player. My older piece of crap $39 Norcent from Walmart has no problem playing the same DVD's. Can anyone explain this to me? Thanks for helping a newbie!
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I purchased the LG LDA-531 from Only Best Rated -- they shipped it fast to California and it arrived in good condition (although they put the original box in a plastic shipping bag --no other protection).

LDA-531 does upconvert original DVDs (copy-protected) to 1080i over component with the remote hacks described in this forum.

Only Best Rated will include a region free hack on disk -- I bought it but I haven't tried it.

I have just started to assess the PQ with Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK, and my initial impressions are favorable. I replaced my older DVD player, a Panasonic DVD-RP91, just to try out the upscaling.

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OK, heres a basic question that I need some help answering. First some background:

my parents recently got a HDTV, and also got an upconverting DVD player (SD-4980SC) .... now, they have a Shaw HD cable box, which is connected to the TV with HDMI. The DVD player has an HDMI connection, and the guy at the HT store said that to get the best picture and sound my parents would have to unplug the cable box HDMI (plugged into TV HDMI) and plg in the DVD playersw HMDI cable.

Is that true?
Can we use the Component cable/connection and get the same image quality?
I'm confused :/

Thanks for any help you can provide!
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I connected the DVD player with both the Component and HDMI and tried both.
Sure didnt notice any difference. (tried all three upconverting options)
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I purchased the LG LDA-531 from Only Best Rated -- they shipped it fast to California and it arrived in good condition (although they put the original box in a plastic shipping bag --no other protection).

LDA-531 does upconvert original DVDs (copy-protected) to 1080i over component with the remote hacks described in this forum.

Only Best Rated will include a region free hack on disk -- I bought it but I haven't tried it.

I have just started to assess the PQ with Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK, and my initial impressions are favorable. I replaced my older DVD player, a Panasonic DVD-RP91, just to try out the upscaling.

Brian

Isn't the LDS-531 a Samsung clone? I bought a Samsung (hd-950) to check out component upconverting, but immediately went back to my trusty RP-91. The Samsung was just unacceptably soft.
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glad I didn't shell out for an upconverting DVD player. I hooked up my TEN year old Toshiba DVD (480i--not even progressive) and it looks GREAT with my new Pioneer PDP-5060HD plasma
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This maybe a stupid question, but I'm not sure how this should work so I thought I would check: I've been using the LDA511 upconverting DVD player - trying both component and HDMI on my 16x9 TV. The DVD player always sends the picture stretched to a full 16x9 regardless if the DVD is 4x3, 16x9, or 2.35:1. I can change this via settings on the TV, but should that be necessary? Is it common practice for DVD players to strectch everything out? I've tried several non-upconverting DVD players, and they will atleast get the 2.35:1 correct without any adjustment, but they still stretch 4x3 out to 16x9...

Thanks!
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I'm using a basic, 2-yr old Sony, at 480p with my 5060 and it looks excellent. I've switched back and forth between 480i and 480p and it's hard to see much of a difference. The 5060 must have some excellent processing. I'd like to get a DVD Player that doubles as a SACD player, but don't know if giving up the 480i capability in the process (can't seem to find one with 480i and 480p) is wise or not.

Any suggestions?

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glad I didn't shell out for an upconverting DVD player. I hooked up my TEN year old Toshiba DVD (480i--not even progressive) and it looks GREAT with my new Pioneer PDP-5060HD plasma

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I have a question about the upscaling from 480p/i to 720p/1080i. I have a samsung HD-941 dvd player which upscales through HDMI either 480p, 720p, 768p or 1080i. I'm feeding a Panasonic AE-900 projector, but changing from 480p to 720p or 1080i, I can't see any difference.
Is this because the projector is doing the upscaling even if I send a 480p signal? I did try using the component connection using 480i and 480p, but I liked the picture using the HDMI better.
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This maybe a stupid question, but I'm not sure how this should work so I thought I would check: I've been using the LDA511 upconverting DVD player - trying both component and HDMI on my 16x9 TV. The DVD player always sends the picture stretched to a full 16x9 regardless if the DVD is 4x3, 16x9, or 2.35:1. I can change this via settings on the TV, but should that be necessary? Is it common practice for DVD players to strectch everything out? I've tried several non-upconverting DVD players, and they will atleast get the 2.35:1 correct without any adjustment, but they still stretch 4x3 out to 16x9...

Thanks!

When you upconvert to 1080I or 720P you get some vertical or horizontial distortion-you can either try to correct it with your tv's service menu (verrtical and horizontial) or try using the zoom function on the 511.
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Has anyone seen the new Harmon Kardon DVD 47 updconverting DVD player with HDMI? I'm curious about it's upconverting performance compared to other players. It says it uses pixel-by-pixel upconversion as opposed to line-by-line, so it is supposed to have few jaggies, compression artifacts, etc.

Anyone have any input?
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I just tried out a Sony NS70H, single upconverting DVD player. WOW! And for $135.

Now my dilema. I also have an older Sony 400 DVD jukebox.

Do I also buy the newer Sony Upconverting DVD jukebox, or upgrade my 3 year old Denon 3803 (which has component upconverting) for a new 3806 which has the HDMI upconverting?

I wonder if my 3803 only changes the signal to be sent out via the component cables, and not the actual signal to 1080? Does the new 3806 upcovert the signal to 1080? I could really see a diff from my old DVD jukebox (480) and the new upconverting NS70H (1080) I just got.

FYI, I was using a monoprice 50 foot (yes, a 50 foot HDMI cable) hooked directly to my new 60" Sony SXBR (wow what a TV!) and a 6 foot optical cable, and there were no issues with any delays.

I would rather not have to spend $1000-1500 on a new receiver, but i also want the best picture I can get.

Suggestions please?
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I just got a Panasonic S97 yesterday , its a nice dvd player with tons of features but Im not seeing an improved picture on my XBR960 with the player set at 720 or 1080i via HDMI input , when comparing the same DVDs on my Sony NS725P player via Component / 480P theres very little difference at all with the only differences being color saturation / brightness. DVD playback looks great on both players its just I was expecting to see an improvement in the upconversion.

I guess its true when they say up converting players are best suited for fixed pixel displays.
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I just got a Panasonic S97 yesterday , its a nice dvd player with tons of features but Im not seeing an improved picture on my XBR960 with the player set at 720 or 1080i via HDMI input , when comparing the same DVDs on my Sony NS725P player via Component / 480P theres very little difference at all with the only differences being color saturation / brightness. DVD playback looks great on both players its just I was expecting to see an improvement in the upconversion.

I guess its true when they say up converting players are best suited for fixed pixel displays.

That's a 34" display, isn't it? At that screen size and dot pitch, I would think it would be pretty hard to see the difference in video frequency response between these two players, especially at normal viewing distances.

That is a great TV, however. You're probably seeing a superb picture at 480p, so you shouldn't feel like you're missing anything in terms of picture quality.

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I just tried out a Sony NS70H, single upconverting DVD player. WOW! And for $135.

Now my dilema. I also have an older Sony 400 DVD jukebox.

Do I also buy the newer Sony Upconverting DVD jukebox, or upgrade my 3 year old Denon 3803 (which has component upconverting) for a new 3806 which has the HDMI upconverting?

I wonder if my 3803 only changes the signal to be sent out via the component cables, and not the actual signal to 1080? Does the new 3806 upcovert the signal to 1080? I could really see a diff from my old DVD jukebox (480) and the new upconverting NS70H (1080) I just got.

FYI, I was using a monoprice 50 foot (yes, a 50 foot HDMI cable) hooked directly to my new 60" Sony SXBR (wow what a TV!) and a 6 foot optical cable, and there were no issues with any delays.

I would rather not have to spend $1000-1500 on a new receiver, but i also want the best picture I can get.

Suggestions please?

Wait one week before you do anything. I say that because the new Sony NS75H is just hitting the shelves (I'll have one in my hands on Thursday, it's shipped already) and it should fix the one glaring issue with the NS70H (upconversion shift). I tried many players (Oppo, 2 Samsungs, Zenith 318, RCA 8060N, Sylvania (faroudja based) - all HDMI upconverters) and the Sony NS70H was/is simply the best. The picture at 720P to my Sharp projector simply sparkled. It's glaring (and unfixed) issue is an image shift when upconverting. It bothered me enough to sell my NS70H as soon as I heard the 75H was on the horizon. I can't say that the shift issue is fixed (yet) but with as much stink as has been made about it I can't imagine Sony didn't fix it.

If indeed it is fixed and they left all the other goodies the 70H alone it should be the DVD player to beat (of course until HD players are widely available). I'll post a review after I've put it through its paces.

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I have tried 4 up-converting DVD players recently. I have a 50ft HDMI to M1 (projector port similar to DVI) cable from Monoprice going to SP5000 projector. My goal was a DVD player that did better up-converting to 720p than the projector.

Samsung HD-845: Worked for a little while, then would not play copy-protected DVDs over HDMI, was going to swap for another, but Best Buy only had 4 open units left, no new ones - figured with that many returned must not be any good.

LG LDA511: Slot load, ok upconverion, very slow... Insisted on stretching all 4x3 material to 16x9 widescreen. If use hack to disable HDCP and macrovision then worked fine over 50ft cable, otherwise all I got was snow - not worth the trouble... Hack for component upconvert worked ok for 720p, 1080i was horrible skewed/tinted with 25ft cables (from monoprice)...

Toshiba SD-4980: Just seemed junky.... still stretch 4x3 so everything was short and fat.. Upconversion nothing great...

Sony DVP-NS70H: first off, I notice a very slight smaller picture on 4x3 material, but that is it. I can set the projector to always have overscan on so that is not an issue, anything widescreen appears to be fine... Other than that this DVD player is the BEST. Best buy does not list this one on their website even though the local store had it (I tried all of the upconvert DVD players at the store). It has an option for 4x3 if you want it stretched or pillarbox, upconversion is excellent quality...

If the Sony and Toshiba DVD players are any indication of how Blu-ray and HD-DVD will do, HD-DVD does stand a chance...
The Sony is better than any DVD player I have ever used!
(and monoprice is great place to get cables!)
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A question for knowledgeable members. I have recently tried the Samsung HD 850 for its upconverting feature over component. It does not pass below black information in this configuration. Otherwise an excellent player.

Does anyone know of a player in this price range that does pass below black over component with an upconverted signal?
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glad I didn't shell out for an upconverting DVD player. I hooked up my TEN year old Toshiba DVD (480i--not even progressive) and it looks GREAT with my new Pioneer PDP-5060HD plasma

You know what's funny? I was thinking of doing the same thing with my 7yr old Toshiba 3109 non-progressive player and seeing how it compares to the Oppo. I'll see if I can give it a shot. What model do you have?
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What about using one of the new HD-DVD players to upscale Standard Def DVD disks also?

Does anyone have any thoughts on that?
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Hello all,

I just got the JVC 40" 1080p LCD, and now i'm looking for a DVD player to go with it. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good upconverting DVD player with hmdi that can be found for < $200?

Thanks in advance!
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Hello all,

I just got the JVC 40" 1080p LCD, and now i'm looking for a DVD player to go with it. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good upconverting DVD player with hmdi that can be found for < $200?

Thanks in advance!

Sony DVP-NS75H. Check out the thread on this player.
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Is this one better than the Oppo Digital OPDV971H?? thanks...
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I just got the JVC 40" 1080p LCD, and now i'm looking for a DVD player to go with it. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good upconverting DVD player with hmdi that can be found for < $200?

Also check out the very highly-rated OPPO 971H.
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And i'm sorry that I don't know more about this stuff, but do i even need an upconverting DVD player since my JVC 40FH96 TV upconverts?
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glad I didn't shell out for an upconverting DVD player. I hooked up my TEN year old Toshiba DVD (480i--not even progressive) and it looks GREAT with my new Pioneer PDP-5060HD plasma

The video signal processing in mainstream TV's has certainly come a long way. However, you would be very surprised to see the improvement from a fully-digital upconverting player. You have to know what to look for, of course, but when you see the difference, you will never want to go back to the 10-year old analog 480i unit!

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Is this one better than the Oppo Digital OPDV971H?? thanks...

It's about $70 less and many claim that it is better. Check out the NS70H thread and the new NS75H thread.
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Is this one better than the Oppo Digital OPDV971H?? thanks...

Well, people rave about the Sony players, but they falter in the de-interlacing department. A person who knows what to look for, could identify and point out where these players trip up. As long as your display doesn't have problems with Faroudja macroblocking, the OPPO is fantastic for the money.

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Isn't the LDS-531 a Samsung clone? I bought a Samsung (hd-950) to check out component upconverting, but immediately went back to my trusty RP-91. The Samsung was just unacceptably soft.

Is the LDA-531 really a Samsung clone? I would have thought LG and Samsung products are independent.

P.S. Which TV are you using? I have the Panasonic RP-91 too, and I've been satisfied so far, partially because my TV is only 34".
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Also, there is an article on engadget this morning about the upconverting pioneer players that completely lack HDCP how are these?
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