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post #121 of 2453 Old 08-19-2004, 11:02 AM
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Anybody have any thoughts on what would be the best DVI DVD Player (Do not care about Component quality) to connect to my new Benq PE8700+? I have been flipping back and forth on the Bravo D2, the Momitsu, and now the Denon 1910. Also would like to see how the Bravo D3 turns out but it looks like it will come out too late as I am completing my Home Theater by the beginning of October. I have a Denon AVR 3805 so using the Denon Link with the 1910 is attractive. I have heard some bad things about the current line of Denon's though and hope it doesnt carry over to the DVI players. I will be using a Ram Electronics DVI Switch 4x1 to connect my Benq to the DVD player, a Dish Network 921 HD DVR, and an HTPC with a Radeon x800 in it. So any thoughts?

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from what I have gathered over last few months..rule bravo out. keep it to denon, zenith or momitsu. And if u can wait, Panny S97 should be good. Sony might be decent as well. I think I shall dip into one of the first three early next month. cannot wait for panny till nov although I think it might be great as it has a great reputation. In any case most will stop the upconversion over component. Zenith already has (in newer builds) and so will momitsu (sigma chips) some time in future.
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Watch out for Denon 1910 to hit stores by end of this month or first week of Sep!
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I just placed an order with Crutchfield for the Denon 1910. Their promise date from Denon is Sep 6 (Labor Day), so they'd expect that customers who pre-ordered will get it by the end of the week (Sep 10). The price was a little below what Mallu listed on the first page and included free shipping and had no sales tax. Hopefully, there will be no delays.

On a side not, I noticed that the 1910 comes in both silver and black. Crutchfield still did not have any color information, so I am going to have to call back to get put in a color request. Does anyone have any opinions/theories on color matching (this is far from my ability). The TV I am about to order is the Panasonic 42PWD6UY, which is black. Is there any reason for me not to get a matching color?
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Originally posted by jlee121212
I just placed an order with Crutchfield for the Denon 1910. Their promise date from Denon is Sep 6 (Labor Day), so they'd expect that customers who pre-ordered will get it by the end of the week (Sep 10). The price was a little below what Mallu listed on the first page and included free shipping and had no sales tax. Hopefully, there will be no delays.

On a side not, I noticed that the 1910 comes in both silver and black. Crutchfield still did not have any color information, so I am going to have to call back to get put in a color request. Does anyone have any opinions/theories on color matching (this is far from my ability). The TV I am about to order is the Panasonic 42PWD6UY, which is black. Is there any reason for me not to get a matching color?

Thanks for the update. I shall add crutchfield to the list of "best places to buy at" for this player. The price I mention is the "MSRP" and therefore have another column saying "Best Price @" column since I cannot mention that price, accordingly to forum rules I believe.
As for the color, I think thats aesthetics..even I would love to have all black components so that it really blends in, with the rest of my setup. Plus it's the WAF (Wife Approval Factor) for some Fortunately I have the veto power when it comes to any "gadget" in the house!
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On the V880N thread, it has been mentioned that Momitsu V880 Deluxe and V880N are just around the corner. Might get shipped this week or next week...so watch out....Denon 1910 and Momitsu...almost at the same time..shall be interesting to read the first set of reviews...
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Stupid question: Is this thread being limited to under $500 players? Just curious...

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No its not..QOB, just thought that most people look for players under it though. I would love to add more to this list. Which ones would you like me to add to the list...one thing though. buying a $2K player certainly does not makes sense to me (like one of those high-end Denons), atleast not yet!!
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Added the Denon 2910 and 3910 to the list now...
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I have asked the administrators to change the name to 'Upconverting DVD Player Options/Impressions' since that's the true objective of this thread.
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Actually, the "DVI" is what caught my interest.

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LOL. The information is still for both DVI and Component but wanted to make it generic and therefore made it upconverting...
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I'd be happy with anything you want to add. The clue probably would be: How many threads do you see for that one player? Better throw a few Pioneer units on there, too, as applicable, like the 59 Elite, and so forth.

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I'm a bit of a newbie, and would like some thoughts on my situation. I bought an open-box Samsung 931 for about $80 for use on a 65" Mitsubishi CRT RP television. I'm less than thrilled with the results.

The upconverted 1080i over the DVI looks extremely grainy and contrasty, compared with the 480p over the component connection. I don't know how else to say it, other than the picture quality is noticably worse at the higher resolution, all digital setting.

Is this the result of using the upconverting player with a CRT, versus a fixed-pixel display like an LCD or DLP? Or is it just my subjective tastes?

Granted, it's only $80, but if all I'm going to use the player for is 480p over component, I'd probably pick another player. This machine is painfully slow. Also, it uses the same remote button to skip chapers, as well as to fast-foward or fast-reverse. THAT is aggrivating as all get out.

If there' s no way I can enjoy better quality from the up-converting player, then I see no reason to tolerate the other annoyances.
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Stutsu: This player that you got for mere $80 was not long ago selling for over $250!! The player definitely has known issues but grainy picture seems to be something else. Do u know what is the native resolution of your TV? It is best have 1:1 mapping to the TV's resolution.
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There's no question this player was a good deal, price wise. That's why I feel bad for even complaining ...

I'm still learning how these things work, but I THINK the set displays 480p and 1080i without converting, so I guess that would be considered "native."

I just did some more poking around the Mits. website, I saw that the Mits. TV has its own edge enhancement feature that can be selected/deselected for each separate input. I knew the feature existed, but I didn't realize that each input had its own settings. It could be that I still have this turned on for the DVI input.

If that's the case, then perhaps that is part of the problem. It might explain why the picture has an "over Photoshopped" feel to it...
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Stustu,

Just for clarification... the native rate of your set is only a single resolution. All incoming formats are scaled to the native rez of your set. Being that it's a Mits... I am fairly certain that the native rez is 1080i. Therefor everything that comes into your set is scaled to 1080i for display on the screen. This is assuming there's not some other weird stuff going on with your setup that I am missing.

Perhaps I am missing something?

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Jeff,

If anyone is missing something, it is me, without a doubt. One month ago I thought it would be cool to have a big TV. Little did I know how much more complicated it is to have a 65" versus the twelve-year old, 20" RCA I replaced.

Looking again at the specs on the TV, it indicates there are actually 1200 lines of horizontal screen resolution, so I guess that would make 1080i the true "native" format.

At any rate, I'm anxious to get home and fiddle with the set's own edge enhancement setting - perhaps that's the issue.

Thanks to all for the help.
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hehehe... yep. You basically hit the nail on the head. Welcome to our wonderful world. Unlike 99.9% of the rest of the world at large, most of the goober here like myself want to eke out the last iota of picture/sound quality from our setups. The biggest "problem" with this is that the more you learn, the more you tend to nitpick the small things. To quote my wife after seeing me spend 3 straight nights with the DLP once I got it's guts replaced, "Why can't you just be happy with turning it on and watching the tv?" That pretty much sums up all the rest of the world at large.

Best of luck with your tweaking!

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"Why can't you just be happy with turning it on and watching the tv?"

That exactly describes my wife's comments for all my electronic toys too!! Im playing with HDTV (Antennas, Amps), DVD Player, DVR these days
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lol, funny! haha

bless our wives.
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Yep... seems to be a rather common occurrance as far as SO's and our hobbies. Let's see... the other two common reactions are the stadard "you are such a goober" eye roll, and the typical "whatever" statement. Of course all three of these can be used together.

"Why can't you just ? Whatever! *eye roll* *walks out of room*"

Gotta love 'em... and I've got a little 15 month old version of her in training right now. Daddy needs a boy for #2!!!

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LOL. Thank god my wife sometimes bring little realism into me in the quest for new technologies..otherwise I would be trying and retuning and trying and burning money..haha.
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Just a correction, I think Zenith 318 new firmware only disables component upconversion output for RCE disks. Therefore, you can still get component upconversion output with non-RCE disks or backup copy with RCE removed.
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re: wife's opinion re: HT equipment...

Hate to inform everyone of this, but you can't win on the other side either. My wife was originally very skeptical of my HDTV and then subsequent (better) DVD player purchases. Mostly along the same lines of "what was wrong with the old picture", etc., etc.

Well now she's upset with me because I have spoiled her so bad with the improved picture, she can't stand watching anything on the old TV and DVD player now used as a spare! You just can't win.
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re: wife's opinion re: HT equipment...
Well now she's upset with me because I have spoiled her so bad with the improved picture, she can't stand watching anything on the old TV and DVD player now used as a spare! You just can't win.

Now you have an excuse to upgrade you spare system as well. I think it's a win-win situation...
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Exactly! I took my wife to CC to show her big TVs...showed her Sammy, Sony GWIII and then my fav, Sony XBR 60'' ...she fell for that one immediately...from 50'', we went to 60'' TV in one day! No convincing needed. No arguments...more expensive..why so big...
cannot wait for Denon 1910 or Momitsu to show up now...1st week of September they should be available...I'm excited now...
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Want to see the definition of "disinterested"? Tell your wife the following:

"But honey, now we can get 'American Chopper' in high def! "

(BTW, the built-in edge definition was on with my Mits, so that reduced some of the grain I had with the 1080i DVI image from the 931. I played with a few more discs, too, and found some where the upconverted picture was very nice, others not so nice. So, while it's not 100% the greatest thing since sliced bread, I guess I'll keep it")
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the trick I found is woman are more interested in visual than audio(some will argue thats the way of us men) but I found when I took my wife shopping for audio, there was no interest aty all. she could care less if it was a 6" dynamic mono speaker audio system. she just does not appreciate it.

when I took her TV shopping, well she was very interested and even picked out the tv she wanted. this was after "we dont need a TV" well she loves the 36" XBR800 and to this day comments once a week how she loves this tv!!!!! she loves that it can do 4:3 and HDTV and she loves the HDTV.

it didnt take much to convice her to buy a projector too. she does think audio is a waste of money but loves the visual..... and they say we are visual beings!
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Totally agree with you Bruman...
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