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Not if its HD it wont.
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When's the 2910 arrive @ stores?

That does it lack vs. the 3910?

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I think one thing some of you are forgetting is that many of these movies you've seen in 4x3, the original prints were done in a mode closer to a 16x9 format. Other than some very early movies, 4x3 was designed to be a television broadcast format, not for movies. In fact many say that that is the way Hollywood wanted it, so there would be no confusion over what you were watching, TV or a Hollywood movie.

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I asked the same thing in another thread and didn't get an answer. i.link'ers, like ourselves, must be rare. :)

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It should, the IEEE1394 interface was upgraded on the existing 5900 so I would imagine that new models coming out would be functional.

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Not if its HD it wont.
Really? How would you display a 4:3 image in a 16:9 format then?
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Lets see a 1958 movie Cat on a hot tin roof is in 1080i 16x9 on hdnet movies. not in 4x3. I agree with keenan 4x3 is not meant for movies. why do you think when you bought a 4x3 movie it says THIS FILM HAS BEEN FORMATED TO FIT THIS SCREEN. because they took it out of its orignal aspect of 16x9.
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I think one thing some of you are forgetting is that many of these movies you've seen in 4x3, the original prints were done in a mode closer to a 16x9 format.
Well, yes and no. Reformatting films shot for widescreen projection for 4:3 TVs has been common practice for decades. These are not the films of concern. Anything intended for widescreen framing will obviously be better suited for 16:9 HDTV presentation. However, don't you forget that virtually every film made before 1953, and many other made between '53 and the very late fifties, were shot in Academy ratio, approximately 1.37:1. That is a long way from HDTV's 1.78:1 ratio and very close to SDTV's 1.33:1 ratio. Reformatting Academy ratio films for 1.78:1 is just as bad as reformatting widescreen films for 1.33:1.
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Well, yes and no.
No arguement there, but the sad fact is those early films, as good as many of there are, simply are not even a fraction of what drives the market place. Plus, we are in a period of transition where until most productions, TV and movies, are made or released in the WS format, we will continue to have this sort of problem. I would guess when the aforementioned movies are released in HD-DVD the pillars will be hard-coded into the data so when it is displayed on a WS it will be seen in the proper ratio.

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Keenan then it would not be a HD DVD.
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Keenan then it would not be a HD DVD.
If the PB's were included when the transfer was made it would be. Just because there is no image in those areas it doesn't mean that your not getting a 1080i or 1080p 16x9 image. Keep in mind that almost every movie made to date was not made in "HD". Widescreen, yes, in fact most if not all recent ones. Your belief that HD-DVD will only encompass HD produced source material will mean excluding almost everything made to date. I'm not sure what your solution would be, are you suggesting that old 4x3 material be stretched and distorted or that it be zoomed with image loss to a 16x9 format? There simply isn't any material in those old 4x3 films with which to re-format to a full 16x9WS image without a loss of part of the image.

Or, I could be completely missing your point, which is entirely possible:p

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Yes you are missing my point. HD is 16x9 there is no other hd that is the native format period. you dont see jay leno in 4x3 hd do you? you dont see csi which in fatc is shot in true hd 4x3 hd? there is no such thing as 4x3 hd and there never will be. hdnet does a good job of transfering old movies into 16x9 hd, you also dont see like somone else mentioned any 4x3 hd dvhs.my point is simple there is not now or will there ever be any 4x3 hd. hd is 16x9 native,
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The reason movies on HDnet and others don't appear in 4:3 is because they zoom in and cut some top and bottom off. This whole ridiculus notion that 4:3 cannot be HD is ludicrous. By the way...there are 4:3 television sets that are HD!!!! How about that. Not that common, but they ARE out there. So can all those people sue for their money back since it isn't TRUE HD? HD is, (by definition) 720p or 1080i. It is USUALLY presented in 16:9 format because that is what the powers that be have decided on. It's just like DVD and EDTV is 480p....Just because most television shows and old movies are 4:3 and put on a disc, they are still DVD and 480p. You can't tell me Gone with the Wind isn't a true DVD because its 4:3. You can't tell me the first season of 6 Feet Under isn't a true DVD because its 4:3...that's just ludicrous (did I already use that word?). I guess the best way to explain it is that definition (ie, 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i) is one thing and aspect ration (4:3, 16:9, other variations) is something completely different. Showtime has HD broadcasts all the time that are 4:3 (granted older movies like past 10 years). The last Chris Rock special on HBO was broadcast on HBO HD, looked brilliant, was in 5.1......but was 4:3. So I kevinca just doesn't get it that's all. HDTV is how sharp and detailed that picture is...not how wide. Like someone said earlier. The 16:9 is still filled up when something is pillar boxed...its just with black, not pretty picture. Aspect ration does not make or break the HDTV definition.

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kevinca1,

I think the 4X3/HD discussion is bogged down in semantics.

What some above are saying, and I would like to see, is old movies being offered on the "HD-DVD" format as 1436 X 1080 interlaced resolution. In other words for 4X3 movie material, put 4X3's horizontal active image pixels, centered, in only about 74.8% of each HD 1920 resolution horizontal line so that the unused remaining portion of HD's 1920 horizontal pixels shows up as black on the right and left of each 4X3 image. This would be presenting 4X3 material via the HD-DVD format in all the resolution possible - much higher resolution than currently avialable for 4X3 via LD and DVD.

I think we can "count" on this happening once HD-DVD becomes popular and everyone begins to ask for "HD type resolution" for all their favorite movies, old and new. ;)

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NOT IN THIS LFE TIME ARE ANY LIFETIME. HD LIKE IT OR NOT IS 16X9 NATIVE PERIOD!!!!!!! SORRY TO BREAK THE NEWS TO YOU BUT ITS A FACT AND THERES NO DISPUTING IT. SO YOU WANT TO SEE JAY LENO IN 4X3 YOU WANT TO WATCH THE NFL IN 4X3 THIS AS FOOL SAYS IS LUDICROUS 4X3 IS DEAD AND WILL NO LONGER EXSIT YOU DONT LIKE IT WRITE THE FCC.
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When's the 2910 arrive @ stores?

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kevinca1,

I think the 4X3/HD discussion is bogged down in semantics.

What some above are saying, and I would like to see, is old movies being offered on the "HD-DVD" format as 1436 X 1080 interlaced resolution. In other words for 4X3 movie material, put 4X3's horizontal active image pixels, centered, in only about 74.8% of each HD 1920 resolution horizontal line so that the unused remaining portion of HD's 1920 horizontal pixels shows up as black on the right and left of each 4X3 image. This would be presenting 4X3 material via the HD-DVD format in all the resolution possible - much higher resolution than currently avialable for 4X3 via LD and DVD.

I think we can "count" on this happening once HD-DVD becomes popular and everyone begins to ask for "HD type resolution" for all their favorite movies, old and new. ;)
This is what I was trying to describe in an earlier post, and I think you're right, in fact I think you could take it to the bank.:)

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Okay, so you are not arguing about movies being transferred to an HD-DVD format. You are talking about HD television?

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kevinca1,

You must have posted your above before you read what I posted above it.

You cannot say that HD-DVD's will not be offered of old movies in the "subset HD resolution" of 1436 X 1080i. I guarantee they will be offered this way.

However, you may have a point in that commercial studios will never broadcast a 4X3 movie for 16X9 screens with black bars on each side, even though you will be able to buy "HD"-DVD's that way.

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There will be no such thing as a hd in 4x3 is what i am saying it is not the native resoultion. that is the fact and there is no dipsuting it the fcc has mandted it by 2006 and 4x3 will die period.
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phil i will gurantee there will be no such thing like i stated earlier cat on hot tin roof a 1958 movie was in 16x9 on hd net.
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Kevin,

If you insist that a 1.33 AR program material (4:3) mapped and presented without horizontal and vertical stretching is NOT and NEVER will be HD....

Then what about a 2.33 AR program being mapped into a 16:9 frame with bars above and below.... is this NOT and NEVER HD??

The presentation being discussed IS 16:9.. it is just padded on the left and right with black or grey bars to keep aspect ratio true to the original. The same would have to be done with todays hollywoood stuff which is 2.33. To fit in a 16:9 frame (1.78 AR) you have to put black or grey bars on the top and bottom to keep the aspect ration correct.

Hollywood is NOT going to conform to 1.78 AR (16:9).

However.. if you insist that HD is ALWAYS 16:9 then there is very little content that meets your criteria.
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There will be no such thing as a hd in 4x3 is what i am saying it is not the native resoultion. that is the fact and there is no dipsuting it the fcc has mandted it by 2006 and 4x3 will die period.
Okay, one last try. What you are talking about is broadcast television, right?

You are not talking about movies being released in the HD-DVD format?

The moniker "HD-DVD" is just a name and has really has nothing to do with broadcast TV.

If the above is not what you are saying, then I have no clue what you are trying to say.

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yes there is little true hd, nfl, baseball nascar, jay jeno, csi. and discovry hd hd net, and csi and everyone loves raymond is true hd.anyhting shot in 16x9 hd camera is hd is what i am saying.
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Kevin,

I absolutely guarantee you that the old masterpieces such as Citizen Kane, The Third Man, The Maltese Falcon, etc., etc., etc., will be available in HD-DVD or Blu-ray in their original "Academy Ratio" of 4:3. No possible way they will crop these to 16:9 or expect people to watch them stretched. Never, never, never. It would be blasphemy.

TV shows shot in 4:3 will be available in their OAR of 4:3.

Basically everything with an OAR of 4:3 will retain that aspect ratio.

I can't believe you won't accept this. It's beginning to sound like sour grapes to me.

In any case, it appears you can't be convinced of this. I just hope I'm around to rub your nose in it when you realize the reality of the situation.
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There will be no such thing as a hd in 4x3 is what i am saying it is not the native resoultion.
since when was 4x3 a resolution? last i heard it was an aspect ratio. two entirely different things as far as i know.

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Thats fine if i am wrong im worng but you can not call those hd is what i am saying.
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4x3 is 480 resolution hd is 1980x1080 16x9
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Obi - what happened to your thread?

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Thats fine if i am wrong im worng but you can not call those hd is what i am saying.
Well...now's a good time to start backpeddling.
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since when was 4x3 a resolution? last i heard it was an aspect ratio. two entirely different things as far as i know.
Yeah, we called him on that a few pages back. ;)
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Like i said above 4x3 has a resolution of 480i and hd which is 1080i has a 16x9 ratio that is what i have been saying and you can not take a 480 signal which is what 4x3 is and call it hd you have to have a aspect ratio of 16x9 at 1080i
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