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post #301 of 623 Old 05-12-2005, 05:47 PM
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What an absolute train wreck this release is. The original press release was in September of 2004! Why is it Yamaha is so cutting edge & prompt with the AVR's, and such a ridiculous joke with DVD players? I was going to wait until it was released before I layed down for the 59AVI. Yamaha missed my boat.

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I'm still waiting for mine. I'll ask my friend who works at Yamaha to check up on it.
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I cancelled my order today. Too many delays. Plus the new Onkyo Sp-1000 I just received yesterday is very nice.
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Maybe they're stalling to add Blu-ray . They're almost there...
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Why is it Yamaha is so cutting edge & prompt with the AVR's, and such a ridiculous joke with DVD players?

I think because they make their own receivers, but for DVD players, they take some other basic machine and add to it. I.e., the 2300 was a Panasonic player that Yamaha (or *someone*) added SACD to. And the 1500 is a Philips-based player. So maybe because it's not an all in-house design, or maybe that part of the company isn't as well managed as the receiver part, or ... I agree though, they do make some fine receivers.

If it's not worth waiting until the last minute to do, then it's not worth doing.

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FWIW, i've got it in my hands as i type this. Unfortunately, I probably won't be getting a chance to hook it up until tomorrow evening.
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MrSandman,

May I ask how much you paid for it?
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Cheap. I have a friend who works for Yamaha.
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I'd think it was below $5/600, to be called cheap, as DV 59avi is already at high $600 range.
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Trust me. I looked for similar alternatives but just couldn't find any at the price i got it for. Why else would i wait 6 months for a DVD player? Plus, I'd rather not divulge that information since i do not know what Yamaha's policy is on such. (Hint...lower)
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I sent you a pm, Mr Sandman! thnx
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I hope to see some reviews of this player soon now that they are hitting the market. I wonder how it will stand up in the benchmark tests? One would think that the 6 month delay in release that Yamaha would have perfected the player by now.

For those that get these, please report your reviews.

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My review: It works. I just hooked it up and watched some of the Incredibles, and IRobot and LOTR. Clean picture and excellent audio. Definitely a step up from what i had before. I don't really have much to compare it against except for a 5-year old Pioneer DVD changer which wasn't even progressive scan. If there is anything you guys want me to try out and report back on, LMK.
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Dude!! Send it to me, I'll check it out for you..LoL
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MrSandman,

I wonder if you tried its i.link output. Have you?
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Just got the 2500 hooked up tonight. Had some trouble and not sure all is right yet. I do have discreet sound out of all speakers using the firewire connection but it sas "multi channel??? Is this true Hi res sound?

My menu is also screwed up. It only appears when using analog PCM. I think I somehow must change the input.

I plan on experimenting more thisweekend as time permits.

I'll post back.

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Originally posted by MrSandman
My review: It works. .... If there is anything you guys want me to try out and report back on, LMK.

There's one thing I really would like to know: how does the DVD-S2500 perform in relation to the infamous "green depression", when connected HDMI to HDMI and upconverting to 720p/1080i?

Does it correctly transcodes Rec 601 YCbCr values to Rec 709 YCbCr values to avoid color errors?
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There's one thing I really would like to know: how does the DVD-S2500 perform in relation to the infamous "green depression", when connected HDMI to HDMI and upconverting to 720p/1080i?

Does it correctly transcodes Rec 601 YCbCr values to Rec 709 YCbCr values to avoid color errors?

Unfortunately i don't have it hooked up via HDMI. I'm just using component cables. Plus, my Panny plasma only has DVI inputs.
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You could go HDMI to DVI.

If it's not worth waiting until the last minute to do, then it's not worth doing.

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You could go HDMI to DVI.

Yeah, i thought about that, but from what i've read on here, most people didn't see a noticeable difference between DVI and component. Plus, my AV receiver RX-V2500 doesn't have HDMI or DVI and i've decided to route everything through that. I suppose i could run the DVD directly to the plasma and then program a macro on the remote, but i'm not convinced it would improve things much better.
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I got two units in at work in the last couple of days, but both walked out the door before I could put one out for demo. My distributor tells me Yamaha's first shipment did not even cover all backorders. I am not supposed to see another one for at least a couple more weeks. If I can keep a unit long enough to bring it home, I'll hook it up to my system and compare it to my 3910 using both component and HDMI.
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...If I can keep a unit long enough to bring it home, I'll hook it up to my system and compare it to my 3910 using both component and HDMI.

When you do that, could you please check it out for "green depression"?
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Okay, I've been a little busy to read every post on this lately. Someone explain "green depression".
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Okay, I've been a little busy to read every post on this lately. Someone explain "green depression".

OK, I'll give it a try.

As you know an HDMI connection between 2 HDMI devices (let's say a DVD player and a projector) carries video as YCbCr. If this YCbCr is SD video, then it follows Rec 601. On the other hand, HD video has its YCbCr coded using Rec 709.

Usually display devices correctly identify 720p / 1080i incoming signals at their HDMI inputs as "HD signals", therefore they decode these signals using "Rec 709". This creates a problem for upconverting players unless, in addition to upconverting SD to 720p / 1080i, they also "transcode" Rec 601 YCbCr values to Rec 709 YCbCr values.

If the player doesn't transcode Rec 601 to Rec 709 when upconverting through an HDMI connection, this mismatch (player sending Rec 601 YCbCr and display assuming Rec 709 YCbCr) produces color errors, and the most noticiable one is "depressed" greens.

So the key to the puzzle would be to know if this player correctly transcodes colors as part of the upconversion process, when connected HDMI to HDMI.
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I just got this player today. I am going to do a side by side comparison with the Yammy 2300MKII, Onkyo 1000, Oppo and Denon 3910 in the next couple of days. So far my initial impressions are:

1. Its built well. Not as good as the Onkyo or Denon but it is half the price.
2. It has a ton of features in the menu. Far more then the other four.
3. It works with the 50ft HDMI cable I have which the Denon does not. Everything else does.
4. The picture is not bad. I just put StarWar Ep. II in for a few minutes but it does look good. I do belive it has a green push though. No MB on by display at all(Panny PTAE700).

Right now off the top of my head I would have to say it is not as good as the Onkyo or Denon, but it does have a lot of features that will allow you to do pretty much anything you want to the picture.
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Carbo (and Obi),
Can you guys run it through some audio hurdles...good hi-rez stuff via analog outs vs I-link? Compare it in either/both mode to the 3910? Thx,
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Any requests/suggestions for the audio?
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Any requests/suggestions for the audio?

Beck - Sea Change (mch SACD or DVD-A)
Peter Gabriel - UP (mch SACD)
Bucky Pizzareli- Swing Live (Chesky mch DVD-A)
Anything on the AIX label (mch DVD-A)
Any RCA Living Stereo classical release, especially Scheherezade or Pictures at an Exhibition (3 channel SACD)
Stones - Beggars Banquet (stereo SACD)

Anything ya got... We're easy....

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If this player pushes green like the 318 It'll be a bust good audio or not. Perhaps it is the green that is associated with Denon compared next to a Pioneer or Onkyo. Proper calibration should correct this.

BTW, Joe Satriani, Strange Beautiful Music is a stellar SACD plus what Ted said. I 2nd AIX anything.
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I just got my S2500 the other night. I have a handful of hi-rez titles (SACD & DVD-A) and the player has run into some difficulty with a couple of them. The first is Queen The Game on DVD-A. When I choose the DVD-A surround function, the only sound that comes out is the center channel, mainly Freddie's vocals and a little Brian May guitar. It is kinda cool just to hear Freddie's vocals isolated in hi-rez, but it would be nice to hear the rest of the music too. When I play other DVD-A's like Sting Brand New Day or Seal IV, this problem is not present. The other disc the player has issues with is Sting Sacred Love on SACD. This disc does not even read and the player spits it out. I was successful with other SACD's like The Police The Classics Multi-channel, Billy Joel The Stranger Multi and Allison Krauss Forget About It Stereo SACD. The discs that do work sound excellent on my Ascend 340C and 340 Mains. The S2500 is connected to my Pioneer Elite 43tx via analog inputs (no iLink on the 43tx). I think my next upgrade may have to be a firewire receiver while I wait for 1080p and the prices to go down a little more on display devices. Has anyone else run into reading problems with other hi-rez discs with their S2500?

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