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http://www.audioholics.com/cedia/ced...hadvds2500.php

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Just what I was looking for (Faroudja, upscaling over HDMI, universal player). Should give Denon a run for its $. Doesn't state price, but I read elswhere it might be less than the S2300, which lists for $999.
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I'm just wondering how long it will be before you can actually get one. It's only taken them 8 months to (apparently) start shipping the S1500.
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That is a sweet looking player! Reminds me of a DV59-AVi with Dcdi.
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So it won't have upconvert over DVI?

I sssume one would have to get a HDMI to dvi cable..Does it exist or will this player upconvert via DVI and HDMI?

This unit should give the Denon 3910 a run for its money.
Then again I wonder how well this Yamaha dvd player will fair in the secrets shootout...

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Lol Q. Sept 2005 release for sure
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Then again I wonder how well this Yamaha dvd player will fair in the secrets shootout...

It's got Faroudja DCDI I would think they would be similar. The layer change 8mb buffer in the Denon might push a few people over the edge. I can't imagine they'd lower the price of the 2500 to below the 2300 but if so I can get a decent price locally on one(the 2300) so Im sure I could get the same deal on the 2500 if I go that route..if it ever comes out...
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So it won't have upconvert over DVI?

I sssume one would have to get a HDMI to dvi cable..Does it exist or will this player upconvert via DVI and HDMI?

Yes, you can get an HDMI to DVI cable, or an HDMI/DVI adapter. The player does not have a place to plug in a DVI cable, only an HDMI cable.
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Nobody with DVI is left out with HDMI. You can go

PLAYER -HDMI-DVI--------------------DVI-DISPLAY

or

PLAYER-DVI-HDMI---------------------HDMI-DISPLAY

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I knew it!

Marantz 8400 -> 9500
Denon 2900/5900 -> 3910
Pioneer 47Ai -> 59AVi
Onkyo and Integra too

And now Yamaha. Won't make decisions for some of us for our next player any easier...

If it's not worth waiting until the last minute to do, then it's not worth doing.

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I'm probably down to the D 3910 and the Y S2500 (unless somehow the Samsung 941 surprises all of us). The Marantz/Onkyo/Integra are too much more $$ than the Denon or Yamaha. I plan on buying at Tweeter when they have their fall sale for preferred customers (usually mid-November). By then, most of these will be out so the decision should be easier as many report back on them. I only hope the Yamaha is out by then.
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Bill- I'll actually agree with you. What could decide me is the layer change delay. Denons typically have none, while the 2300 did. And since the 3910 is out now too... I'm just waiting for more confirmation that macroblocking is gone.

If it's not worth waiting until the last minute to do, then it's not worth doing.

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I wonder what the new Yammy is based on. IIRC the 2300 was based on the same Panny RP82 video seciton (also Denon DVD1600 was the same video section); now that RP82 is out of production I would assume this will be a completely different model.

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The MSRP for Yamaha is $ 749.00. This will give Denon & Pioneer a run for its money especially having i-link, HDMI & DCDi at that price provided Yamaha brings it out on time.

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Is there a release date for this player?
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The MSRP for Yamaha is $ 749.00.

Holy Moly! That's a lot of machine for MSRP $750! Street will be around $600 - 625 I'm thinking. Damn straight it will give the 59Avi & 3910 a run for the money!

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Another member and I have been exchanging PM's about players and he went to CEDIA. They told him December release period. I'll contact my dealer on Tuesday. SInce I really ike what Yammy did with their LCD FP, the LPX-510, I have high hopes for this player.

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anyone awared that this new Yamaha seems "look" like the Philips 963SA, but now added with HDMI, iLink, plus "released" the restriction of its Faroudja upscaling function ?

Front-view & remote :-




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I for one do not see much similarities between Philips & Yamaha. For starters the IEC inlet & component video outputs are at opposite ends.

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Holy Moly! That's a lot of machine for MSRP $750! Street will be around $600 - 625 I'm thinking. Damn straight it will give the 59Avi & 3910 a run for the money

A year from now, when it finally does hit the street (Yamaha's track record), the 59avi and 3910 will be selling for <$500.

"Scheduled" release date is February.


That Philips/Yamaha comparison is just too funny.
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It looks damn good on paper. Looking at the back panel, it's made by Success Bright Industries in China. I wonder who else they make players for. Could this player be based on a Pioneer DV-59AVI?

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I spoke to my Yammy dealer yesterday. In lieu of this unit, the s2300's MSRP has been lowered to $699, I believe. He would sell me a mark 2 for $650 right now if I want it.

He says this unit probably isn't hitting the streets until 1st quarter of 05. Feb. 05 is probably a reasonable first guess...until Yamaha delays this again, like the s1500 was delayed several times at least.

Funny: My Yammy dealer also made some kind of sideways mention about shared technology between a lot of these companies. He also drew the Phillips name up in regards to that.

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Looking at the back panel, it's made by Success Bright Industries in China

That is the PHILIPS factory. Same as the S1500.
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Will this unit be HDCP compliant. I have a Yamaha LPX500 which is not HDCP, will it upconvert with this player. Thanks

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I think they all have to be HDCP compliant these days. I wouldn't worry about it.

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Will this unit be able to upconvert a regular purchased dvd to 720p? Thanks the help.

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^^ That's the real trick, isn't it?

I'm tempted to say yes to you, with Yamaha winking at you the entire time while they put down some language in their manual that satisifies certain laws. I am certain you will NOT be able to upconvert via component video.

What troubles me about this unit is that they were very generous on all connections except...no DVI? I guess you can buy a DVi-HDMI cable and be just fine. As long as you do that, you should be able to upconvert anything you own without question.

People run into trouble upconverting via component only due to a stupid law that companies have had to dance around. You're home free if you stick with HDMI on this unit.


The one thing that really stands out to me and makes me really take pause to consider this unit is the following:
"Other new video enhancements include a new high-performance video DAC (216MHz/12-bit) " Holy smokes!

Up and down, the MSRP is amazing for a unit that offers all this. I just don't know if I can wait until January. C'mon Yamaha! If I thought this unit was coming out in the next couple of months, I'd wait easily and set a pre-order with my Yammy dealer right now. I may yet wait, but... geez...

One thing that surprises me is, ironically, given that this is Yamaha, I don't see much information about the audio components used, just the video DAC's and so forth.

Anyone know if there's any specific audio information about this unit out yet? I'd like to compare its audio DACS and so forth to the competition.

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5 disc carousel versions of the Yamaha? One is needed.
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How would I be restricted by purchasing this Yamaha 2500 DVD Player, if I could play purchased DVD'S and have them upgraded to 720P? What would be the big reason for not purchasing it because I have a NON HDCP Projector, that has DVI and could be adapted HDMI. Wish I understood this! Would I be restricted on material that I copied only? Wish I understood this better. Also, does sound come into play? Thanks Again.

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I think I misread you, friend. Let me take it from the top.

If you have a non HDCP projector, and some others feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, you run the chances of having incompatibility issues with most mainstream brands because, by law, they are going to be HDCP, especially DVI and HDMI. It may not even function at all.

Any big name, mainstream company is going to put out hardware that is HDCP compliant. They have to by law and that's what they will stick to.

People that own non HDCP hardware are going to be very limited in their choices of hardware that's even going to function properly. Again, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

The other side of it is: I can just about gurantee you that the s2500, like just about anything else that's going to be coming out from this day forward, will NOT allow ANY upconversion over component video, again due to that stupid law. So you're only option for upconverting with this player will be the HDCP HDMI output on this machine. Period. And you can thank that stupid law for these kinds of restrictions.

Not trying to panic you or anything, but you may as well be aware of this now before you commit big dollars to a machine and then find out the hard way.

And yes, a 5 disc carousel would be nice, but personally, I find single disc players to be more durable and better made. It's worth it to me to get off my lazy bum once in a while and change discs. My $0.02.

Again, if I'm wrong on any of this, I look forward to being corrected, but this is how I understand the marketplace as of now.

As best I can see it, starting from this time period forward, component upconversion is a thing of the past. And that's a real shame.

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