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When generating my own HD tests at around 3.5Mbps, the resulting encodes looked excellent. And at this bit rate you can store over 2 hours of material on a single sided, single layered DVD~R/RW... which I think is ideal.

You can get nearly 5 mb/s (video + audio) on a 2 hour single layer DVD.

But in my case with 30 fps, even 5 mb/s WM9 is on the margin for hi-def, 8 mb/s is starting to get good, and 9.2 mb/s is where the encode becomes virtually indistinguishable from the source.

Remember, the WM9 720p trailers are only 24 fps. They can succeed with a lower bit rate than 30 fps video.
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How does this thing handle subtitles? Do they need to be muxed into the avi? Burned into the image? Seperate ssa or srt file?

You can't mux subs into avi (well, you can mux ssa and perhaps other formats into avi with avimux, but not many software players support that). In theory it should be able to play avi+external subs (*.sub and perhaps *.srt). TUFU tested some of these streams (I will send him a few other ones), but the subs didn't show up. Perhaps he can send a mail to these iodata guys, asking about this ...
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1. The WM9 file I made was 1280x720 which was transcoded from a 720p
HD TS film with HT MPEGENCODER 7.0 choosing "windows media codec 9".

2. Hi Kermee,I had connected AVLP2's analog stereo sound output to test
the file without sound. The result is still no sound.

3.I also was told that I-O DATA in Japan are going to release a new firmware in the end of November which will support WMA PRO. I don't know
whether WMT DRM will also be included. I hope so.

4.Regarding the issue of subtitle, I had got one responsefrom here

http://forums.divx.com/viewtopic.php...61648&forum=21
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Has anybody got a reply regarding the DVI output of DVD-V?
I am very exited about this device.
It has everything I want. But the DVI issue is a showstopper for me.
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What's the latest on being able to play "store-bought" DVDs w/ Macrovision, etc., at HD resoultions?

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Compared to the Momitsu V880N, how is this better?
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Noticed that IO Data is showing this unit is now in stock in the US. Hope we get a few more 'testers' out there.
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Originally posted by dschamis
Compared to the Momitsu V880N, how is this better?

The Momitsu upconverts regular video (DVDs and such), but I don't believe it supports playback of HD video such as Divx-HD and WMV-HD. That is the main difference, though this difference isn't so significant to some people due to the short supply of commercial video that uses either of these HD schemes. I already have an upconverting DVD player and would like to replace it with a player that does the same and adds networking and HD playback of some sort. It looks like this IO Data player is shaping up to be that replacement, but I may be looking at the Momitsu player more if they don't fix some of the bugs that I consider significant by the time they launch the DVI version in the U.S. We'll see.

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Originally posted by lowmazda
Noticed that IO Data is showing this unit is now in stock in the US. Hope we get a few more 'testers' out there.

Just checked my online order status...order date 11/02/04

- not shipped -
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Originally posted by Tom Roper
Some of you asking questions will find the answers if you read the thread.


Tom - I realize this, and I know it is seen as obnoxious to the people who have been following this day-to-day, but sometimes it is much more efficient, when you have a very specific question, to just post it and look for a quick reponse.

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Originally posted by Busybusy
IO data player WILL NOT allow playing back DVD movies from DVI, and if Macrovision is on, then there will be no 720P/1080i from the D4 connector. Regardless of Sigma Chip's capability, it's each manufacturer's decision to follow DVD Forum/Macrovision's requirements.

The DVI output is not HDCP because playing back movies/Divx from HD/PC who cares about HDCP?

This is very, very clearly stated and my biggest reservation.


Does this mean that we can't get 1080i/720p from any store-bought DVDs, regardless of whether we use DVI or component?
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Originally posted by dschamis
Does this mean that we can't get 1080i/720p from any store-bought DVDs, regardless of whether we use DVI or component?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you can get upconverted 1080i or 720p DVD-V from the analog component output but not the DVI output.

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Originally posted by gtrogue
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you can get upconverted 1080i or 720p DVD-V from the analog component output but not the DVI output.

TUFU mentioned on page 6 of this thread that:

"The DVD-VIDEO in DVD-ROM can only output from component , S or composite NOT DVI. But,DVD-VIDEO in DVD-ROM can toggle between 480p,720p,1080i in my projector Mitsubishi D1208 which was HDCP comliable"

TUFU, can you please confirm this? Do commercial DVDs (with macrovision) play AS IS via component output from the player's DVD-ROM drive at upconverted HD resolutions?

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I asked this question via email to I-O Data and this is the response I received. This seems to conflict with what TUFU has reported. But even the response I received below seems conflicting. For my needs, I really need to know if this player does upconvert store bought DVDs (or DVD back-up copies).

Dear Michael,

I have some feedback from our engineer.

> when I play a DVD movie disc if the player will upconvert through
> component jacks from 480p to 720p and 1080i

Our LinkPlayer doesn't have such a function unfortunately.

Therefore, if you just enjoy 480p DVD playback on HD TV. Basically 480p source is 480p source.

Our LinkPlayer is providing the best 480p / 720p / 1080i by
each video quality with some digital tuning (4tapInterpolation and
others).
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The language difference makes any answers you get hard to decipher from these guys.
Perhaps your question confused them. Standard NTSC DVD-Video discs do not contain 480p video.

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I think it's pretty clear from TUFU and I-O Data:

1.) The U.S. spec player doesn't have DVI.
2.) Store-bought (encrypted) DVDs will not up-convert.
3.) Decrypted DVDs will up-convert to 720p/1080i.

Go elsewhere for mainstream upconverting DVD players.
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Originally posted by Tom Roper
I think it's pretty clear from TUFU and I-O Data:

1.) The U.S. spec player doesn't have DVI.
2.) Store-bought (encrypted) DVDs will not up-convert.
3.) Decrypted DVDs will up-convert to 720p/1080i.

Go elsewhere for mainstream upconverting DVD players.

TUFU - can you confirm Tom's conclusions (except, of course, the first one - we already know that the U.S. will see 2 versions of this player and that one of them will have DVI and wireless LAN support as the Japanese version does)? I thought one of your posts implied that store-bought DVDs do upconvert via component output.

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My unit shipped!!!!!!!!

Just got email confirmation....Fed Ex 2nd day

Should have it Friday (fingers crossed)
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Originally posted by gtrogue
....Standard NTSC DVD-Video disc's do not contain 480p video.

Yes they do!

Both PAL and NTSC DVD's can store video "progressively"


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@TUFU,

Two more samples (with *internal* subtitles, muxed with avimux):

1) XviD+ac3+srt
http://www.geocities.com/wilbertdijkhof/avi_ac3_srt.avi

2) XviD+ac3+ssa
http://www.geocities.com/wilbertdijkhof/avi_ac3_ssa.avi
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Originally posted by Tom Roper
I think it's pretty clear from TUFU and I-O Data:

1.) The U.S. spec player doesn't have DVI.
2.) Store-bought (encrypted) DVDs will not up-convert.
3.) Decrypted DVDs will up-convert to 720p/1080i.

Go elsewhere for mainstream upconverting DVD players.


That's all I need to hear - I just pulled the trigger on the Momitsu V880N - I love being a guinea pig as much as the next guy, but not being able to up-convert store-bought DVDs is more than I feel like handling right now.

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Hi Wilbert,

Something's wrong Captain. All I get is this: -




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Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Yes they do!

Both PAL and NTSC DVD's can store video "progressively"


Cheers

I've never bought a commercially available DVD that had "progressive" video on it.

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Originally posted by gtrogue
I've never bought a commercially available DVD that had "progressive" video on it.

Me neither. I don't even know of any DVDs that have 480p programmed onto it, though I guess it is possible to do so.

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Originally posted by gtrogue
I've never bought a commercially available DVD that had "progressive" video on it.

They are rare in U.S.

They do exist.
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On the subtitle front.
Here's what I got from I-O Data:

"Thank you for the message.

Our LinkPlayer supports:
1. DVD movie subtitle
2. DivX subtitles (SRT, BMP, and others)

Thanks."

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Isn't there an edition of Digital Video Essentials that has true progressive scan video on it. I seem to remember some talk about this in regards to DVE.

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Originally posted by gtrogue
I've never bought a commercially available DVD that had "progressive" video on it.

You've got to be kidding....

Most if not all commercially released "movie" DVD's are progressive!

They are of course all a released within an 720x480 or 720x576 anamorphic frame.

Why do you think we have stand-alone players that are labelled as having "progressive output"?


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Originally posted by gtrogue
Isn't there an edition of Digital Video Essentials that has true progressive scan video on it. I seem to remember some talk about this in regards to DVE.

Right you are! This fact is mentioned on the Secret Benchmark for Home Theater website also...
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SeeMoreDigital, you're kidding, right?

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