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post #811 of 4322 Old 11-06-2004, 09:02 PM
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Hmm I didn't think of mpeg4 in that way. I thought thought that DivX and Xvid are completely differnet formats and the same with MPEG 4.

My S97 is on back order and I'm the first to be on the next batch which comes in from Onecall.
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Aww that's so curel!! j/k!! lol!!
I'll have to try it when I get my unit when it arrives.

What is the trick and what does it attempt to do?
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S97 REPORT

Panasonic S97 HDMI-HDMI
Panasonix 53x54 Widesceen RPTV
Coax connection to Yamaha HTR 5150
PSB Speaker System
Discs used: DVE, Star Wars Trilogy, Lord of the Rings Trilogy, Monsters Inc., Matrix Reloaded, Day After Tomorrow.

I will say that this player outperforms the Denon 1910 in both video and audio performance by a wide margin. The MB is frustrating, but I was able to reduce it to "acceptable" levels after half a day of fine tuning and testing. While I found it unacceptable on the Denon, the added picture and sound quality on the S97 made the MB negotiable for me.

These were my final settings:

1080i (480p shows no MB but obviously has a softer, less detailed picture, I have no 720 on my RPTV).

HDMI Colorspace -- RGB (Switching from 4:4:4: Colorspace to RGB made the biggest difference in reducing MB).

DNR off (DNR softened the picture and didn't improve MB at all on my set).

User setting 1 AV Enhancer User 1
Black Level - lighter (switching between this and darker, didn't do much)
HDMI RGB Range -- enhanced (really helped MB)

Hope this helps some of you RPTV people.
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Hi,

Just purchased the dvd-s97 yesterday. Does anyone know how to make this player correctly play 4:3 DVDs? I've tried setting the picture mode/zoom to AUTO but it still stretches the image on my pioneer 1110hd plasma.

I used to have a Denon 1910 but returned it because it couldn't play 4:3 dvds correctly over HDMI. I hope it's not the same problem with the Panny.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!
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Hi,

Just purchased the dvd-s97 yesterday. Does anyone know how to make this player correctly play 4:3 DVDs? I've tried setting the picture mode/zoom to AUTO but it still stretches the image on my pioneer 1110hd plasma.

I used to have a Denon 1910 but returned it because it couldn't play 4:3 dvds correctly over HDMI. I hope it's not the same problem with the Panny.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Try putting the the player setting on 'normal' if I remember, and use the aspect ratio adjustment on your display, That worked for me on my AE500 PJ
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klepoy,

See page 15 of the manual:

Display menu: "4:3 Aspect" should be "Normal".

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What is the trick and what does it attempt to do?

Is to see if the unit has a hidden password window. There is another part after but as long as it's not confirmed I won't say it will be true for this unit.
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There should be a significant difference because the those players are using Panasonic's all-in-one chipset which is inferor to that using dedicated chips such as the S97 and 2002 Faroudja based units.

Did you also try S97 using component to see how it does?

I've tried the DVD-S75(aka DVD-S55 for North America), and it was very horrible. The colors didn't quite look well and I saw jaggies in my anime(CG based) on diagonals(very obvious ones)!!

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I don't think you're gonna get the "WOW" factor 'til HD or 1080P comes along. You don't think 20-25% is significant?

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Originally posted by AkaStp
Is it possible that my Sammy 50" DLP does pretty much the same job converting 480p via component from the F87 to the TV's native 720p as the S97 outputs at 720p?

When you use component out of the DVD player there is a conversion to analog. The TV must convert back to digital. That's all extra and error prone. You don't say anything about actual PQ issues.

Is there a difference in details or color when the scene is dark?

What about banding when there is a large area of gradually changing color?

What about skin tone?

If you uses specific scenes that illustrate situations that cause trouble you have a better chance of telling if there are differences.

Also, the Samsung DLP user settings can over-ride differences in PQ between DVD players. What user settings are you using and which model (HLM, HLN, HLP) TV set do you have?

Personally I think 20% - 25% improvement can be significant.
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Originally posted by Sango
Is to see if the unit has a hidden password window. There is another part after but as long as it's not confirmed I won't say it will be true for this unit.

Sango, if you PM me the information, I'll check for you.

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After calibrating my S97, I have enjoyed several days of rediscovering many of my DVDs. I use a projector setup which makes it easier for me to see the picture improvements when it's 8-feet wide.

I have played the Star Wars DVD s many times and do not see MB. I use an HDMI cable and a HMDI-DVI adapter. The color space is always RGB.

I have a "tube" HDTV too, but you can't see as many of the improvements there. The quality of the upscaling and the colors are much improved over my D1 or the HTPC. I, for one, consider this unit a bargain! I have not fired up my HTPC in a week.

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Originally posted by Sango
Is to see if the unit has a hidden password window. There is another part after but as long as it's not confirmed I won't say it will be true for this unit.

for making it region-free? if not, what shall the secret password potentially allow access to?
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mallu2u,

Yup you got the idea, both region/macrovision free but without the SVC Disc #2 which is the part after, it cannot be confirmed.
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Yup you got the idea, both region/macrovision free but without the SVC Disc #2 which is the part after, it cannot be confirmed.

Sango: Then send the info to Rich4av fast. He is willing to give it a shot
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Didn't work!! I'll have to see if I can find a way when I get the unit.
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I count on you for that !

Gimme a new firmware or some funky theory so I can run DVE one more time !
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Is this following picture an example of macroblocking?



Note: the blue background is actually black because my digital camera in some ways make blacks into blues. The screenshot is from "The Passion of the Christ" before the ending credits.
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AkaStp, our settings will be relative to our displays, so they may not be of much use. Note that the S97 allows you to store 3 User settings.

For me, Contrast = 0, Brightness = 0 or +1 (depending on movie), color = -1, sharpness = +2, gamma = 0 to +5 (on darker movies).

After I calibrated my projector, the picture detail and color are just amazing. I also have been watching older DVDs

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Regarding that posted picture - I see that kind of thing occasionally on my Momitsu. If that is as bad as it gets maybe I should just order this Panasonic.
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Originally posted by Rich4av
For me, Contrast = 0, Brightness = 0 or +1 (depending on movie), color = -1, sharpness = +2, gamma = 0 to +5 (on darker movies).

Does the S97 offer all of these adjustments over the HDMI output? I assume yes.

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Originally posted by megamii
Is this following picture an example of macroblocking?

Note: the blue background is actually black because my digital camera in some ways make blacks into blues. The screenshot is from "The Passion of the Christ" before the ending credits.

(picture edited out)

megamii,

I don't have the movie, but I think that is what is being seen in the picture. It could just as easily be the transfer. Again, my picture of the macroblocking is "brightness enhanced".

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Bytehoven,

Yes, these adjustments are available via HDMI.

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My settings:

Contrast = 0, Brightness = +1, Sharpness = -1, Color = 0, Tint = 0, Gamma = 0.
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Originally posted by AkaStp
My Samsung HD TV is a HLM507, two years old.

I did not notice any improvement from the S97 at 480p over component vs. the F87 at 480p over component.

I didn't mention PQ issues because I didn't really notice any. I have followed many of the threads and descriptions and discussions of macroblocking and other issues but I didn't notice anything like that, not even on Finding Nemo. Nothing jumped out as unusual or unacceptable. Maybe I need to sit closer to the display and look harder to try and find the problems.

I used 20-25% to try and convey that there is some improvement over the F87's PQ, but not a lot. I.e. it is hardly noticeable TO ME. But, no, I don't consider 20-25% to be a very significant improvement. To be honest, I expected a lot more out of a $300 DVD player but, as others have stated here and elsewhere, there are limits to what can be extracted out of existing DVD material. Someone, somewhere in this forum, made the statement that you can't get gold from coal.

Believe me, I keep looking hard to try and find the improvements because (a) it is a much more expensive player and (b) many of you have said that the PQ should be much better than run-of-the-mill non-upconverting players and (c) I'm trying to find reasons to justify keeping it over my 60-day old F87 which, unfortunately, I'm outside of the return period for. Upon reflection, I should not have bought the F87 with the S97 on the horizon and, if I had not, I would have no hesitation to keep the S97. Anyone want a barely used (<60 days) old F87?

But, there is another issue I'm wrestling with. As my TV has just the one DVI input I had to disconnect my Sammy 360 D* HDTV receiver to use it for the S97. In order to dedicate that DVI input to the S97 I have to use component or RGB for the HDTV receiver but am not as happy with the resulting PQ over component or RGB vs. DVI. I find that the difference in PQ for the HDTV receiver between DVI and component or RGB to be much more noticeable than for the S97 over DVI relative to the F87 over component. I really don't want to spend $200-300 on a switch and the necessary extra cables and adapters. So, it seems to me, that the best use of my TV's DVI input is for HDTV receiver. It seems rather pointless to use the S97 at 480p over component.

As I've mentioned earlier, I am not a videophile. I have not even fully calibrated my kit yet. I'm just looking at overall PQ from a purely subjective standpoint. This is just one person's opinion presented for what is worth. Your experience may be totally different. You know what you are looking for.

AkaStp,

Have you not noticed the horrible chroma bug problem on your F87? That alone kills it for me and there is really no comparison. I have an F85 that has it as well...it is very noticeable to me, especially on any animated films. The S97 apparently does not have this problem, that's why I am actually very interested in finding out exactly what they did in the new MPEG decoder over the XP30/50/RP82. The F87 (and F85) uses MEI's all-in-one bargain MPEG decoder that has various problems, unlike the "near-perfect" RP-82/XP-30/50 from 2 years ago.

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Guys: Ordered the player from JR on Friday. Will get by middle of next week but got a good price on it. PM me if you need details (as we are not allowed to discuss prices here).
Also, please post your settings for the player, esp if you have a RPTV. I have a Sony XBR 60'' and am looking forward to setting it up right with this player.
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I guess I should go through the player tonight and post my settings (at least the ones changed from default).

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I guess I should go through the player tonight and post my settings (at least the ones changed from default).

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Thanks Paul! Much, much appreciated.

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Hi All,

Just purchased one from J&R.
Have been very impressed by the efforts thus far to evaluate the video aspects of the player. It seems to approach state of the art in this regard.
What I am curious about, and have not seen mentioned, is anyone's opinion regarding the audio output of the player.
I hope to use it via HDMI to SA-XR70(if it ever ships), so I am not that concerned regarding its D-A performance.
I don't know if anyone has had a chance to compare it's digital output with either 2 channel or DTS/DD from players regarded to have quality audio sections such as the current crop of denons, or for that matter a comparision to a dedicated CD player (do these still exist?).
Regarding enhanced playback, don't know if anyone has listened to DVD-A discs or HDCD with the unit.

Many thanks in advance,

Michael Sabadish
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Originally posted by Bytehoven
Does the S97 offer all of these adjustments over the HDMI output? I assume yes.
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Yes, it does. The PQ on the HT1000 (which you also own) is amazing at 720p. I do not see any MB.

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